Yeah, I think several of you mis understood my comments. We all shoot b/c we enjoy shooting. Just like golfers play golf b/c they love it. But why does a golfer enter into golf tournaments? Simply b/c he like to play? Nah, if that was it, he would grab a 6 pack and join his buddies for a round. He joins a tournament to compete against others. But that is why you have various levels of play in pretty much any sport. There are classifications based on skill level. That's what i was saying. Determine parameters around what an "amateur" is and make that a classification. Let Amateurs compete against similar skill shooters so they can duke it out match to match. Your telling me that you go to a match and don't look at the end of the match to see where you fell in the line up compared to everyone else. Of course you did. If you were not interested in competing, you would stay at your home range and simply shoot targets. I am just saying, If guys who really want to compete come out match after match and never have a chance to compete for 1st place, then what are you competing for?