Rifle Scopes Burris XTR3!!!

[D_TROS]

Competition Dynamics Steel Safari this weekend...I cant say how impressed I am with the FOV and finding hidden targets under time duress.

Field style match. Blind stages. Find. Range. Build position. Figure wind. Shoot. All by yourself. True test of marksmanship. By far the best match of the year. 3 days. 3 different field courses with 8-9 stages per area. Ea stage has 6 targets to engage in 5 min.


Regards,
DT

 

[SOAPdata]

I am excited for this scope it looks like it will bridge the gap between budget and top end very nicely

 

[MarinePMI]

Well, my XTR II just went to the post office this morning, and back to Greeley. I guess we'll see what comes back. Either way, it's a lesson learned. No bitterness, and a little bit wiser about first run production issues. Shrug...can't really blame Burris; stuff happens, and the price tag wasn't one that compares to a Gen II Razor at the time. Add to this that the thing tracks like a tank, and if it turns out that I get the same scope back with a "meets specs", then I'll just chalk it up to an expensive lesson learned.

Life's too short to keep beating this dead horse. As someone that has a first run XTR II, I'll say; most just need to get over it and move on. I had already written this scope off, but was encouraged to send it back in for a check. Whatever comes back, I'll live with. It can always be used as a loaner for a new shooter, since I know they track well.

 

[Alpine 338]

So, anyone know why they aren't offering the XTR III with the H-591 (H-59), or even the MilDot? The Burris website only shows the new scopes being available with the SCR based reticles, which I am not a fan of.

 

[FALex]

People rave about the Vortex warrenty but wont take advantage of the Burris one? Come on now...

Regards,
DT

That's because the Vortex users have to use the warranty. Fucking mic drop!!!!

You opened the door brother, I merely walked through it.

 

[EastCOYotes]

Well, my XTR II just went to the post office this morning, and back to Greeley. I guess we'll see what comes back. Either way, it's a lesson learned. No bitterness, and a little bit wiser about first run production issues. Shrug...can't really blame Burris; stuff happens, and the price tag wasn't one that compares to a Gen II Razor at the time. Add to this that the thing tracks like a tank, and if it turns out that I get the same scope back with a "meets specs", then I'll just chalk it up to an expensive lesson learned.

Life's too short to keep beating this dead horse. As someone that has a first run XTR II, I'll say; most just need to get over it and move on. I had already written this scope off, but was encouraged to send it back in for a check. Whatever comes back, I'll live with. It can always be used as a loaner for a new shooter, since I know they track well.

Curious to see how the warranty turnaround time works for you. My scope has been with them a little over a month now

 

[atepointer]

Jeezo I walk away for 5 min and the haters come out. LOL.

Its been spelled out pretty well the shortcomings of the first XTRII that were released (spotty glass and 8 mil knobs). This thread IS NOT for that purpose. There are literally a dozen other threads hashing that out.

Its also been pretty well hashed out the newer ones are very impressive. I mean how else could I have got a top 5 in a PRS match with over 120 people (day 2 in rainy snowy conditions as well), shooting a 308 none the less!! lol (first and only top 5 ever with a 308 btw in any major major open match...yes that's an XTR2

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Stay on topic fellas!

BUT that being said, I love when people forget price pt. The XTR2 are what, $900 now? Comparing to a $2500 Kahles or NF? Really? lol stop it. That's a joke. Noone ever said the XTR2 glass was top tier. (even tho I trust the XTR2 mechanics more than the Kahles by a long shot but I digress)

Pertaining to the XTR3, no one said, again, that the XTR3 will run circles around any scope (other than maybe the XTR2 lol) There are not any production models in the wild yet. Eagerly awaiting the review from Koshkin for sure.

My prototype...everyone who has looked through it has been impressed...

Ive used it in 5 matches and 2 8-man team matches...

PRS Finale -- Tac Class - 1st overall
GA Bushnell Elite - 1st Division and 1st overall
OK 8-man team match - 4th
Karstetter Memorial - 4th
WA 8 man team match - 1st
S3 - 6th (this is the only match I want a do over. we were on a stage when the snow came in and it was a blind stage we had to range targets and the RF would not range. so we asked RO's the size of the targets so we could retc range and they didn't know. Regardless to say it was our low score of the match. dang dang.)
Warhorse - 2nd

So its been pretty solid... I think the peanut gallery will be impressed. I sure am. a peanut I mean. lol.

