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[Doc68]

So what's everyone's breaking point. Our forefathers got pissed at the high tax and no representation.

We are at this point once again. So when is everyone gonna say fuck the system and finally hit the reset button.

Seriously, when are we finally going to stand up for ourselves and say enough is enough.

Not asking for a friend.....


Doc

 

[Matches Malone]

 

[Makinchips208]

Im ready to throw stuff overboard, burn things, and call it a party. Name the time and place and ill be there with my band of swashbuckling pirates.

 

[Doc68]

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No, actually this is a quite serious question.

Why do we allow the corruption, why do we allow not being heard or represented. Why do we allow the two tiered justice system.

Have we all just become too comfortable at this point.

I mean this is what the 2nd was written for, but yet here we are.

We have honestly exhausted all other options. The ballot box didn't work, the soapbox doesn't work......

Doc

 

[louu]

I would totally help you but I gotta go to work, coach little league, help the kids with homework, bang the old lady, paint the house, cut the grass, grill meat, be the match director for Quinton Sportsmans club uspsa, run my small business, open the pool, build more props for uspsa...

 

[ggmanning]

Action will never be taken as long as people are pacified and have their version of comfort. I doubt change ever occurs unless it is helped by natural or man made disaster that seriously alters life.

 

[Matches Malone]

No, actually this is a quite serious question.

Why do we allow the corruption, why do we allow not being heard or represented. Why do we allow the two tiered justice system.

Have we all just become too comfortable at this point.

I mean this is what the 2nd was written for, but yet here we are.

We have honestly exhausted all other options. The ballot box didn't work, the soapbox doesn't work......

Doc

Because the amount of control you would need to have is more complex than you think.
You can’t just do a thing. You’ll be labeled a domestic terrorist. You’ll be taken away and thrown in a black hole somewhere, assuming you’re not killed doing whatever it is you want others to do.

You need organization. Order. Leadership. Clear and effective objectives to make progress towards a defensive and well resourced enemy, namely the government I presume.

Because you would need to commit to war. And to be able to war, you would also need to garner the support, resources, numbers of variably skilled individuals, and logistics to wage your war.

Allowed is not the word. Tolerated is more accurate. And what was the 2A written for? To wage war whenever you don’t agree with something? That’s what the opposing side with feel, say and think. Whoever you think is the enemy also thinks they’re the good guys.

 

[EddieNFL]

Only four more steps to liberty.

 

[Fx51LP308]

No, actually this is a quite serious question.

Why do we allow the corruption, why do we allow not being heard or represented. Why do we allow the two tiered justice system.

Have we all just become too comfortable at this point.

I mean this is what the 2nd was written for, but yet here we are.

We have honestly exhausted all other options. The ballot box didn't work, the soapbox doesn't work......

Doc

I'm afraid, "That was then..... This is now!"

To have "RV 2.0" as I like to call it, in these times, with this size in population, and with the sophistication in weaponry available to the "other side," it would be quite the Herculean effort for us... way much more than our forefathers ever imagined. I mean, "Washington crossing the Delaware?" Nope, not in that lifeboat. He'll need the biggest, baddest amphib assault vehicle, if not a freakin' battleship... escorted by F35s Do we have such gear at our disposal(as opposed to the enemy)? How about Paul Revere? That horse just ain't gonna cut it, today. Both sides can alert their citizenry by so many other ways.(SMS/Smartphones, etc.) And it would have to be "secure" (encrypted) for the other side not become aware. And I'm not even beginning to think about the battles themselves and the logistics involved and, even most fundamentally, the "wet team" work that would be required afterwards. Do you think the modern day society would be willing to sacrifice the shedding of all that "red liquid?" Way much more than in our forefather's time?

And here's the other thing. A lot of us who think an RV 2.0 might be the answer (and yes, I've pondered it occasionally), are much more on the "Senior" side of life than most others, I'd think. At least, I am, anyway. I have to wonder how much longer I'd have left on this Earth, and is it sufficient time after the end of RV 2.0 for me to enjoy the benefit of it (having survived/endured all the risk of it) to make it worthwhile? I don't know, honestly. I know the priority would be all of our "descendant" society that share our beliefs, etc and we should do it for them. And Hell, I have a niece and nephew that will inherit all this mess after I'm long gone. But that question would be on my mind and weigh heavily with me.

This RV 2.0 will have to be "politically" based, not physical conflict. I don't think society would accept another domestic physical conflict with all that "wet team" work. Hell, look at all the $hit they gave us with Viet Nam and that wasn't even our conflict! We're going to have to do this politically. We're all going to have to get up off our collective asses and (literally) "drain the swamp," and put our own people in place. We're going to have to ensure that we can (somehow) get control of the Military so that we do have that force and weaponry on our side if ever needed. We have to think like Pres. Trump and start having more babies.... More "conservative" babies. We need to start homeschooling them. And then we need them to become our new politicians so we can continue to drain the swamp. Is it possible? Feasible? Yes, it is. But everyone has to get up off their assess and "get busy!"

 

[Doc68]

I'm afraid, "That was then..... This is now!"

To have "RV 2.0" as I like to call it, in these times, with this size in population, and with the sophistication in weaponry available to the "other side," it would be quite the Herculean effort for us... way much more than our forefathers ever imagined. I mean, "Washington crossing the Delaware?" Nope, not in that lifeboat. He'll need the biggest, baddest amphib assault vehicle, if not a freakin' battleship... escorted by F35s Do we have such gear at our availability (as opposed to the enemy)? How about Paul Revere? That horse just ain't gonna cut it, today. Both sides can alert their citizenry by so many other ways. And it would have to be "secure" (encrypted) for the other side not become aware. And I'm not even beginning to think about the battles themselves and the logistics involved and, even most fundamentally, the "wet team" work that would be required afterwards. Do you think the modern day society would be willing to sacrifice the shedding of all that "red liquid?" Way much more than in our forefather's time?

And here's the other thing. A lot of us who think an RV 2.0 might the answer (and yes, I've pondered it occasionally), are much more on the "Senior" side of life than most others, I'd think. At least, I am, anyway. I have to wonder how much longer I'd have left on this Earth, and is it sufficient time after the end of RV 2.0 for me to enjoy the benefit of it (having survived/endured all the risk of it) to make it worthwhile? I don't know, honestly. I know the priority would be all of society that share our beliefs, etc and we should do it for them. And Hell, I have a niece and nephew that will inherit all this mess after I'm long gone. But that question would be on my mind and weigh heavily with me.

This RV 2.0 will have to be "politically" based, not physical conflict. I don't think society would accept another domestic physical conflict with all that "wet team" work. Hell, look at all the $hit they gave us with Viet Nam and that wasn't even our conflict! We're going to have to do this politically. We're all going to have to get up off our collective asses and (literally) "drain the swamp," and put our own people in place. We're going to have to ensure that we can (somehow) get control of the Military so that we do have that force and weaponry on our side if ever needed. We have to think like Pres. Trump and start having more babies.... More "conservative" babies. We need to start homeschooling them. And then we need them to become our new politicians so we can continue to drain the swamp. Is it possible? Feasible? Yes, it is. But everyone has to get up off their assess and "get busy!"

I recall not too long ago that the Taliban and the baddies in Iraq held off the most powerful military in the world for 20 years.

Yes I know we weren't allowed to win for whatever reason that day brought. But they held their own pretty well for a bunch of "cave dwellers".......

But to each his own.

No one is having babies, except for the wrong people these days.

Doc

 

[EddieNFL]

 

[Fx51LP308]

I recall not too long ago that the Taliban and the baddies in Iraq held off the most powerful military in the world for 20 years.

Yes I know we were allowed to win for whatever reason that day brought. But they held their own pretty well for a bunch of "cave dwellers".......

But to each his own.

No one is having babies, except for the wrong people these days.

Doc

And that's my point. If we're going to be successful, we have to start having more babies than they do. And teaching the existing ones what it means to live in the society we want for them. In essence we have to "un-indoctrinate" and "re-indoctrinate" to our way of thinking. We're going to have to do that regardless of whether the RV is "physical" or "political." And the thing about the Taliban was that it was a far smaller scale than what a full RV 2.0 would be if we went that way. Could the Taliban handle all the Nukes, the bombs, all the things the US could bring to bear if we went "all in?"

 

[NoDopes]

I imagine it would look a lot like that dude in NY who whacked that CEO. Only 1000's more.
I guess like you said, Taliban, guerilla warfare, overwhelm the response.
If I had to guess.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

So what's everyone's breaking point. Our forefathers got pissed at the high tax and no representation.

We are at this point once again. So when is everyone gonna say fuck the system and finally hit the reset button.

Seriously, when are we finally going to stand up for ourselves and say enough is enough.

Not asking for a friend.....


Doc

Careful, you're about to be called a glowie.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Seriously, when are we finally going to stand up for ourselves and say enough is enough.