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Regards,
DT

Ok so the 8mil turrets are how I distinguish the first run XTR II's? I just ventured in here having long since purchased my 5-25 and I love it. About to buy a 4-20 for another rifle.....it's used.....will it have 8mil as well? If not I'd be grateful if you could let me know any other distinguishing specs. Thanks!

 

[want2ride]

Ok so the 8mil turrets are how I distinguish the first run XTR II's? I just ventured in here having long since purchased my 5-25 and I love it. About to buy a 4-20 for another rifle.....it's used.....will it have 8mil as well? If not I'd be grateful if you could let me know any other distinguishing specs. Thanks!

The box is just a little different and the labelling on the scope is just slightly different.

I got a 3-15 g2B as my first XTR2, and it was a fantastic scope, SUPER good glass. The second one also a 3-15 g2B I got was at a retail store and it was obviously one of the first ones after they went to a 10MIL per rev, and the glass wasn't too great. It came in a little different looking box than the first and the graphics on the scope were just slightly different, The turrets felt the same, but it was just a bit dimmer. The glass wasn't NEARLY as bad as some of the stories I have heard on here and not bad enough that I would consider sending it back. I have used it on a rifle to shoot out to 800 yard steel and could see the target clear enough to count the impacts from a 6.5 Creedmoor.
I have since got a 4-20 and a 5-25 XTR2 and they both have glass that is pretty good. Better than my second one, but not as good as my first. Just from my experience, it looks like there is a pretty wide range of glass quality that you can expect and the newer ones seem to be a lot better.
I am looking forward to the XTR3, but I probably won't get one for a couple years. I just spent too much on scopes over the last 12 months and need to curb the spending. I will be anxiously monitoring the comments though!

 

[atepointer]

The box is just a little different and the labelling on the scope is just slightly different.

I got a 3-15 g2B as my first XTR2, and it was a fantastic scope, SUPER good glass. The second one also a 3-15 g2B I got was at a retail store and it was obviously one of the first ones after they went to a 10MIL per rev, and the glass wasn't too great. It came in a little different looking box than the first and the graphics on the scope were just slightly different, The turrets felt the same, but it was just a bit dimmer. The glass wasn't NEARLY as bad as some of the stories I have heard on here and not bad enough that I would consider sending it back. I have used it on a rifle to shoot out to 800 yard steel and could see the target clear enough to count the impacts from a 6.5 Creedmoor.
I have since got a 4-20 and a 5-25 XTR2 and they both have glass that is pretty good. Better than my second one, but not as good as my first. Just from my experience, it looks like there is a pretty wide range of glass quality that you can expect and the newer ones seem to be a lot better.
I am looking forward to the XTR3, but I probably won't get one for a couple years. I just spent too much on scopes over the last 12 months and need to curb the spending. I will be anxiously monitoring the comments though!

Ok great thank you. I went with the SCR-mil the Christmas tree reticles are not my fav tried the Tremor on buddies ATACR just too much going on for my preference. The deals on the 4-20 are pretty amazing right now glad you are liking yours I will take your info forward and be sure... fortunately I can put eyes on this one I'm looking at to make sure it's a 'good one'.

 

[atepointer]

A quick and easy method for separating the early released XTR2 versus the revised version after the Steiner acquisition is the tungsten metal ring on the ocular bell housing.

Old models dont have it, newer ones do.

Ok looks like I have a new one. Thanks man I love mine

 

[Dev L]

Funny, you guys say I am "beating a dead horse" and "first gen issues were worked out" but the XTRII that I got and my fellow officer got were 10mil turrets with the tungsten rings on occular, indicating newest production.

My point was... preproduction units may have good glass, units sent for the initial volley of reviews to influencers may have good glass, but that does not mean production units will have the same glass. With Burris, buyer beware... don't buy sight unseen. If it looks good in person, buy it. Just dont buy assuming optical quality based on a review from someone elses scope.

I also agree the scope mechanicals were great, tracked well, and it was robust and reliable.

 

[D_TROS]

Back on topic. Got to use the XTR 3-18 in my last 3 matches. Steel Safari (3rd) NRL Smith Ranch (10th) and this past weekend my teammate and I shot one of the better matches we've shot and took the win. Competition Dynamics puts on the best smoothest run match year after year. LOOK THEM UP. You will not be disappointed for a truly individual match. Love them.

Again, the FOV cant be stressed enough when looking for targets under time duress. ALso, a noticable difference from the old XTR2, the glass is really nice. For both field matches, there were several targets that were very hard to locate in shadows and in front of and in bushes that just popped out.

Its hard not to gush on this scope, esp if they hit the street well under the $2k mark. Now if they can just get them shipping to the public!!

3-18 with sunshade still shorter than both my Minox and S&B


Regards,
DT

 

[Wormydog1724]

@D_TROS that video of you and your partner on FB was freaking legit.

 

[Chasing3]

When are they supposed to be available?

 

[delfuego]

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That guy is goooooood looking

 

[McMillan]

When are they supposed to be available?

Who knows but they have made a serious mistake when nx8s are already shipping

 

[Glassaholic]

Congrat's on that win DT! I don't shoot comps, but the Competition Dynamics is always on my radar every year... I think I'm more excited about this scope than I am the ZCO, mostly because of price and what it appears to offer for that price. Really wish the illuminated SCR2's would release soon...

 

[YF12A]

Who knows but they have made a serious mistake when nx8s are already shipping

Agree with this, but I feel a comparison still will be very interesting, IMHO.

 

[McMillan]

I honestly dont think the NX8 release matters much. They are going to be sharing the market regardless of who hits the shelves first. And I seriously doubt anyone will have trouble moving the XTR3 if it's a quality optic.

Some folks will go with the one they like best. Lots of people will buy the Nightforce just because it says Nightforce on the side. The scope market has plenty of room for a good solid scope to sell well.

I think initially they are going to take a big hit because of it. Talking to people in the prs community. There were quiet a few people talking about getting a xtr3 now those same people are talking about getting an nx8. They will loose the sales that they had because it's the new kid on the block

 

[Glassaholic]

I think initially they are going to take a big hit because of it. Talking to people in the prs community. There were quiet a few people talking about getting a xtr3 now those same people are talking about getting an nx8. They will loose the sales that they had because it's the new kid on the block

But you aren't factoring in the people who sell the NX8's to buy the XTR III's when they do come out. Seriously, I just don't see the NF competing at the same level as the XTR III just because they are close to the same price point, the XTR III is a 5.5x mag range while the NX8 is an 8x mag range - there are just too many compromises to make for NF to build an 8x mag range scope and sell at the $2k price point, my guess is that many early adopters will realize these limitations soon enough. But as you mentioned, Birddog, the fact that it says NF will probably be enough to keep those scopes hot on the market even if the XTR III is better. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the NX8 will be worthless, I'm just saying at its price point there are some compromises that had to be made and I think those compromises will be more than what we see in the XTR III. If I'm wrong and the NX8 turns out to punch way above its class optically then kudo's to NF, but I will reserve that judgement until they get into unbiased hands for a competent review.

For those who might be wondering "what compromises", here is just a few of what an 8x erector tends to have:

• More finicky eyebox (less forgiving)
• Shallow DOF
• you have to make more parallax adjustments

Take a look at March, they've been making 8x FFP scopes for quite some time now, these scopes sell for over $3000 but still suffer from the above issues, the NX8 shares similar traits in high magnification range, 30mm tube and short body but sell for over $1000 more than the NX8, maybe NF figured out how to cut costs without compromising optical/mechanical quality, I would love that but I also have great difficulty thinking that NF has undercut their very popular ATACR line which costs quite a bit more; therefore, I think NF cut corners to get the NX8 at the current price point.

Back to the XTR III, I find it interesting that Burris is actually using a 7x erector in their design, but only using 5.5x mag range out of that, it could be to cut costs but they've also managed to provide a very impressive FOV for both the 3.3-18 and 5.5-30 and FOV matters more than magnification for me - I'll take a 6x scope that has greater FOV than a 5x almost any day. This is what DT is talking about when he mentions "the FOV cant be stressed enough when looking for targets under time duress" because if you can't see the target then you can't hit the target. Target acquisition is extremely important in our sport, and if you're competing or you're hunting then having that little bit of edge might make the difference in your timing or your ability to make the kill.