On our terms, Never, would be my answer, but we could be forced into it by others, more pissed off about changes Trump is/has/will made/make than us. A simple large scale power outage could cascade into a major reset, real quick. We have had a long period of calm in this country, and the storm will arrive at some point. We need to be ready to take full advantage of it and not be washer woman when it arrives. Harden your heart & do whats required when the time presents its self,...

Kids having their allowance cut off throw tantrums, as do people used to having their way all the time. Both types are always unpredictable, just be ready for when the foot stomping ends and it gets real.

 

[Fx51LP308]

I imagine it would look a lot like that dude in NY who whacked that CEO. Only 1000's more.
I guess like you said, Taliban, guerilla warfare, overwhelm the response.
If I had to guess.

In that case, it would have to be "pinpoint" surgical accuracy in re: those guerilla tactics. We'd have to know precisely who needs to be targeted, the priority in which they need to be targeted and know that the targeting tactics would work.

As I type this, I was watching a Newsmax special called "Mossad." One of the ops they featured was the assassination attempt of Khaled Mashal, an official in Hamas. They (Mossad) attempted to assassinate him in Jordan and retreat before anyone knew it was them. They would approach him, spray a narc based poison all over his neck to get into his skin (and, simultaneously, disguise that with spraying a shaken Coca Cola can). THe op itself was successful (to the extent that they executed it), but they got caught and chased by a mob. It took a lot of negotiation with King Hussein and the supply of an antidote for the poison to get Hussein not to tear up the peace treaty just negotiated with Bill Clinton and the Israelis.

If guerilla tactics like that would be successful and on the scale it would need to happen, they'd have to get a lot better at it.

 

[mvphilly]

Action will never be taken as long as people are pacified and have their version of comfort. I doubt change ever occurs unless it is helped by natural or man made disaster that seriously alters life.

This up here.It would take actions worse than what was done by the government during COVID to ignite that blaze and I think right now they know their red line.Remeber they have alot to lose as well.

 

[EddieNFL]

If guerilla tactics like that would be successful and on the scale it would need to happen, they'd have to get a lot better at it.

You don’t hear of the successful missions.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

The answer is not in kinetic actions, but in power of the purse…

Long before shots were fired in 1775, colonists put the squeeze on British merchant traffic. In the 1930’s, Ghandi had hundreds of millions of Indians stop buying British products.

The government is dependent on cash and the POS politicians that are “bought” are being paid with your money…. By way of China and other places. The media is brainwashing you with your money… in cable and satellite fees so you have 500 channels of garbage.

Cut off the funding and you weaken the snake to the point of collapse.

Number one thing Americans can do is to stop buying from China. Next thing would be to buy things in on secondary market only. Barter. Do without. Use tools to fix things instead. Of buying new.


Stop spending on things you don’t need… with companies and countries dedicated to taking away your freedom and destroying American exceptionalism. That will drive complete collapse and reset without firing a shot.

Of course, it will also require austerity… not going to Disney by plane. Driving an older car with no heated seats. Not having the latest phone or flat screen. Not eating out. Shopping local or doing without.

And who is going to do that?

It’s going to take an invasion, a terrorist or military attack that makes 911 or pearl harbor look tame or, more likely, a natural disaster or earth-altering proportions to cause any reset. That would come out of the ashes. And be crafted by the strongest survivors of a Darwinian selection.

We have been in a 500 year Goldilocks zone of history and geology. Yes, including some world wars.

It won’t last and no one sane will let that AppleCart get turned over.

Now as for the blue-haired Tesla-burning insane? Well, they might do that. Because they believe that out of the ashes will rise their socialist utopia.

My bet is more like mad max, less like all flowers and unicorns and burning man shit.

Meh… whatever. Just remember that it is better to be a warrior in a garden than it is to be a Gardner in a war.

Sirhr

 

[Bradu]

Action will never be taken as long as people are pacified and have their version of comfort. I doubt change ever occurs unless it is helped by natural or man made disaster that seriously alters life.

People aren't giving up their heat, a/c, cell phones or any other other part of their lifestyle.

 

[Fx51LP308]

You don’t hear of the successful missions.

No, we don't. But you know the old saying about all the "Attaboys" and that "one Oh $hit" wipes them out making you start over again!

I'm not knocking Mossad at all... they do a fantastic job. But scaling things up to the level needed for RV 2.0 requires much much better accuracy.

 

[Bullfrog08]

I thought Trump was supposed to undo all this? I guess Executive Orders isn't really doing it?????

Nothing will change, people are too comfortable in their life. They could take 90% of what people own and if the people can still afford shelter, food, transportation, and some entertainment they won't do shit!