 

[shields shtr]

I've been salivating over this scope for a while, it checks a lot of boxes for me. I thought I read in the first few posts that they were looking at a June delivery to dealers, but I could be wrong. I think I remember thinking the same thing about the XTRII as well. The way I remember the XTRII was they were really hard to get your hands on, then they had some type of glass issue on early models, then they became more readily available, then they came out with the XTRIII...

Would love to get my hands on one and see if it lives up to my unrealistic expectations

 

[Subwrx300]

My only complaint about the XTR3 is that I don't have one yet!

C'mon Burris! Get that Brown Santa Truck loaded up!

 

[Moose]

I am interested in the BurrisXTR111 but I will keep my hard earned cash in my pocket until I start seeing some hands on reviews.I hope it will be a very good scope.

 

[Glassaholic]

Would love to get my hands on one and see if it lives up to my unrealistic expectations

Exactly my thoughts as well, most of the time I have unrealistic expectations with scopes, especially when I'm hoping a new release will punch way above its class and break the mold. One of the few scopes that actually met my "unrealistic expectations" was the Vortex AMG, truly an amazing scope for the price. I'm hoping the XTR III will have a similar effect, but then again, I've "hoped" about many scopes over the past few years and many scopes have let me down - again, not that they were horrible (well some were pretty bad) but they didn't live up to my expectation of what I thought they would be.

 

[Glassaholic]

Back on topic. Got to use the XTR 3-18 in my last 3 matches. Steel Safari (3rd) NRL Smith Ranch (10th) and this past weekend my teammate and I shot one of the better matches we've shot and took the win. Competition Dynamics puts on the best smoothest run match year after year. LOOK THEM UP. You will not be disappointed for a truly individual match. Love them.

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Again, the FOV cant be stressed enough when looking for targets under time duress. ALso, a noticable difference from the old XTR2, the glass is really nice. For both field matches, there were several targets that were very hard to locate in shadows and in front of and in bushes that just popped out.

Its hard not to gush on this scope, esp if they hit the street well under the $2k mark. Now if they can just get them shipping to the public!!

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3-18 with sunshade still shorter than both my Minox and S&B


Regards,
DT

I just realized something in your pictures DT. Who makes that monster bipod in the pic with your trophy? I have not seen one with that long of leg extensions, I made some extensions for my Atlas with some oak dowels, but I'm thinking what you have is probably more sturdy. Also, the second pic of you (or your teammate?) shooting off the rock, brilliant using the tripod with a bag on top for stabilizing!

 

[shields shtr]

Who makes that monster bipod in the pic with your trophy?

That is a Ckye Pod. MDT makes them now.

 

[D_TROS]

Well here goes. Have a team match this weekend. My wife decided to shoot a match for the first time with a friends wife. Well friends wife tore her MCL so after a couple team juggling, I am shooting the match with my wife.

As she has never shot a match before, ever, i will be having her shoot the bolt rifle and i will be shooting the carbine (i am borrowing an AR as i ordered a JP and it hasnt arrived yet). The AR has a 4-20 on it.

Both carbine and rifle weigh in at 12 lbs so happy there as its a timed field match

Her comments were pretty funny while we were practicing. She said, “This scope is so much easier to look through than a hunting scope. I also find it easier to find targets than i expected.”

Fun little testimony from a complete and udder rook.

Well, wish us luck!


Regards
DT

 

[D_TROS]

Wyoming Tactical Rifle Challenge. Look it up.

Previous Years - Mac's Gunworks

In previous years we have built guns for military, kids, ultra light, & handguns. Also in previous years we've sponsored numerous shoots.

www.macsgunworks.com

Incredibly fun match. My favorite of the year and also the highest round count. Coincidence? probably. lol


DT

 

[precisionrifleman]

Good times in Wyoming?! Shooting with your wife is a journey, hope you all had fun!

 

[Wormydog1724]

Well… Burris... We're waiting

 

[Glassaholic]

Well… Burris... We're waiting

This is a common theme of late, announce early, get everyone excited, but don't deliver until later. I think the Nikon NX8 is the only one that has surprised me with their quick release.

 

[MarinePMI]

Methinks they're swamped. I sent a scope in for repair about 5 weeks ago, and aside from the confirmation of receipt, I haven't heard a word back. I'm not too concerned or miffed, since I have other glass in use, but it may indicate they are busting their humps trying to get product to market.