Then again, lets actually think about how bad it really is......

- Does the two tier justice system really affect anyone here? I think shitbags that steal cars, money, and other material shit are getting released and repeating but we will always have that in society. It's affected me, but there are tools available to prevent threats and what not. I don't care if politicians throw each other in jail, affects me none!

- They steal a shit load of money from me, but I still have plenty left at the end of the month. The money they are spending far outweighs the money they bring in. My 40% is pennies to them and they just make money from air and continue to spend anyway. We do live in the best country to ever exist, so how bad is it really? I mean a shit load of people, spend a shit load of money to lose weight. Think about that! It is sooooo bad in this country we have to figure out ways to stop stuffing our face with food!

- All the trans, woke and other bullshit is really solvable through your money, but people haven't had enough of it yet, as they still watch sports, pay to watch TV programming, shop non-American made. It must not bother people too much as they still participate and finance the things they bitch about. Stop giving money to people that are against you.

- School. Pull your kids out, teach them yourself. If you think that is a daunting task and hardship, try civil war. Civil war/unrest sounds hard!

We just like to bitch about stuff. Common threads on this forum. Bitch, whine and complain. How do you know we are in the best position of any man to ever live.......we bitch about the world we live in. The best world to EVER exist!

Our life is rough, we have to sit down and bitch about it......BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT FREE TIME! Instead of foraging for food and protecting ourselves from warriors, we get to pull up our little handheld electronic device and bitch/complain. FUCK........talk about entitled!

Anyway, when does the boogaloo start? I've been able to afford all the toys, guns armor, ammo and food supplies for the boogaloo! Yes, my life is that ROUGH in this TOUGH country!

Hopefully I can find someone to piss off in another thread today. It is Friday, so it means more ugly red heads in the MPT. I'm gonna go bitch about that again today, and get some people fired up, that's how rough our world is!

 

[UNRL Ghandi]

Survey to determine likelihood of rebellion:

1. When was the last time you didn't eat because you didn't have food?
2. Is your gun/gear collection worth more than $10k.
3. Do you have a hobby you spend money and free time on?
4. Which of these items could you not find within 30 minutes from your house right now: grocery store, gas, alcohol, 5 restaurants, doctors office, pharmacy.
5. Do you spend 40% or more of your income on food?
6. Are you willing to go to jail today?
7. Are you willing to watch your children die sometime in the next year to gain more freedom/control?

Ain't no rebellion happening anytime soon.

 

[Docsherm]

I recall not too long ago that the Taliban and the baddies in Iraq held off the most powerful military in the world for 20 years.

Yes I know we were allowed to win for whatever reason that day brought. But they held their own pretty well for a bunch of "cave dwellers".......

But to each his own.

No one is having babies, except for the wrong people these days.

Doc

But remember, the MIL was being held back by those same people that you want to fight. They would not be so accommodating to you.

 

[Tokay444]

The fact that it didn't happen over Covid means it'll never happen. Forced diversity has weakened and pussified an entire nation into submissive tax slaves.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

So what's everyone's breaking point. Our forefathers got pissed at the high tax and no representation.

We are at this point once again. So when is everyone gonna say fuck the system and finally hit the reset button.

Seriously, when are we finally going to stand up for ourselves and say enough is enough.

Not asking for a friend.....


Doc

"If you don't get turned on to politics, politics will turn on you"

The system is capable of change, what it requires is participation. And it's a very dirty game.

 

[Doc68]

Careful, you're about to be called a glowie.

I don't give a fuck what people call me. Been a member here since 2013 I think. Just a pissed off vet tired of watching his country go down the shitter and seems like no one wants to fucking do a god damn thing about it.

So they can call me whatever the fuck they want to.....like the saying goes, sticks and stone may break my bones but names will never hurt me.

Doc

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

I don't give a fuck what people call me. Been a member here since 2013 I think. Just a pissed off vet tired of watching his country go down the shitter and seems like no one wants to fucking do a god damn thing about it.

So they can call me whatever the fuck they want to.....like the saying goes, sticks and stone may break my bones but makes will never hurt me.

Doc

I'm with you. 3% of the people are

 

[Green461]

No one will. Look at all the people that took an oath in this country, they sit back and do nothing as the constitution is violated. The people cant so anything because the kings guard will get them. Every person that took an oath that does nothing is loyal to the king not the constitution.

 

[Fx51LP308]

The fact that it didn't happen over Covid means it'll never happen. Forced diversity has weakened and pussified an entire nation into submissive tax slaves.