Getting 20 or even 50 scopes out the door may seem reasonable within a short time, but hundreds of hundreds would require quite a bit of effort and many areas where dates could slip. Still, (based off personal experience while consulting) it's never a good idea to perform a "product release" or "press release" with substantial time between that and actual availability. While it gets the competitors reacting, it can easily back fire. And a costly back fire at that.

I hope they get their products out soon!

 

[beetroot]

This is a common theme of late, announce early, get everyone excited, but don't deliver until later. I think the Nikon NX8 is the only one that has surprised me with their quick release.

What I don't understand is how they can go from "being ready to ship just after shot show" to still nothing in July.

Surely you wouldn't make a statement like the first one until all the Ts are crossed and Is dotted and all that's left is to press the big green go button on the CNC machines.
I understand there can always be hiccups, but saying you are all ready to go when you clearly are not is just plain lying.

 

[bobke]

Based on history of early release of product not quite ready for prime time, if even the remotest or smallest QC issue was present, I’d much rather see a Mfg focus on corrective action than constantly updating their status on a moment/moment basis. And rework is 2-3x as expensive as doing it right once , as well as avoiding the PR of premature release of a flawed product. That learning curve is steep, and a climb you’d only want to make once.

 

[MarinePMI]

My guess is they found some needed mods/additional QC's that are needed based on those field testing the prototypes/first run items.

 

[Glassaholic]

Based on history of early release of product not quite ready for prime time, if even the remotest or smallest QC issue was present, I’d much rather see a Mfg focus on corrective action than constantly updating their status on a moment/moment basis. And rework is 2-3x as expensive as doing it right once , as well as avoiding the PR of premature release of a flawed product. That learning curve is steep, and a climb you’d only want to make once.

I agree, in fact, Burris knows all about this from the XTR II release, they had a number of QC/QA issues coming out the door that really hurt the long term, if the XTR III takes an extra 3 months to release but releases as a stellar optic without issues from the get go, well that is well worth the wait for me.

 

[D_TROS]

Couple things. First off the delay in production. I called em and asked whats going on. Their anodizing guy that was literally down the street went out of business due to new regulation BS in CO. Due to the high tolerances required, their new anodizer is out of state. Just imagine the headache of figuring out everything again that was supposed to be done and add several state separation to progress. Ugh.

After they got that sorted out, they had other std production bugs are being sorted out. Pretty sure Im not the only one that wants a BA product to be shipped the first time. Nearly 100% American made means they are doing all the work. If not for the anodizing deal, these scopes would be shipping.

At the WTRC last weekend, there was a production scope being shot by a Burris guy. It is darker in color (tint of anodizing) but way better than my prototype Ive been using in both glass and general feel. Be patient guys. This is going to be worth it.


Regards,
DT

 

[D_TROS]

hashtagfamilyswhoshoottogetherstaytogether

#wtrc WYOMING TACTICAL RIFLE CHAMPIONSHIP in the books. Mixed it up this year and shot it with my wife and wow she didnt disappoint. after day 1 we were solidly in 2nd. day 2 and day 3 both saw catastrophic AR issues happen on my AR and we dropped to 7th. Still ecstatic with a top 10 finish in my wife’s first match ever. #love #wife #womenwhoshoot

highlight of the match? we had high hit % with pistol over the whole match. very exciting to have that to build on!

Wife used the XTR3 on the rifle and as shown above, I used an old XTR2 4-20 on my AR. She shot roughly 350 rounds and I shot nearly 400 carbine rounds. We shot a combined 200 pistol rounds.

When our carbine went completely down on day 3 we borrowed a friends with another scope on it. Using it she really struggled finding targets. This eye box is really nice.

This position had 7 rifle and 5 carbine targets from 220 - 1100 yards. Very tough position. Very fun.



Regards,
DT

 

[Glassaholic]

That stinks about the anodizer. Colorado is quickly becoming a very left state, politically speaking, I wouldn't doubt someone caught decided anodizing is destroying the ozone and 5 polar bears have died because of this one guy alone. Sorry, I love polar bears, but some of this stuff goes too far.

Did I just read that right @D_TROS , did you just say the production version you thought was "way better" than your version in both feel and glass? I thought you said you were very impressed with the glass in your version but you think production is better...