If COVID had taken more victims, perhaps, it might have happened. I can think of some things, worse than the actual impact of COVID that could easily make it happen... Say, if LE came door to door in a mass "Confiscation" effort (if you get my drift)).... I know... I know... "They don't have sufficient resources for that." But, if they did.....

 

[EddieNFL]

If COVID had taken more victims, perhaps, it might have happened. I can think of some things, worse than the actual impact of COVID that could easily make it happen... Say, if LE came door to door in a mass "Confiscation" effort (if you get my drift)).... I know... I know... "They don't have sufficient resources for that." But, if they did.....

They’ve done it before on a local scale.

 

[Fx51LP308]

They’ve done it before on a local scale.

Yes, they have. And they're still doing it via ERPOs/Red Flag laws. But I think they'd have to do it on a national scale to trigger RV 2.0.

 

[Bigfatcock]

I think everyone is waiting for the kraken.

 

[Tokay444]

If COVID had taken more victims, perhaps, it might have happened. I can think of some things, worse than the actual impact of COVID that could easily make it happen... Say, if LE came door to door in a mass "Confiscation" effort (if you get my drift)).... I know... I know... "They don't have sufficient resources for that." But, if they did.....

It's not the impact of covid I was referring to. It was the reaction.

 

[ironpony52]

As soon as the Older generation dies out they have won. Anyone under 50 at this point has been indoctrinated.

 

[Sandhog308]

I think everyone is waiting for the kraken.

He should be well rested !

 

[Sandhog308]

So what's everyone's breaking point. Our forefathers got pissed at the high tax and no representation.

We are at this point once again. So when is everyone gonna say fuck the system and finally hit the reset button.

Seriously, when are we finally going to stand up for ourselves and say enough is enough.

Not asking for a friend.....


Doc

In my AO the majority of people don’t know or care what day it is , much less that their being screwed daily.
Not sure if they’re sheep’s or lemmings , but they will do what they are told without questioning why. I have friends that talk a good fight , but when the SHTF , they’ll lay down like a pup and piss on their stomachs. People have become softer than cupcakes. I have a small group of like minded friends that will have each others backs. They are all in their 50’s to 70’s now , all former military. I stay in as good of physical shape as possible , I shoot as often as possible and try and stay prepared. I’m too old to give a fuck and I’m not afraid to die.
I think it will take an major event like the grid going down , food shortages, a new chemical weapon stronger than Covid … or the Man actually going door to door taking your shit for people to respond.

Edit : I wonder what condition we’d be in if Harris stole the election ?
trying to find something positive

 

[DemonicLemming]

As soon as the Older generation dies out they have won. Anyone under 50 at this point has been indoctrinated.

Nope. Plenty of bridge-gappers ("elder millenials") and millenials tired of the shit from the boomers (indoctrinated) and the zoomers (also indoctrinated). We saw exactly what happened during Covid (on both sides) and we're sitting back, watching, and waiting.

How many of those "non-indoctrinated over-50s" would have an autistic shrieking melt down if the "brainwashed under-50s" said "Ok, we'll fight back against the libs but that means you're not gonna get Social Security because we're gonna be busy, you know, fighting and not able to work to pay taxes to fill up your bank account"? Libs have Soros and Gates to pay their brownshirts, who do you think the conservatives have to bankroll organized opposition?

Would it be more fun if I said anyone over 50 was complicit in the indoctrination of "everyone else" that they bitch about, because they're the ones who were around when the groundwork was created for the indoctrination of the current generation? 1968 and 1986 - explicit proof that indoctrination was going on well before that time and conservatives then didn't give a fuck the same way they don't give a fuck now.

Dems win because they play the long game, they play it dirty and underhanded as they can, there's no win too small for them to work towards, and they're organized. Until conservatives figure out that white lace gloves, a 2-week memory, and a hard-on for "only the big ones count!" doesn't accomplish shit, nothing's going to change.

And look at the organization the shitlibs have - from BLM to antifa to the whole Tesla thing, the massive fraud networks, Soros, Gates, they own the judicial system, etc. Conservatives? It's a bunch of retarded drunk blind parapelegic monkeys trying to fuck a greased football with a pool noodle in comparison. And it pisses me off because that absolute lack of organization is what lets the liberal fucks win most of the victories they've gotten in the past 20-30 years.

Not enough fucks for the Pit, I know.

 

[Alphatreedog]

Think 9 meals . That is all .
Buy more ammo .
And right now ammo is not the worst it's been . So to all of you , myself included , " man if I knew this was gonna happen I'd of $$$$$$$ " .
Ahh hemm .
Buy more ammo .