 

[Rutter]

So much for using it this year. Just a guess, I’m thinking someone will come out with a new scope come shot show 2020. Most people still won’t get the XTR 3 in their hands before that news. In turn the new scope will come out quickly like the NF MIL-XT did. Being able to use it for the 2020 season. This killing the XTR 3 sales.
I was hoping to get one or two of these but have since gotten tired of the wait and bought some other companies scope. I’m figuring if I have done this many others have too. Not being prepared loses the race.
They would have been better off to have 10,000 units done sitting in the warehouse, then releasing it at the 2020 show than to do this.

 

[Glassaholic]

So much for using it this year. Just a guess, I’m thinking someone will come out with a new scope come shot show 2020. Most people still won’t get the XTR 3 in their hands before that news. In turn the new scope will come out quickly like the NF MIL-XT did. Being able to use it for the 2020 season. This killing the XTR 3 sales.
I was hoping to get one or two of these but have since gotten tired of the wait and bought some other companies scope. I’m figuring if I have done this many others have too. Not being prepared loses the race.
They would have been better off to have 10,000 units done sitting in the warehouse, then releasing it at the 2020 show than to do this.

So help me understand, Burris announces XTR III in late 2018, Burris has not delivered the scope by mid 2019 so you buy another scope instead, but you think it would be better if Burris never announced the scope at all, but instead announced it at 2020 SHOT Show with 10,000 units ready to ship. So because Burris announced it early you are not going to buy it? I guess I'm trying to understand the logic of how can Burris be losing out by announcing in 2018 vs announcing once they have a large enough stock on hand? Don't get me wrong, I understand we can get frustrated when there are delays, but I don't see how this is hurting Burris sales? If they announced the scope in 2020 aren't they still "losing" out on sales in 2019, so how are they worse off?

 

[Rutter]

So help me understand, Burris announces XTR III in late 2018, Burris has not delivered the scope by mid 2019 so you buy another scope instead, but you think it would be better if Burris never announced the scope at all, but instead announced it at 2020 SHOT Show with 10,000 units ready to ship. So because Burris announced it early you are not going to buy it? I guess I'm trying to understand the logic of how can Burris be losing out by announcing in 2018 vs announcing once they have a large enough stock on hand? Don't get me wrong, I understand we can get frustrated when there are delays, but I don't see how this is hurting Burris sales? If they announced the scope in 2020 aren't they still "losing" out on sales in 2019, so how are they worse off?

I guess I see it a bit differently. Example, when Ford came out with the new body style pickup and a more powerful diesel motor I went and bought it. Now say Chevy tells us that they have a new truck coming out with better fuel mpg and such. So as my Ford is gaining miles on the odometer I’m wanting and waiting on the Chevy. We’ll release date comes and passes with now showing of the Chevy. Finally it’s a year or two later and they are ready to release the Chevy in 2020. Well by this time I’m over the wait and Ford has come up with a new truck that does better on mpg, or whatever it was that Chevy offered. So I’m going to stay with Ford first off they are more reliable with their statements. Plus I’m already familiar with that line of product and not to willing to change companies.

 

[Glassaholic]

I guess I see it a bit differently. Example, when Ford came out with the new body style pickup and a more powerful diesel motor I went and bought it. Now say Chevy tells us that they have a new truck coming out with better fuel mpg and such. So as my Ford is gaining miles on the odometer I’m wanting and waiting on the Chevy. We’ll release date comes and passes with now showing of the Chevy. Finally it’s a year or two later and they are ready to release the Chevy in 2020. Well by this time I’m over the wait and Ford has come up with a new truck that does better on mpg, or whatever it was that Chevy offered. So I’m going to stay with Ford first off they are more reliable with their statements. Plus I’m already familiar with that line of product and not to willing to change companies.

I think I'm following, but if Chevy never announced their new truck until 2020, when Ford also had a new model that matched it, how would it be different, wouldn't you still stay with Ford? Only if Chevy actually delivered on the new model before Ford ever announced their's would you consider switching, and maybe that is your point - you were going to switch to the Burris XTR III after using Brand X because the XTR III offered some features that you liked more than Brand X, but because Burris has been unable to ship the XTR III, Brand X has announced and began delivery of a new model that you think is just as good if not better with the XTR III so now you will stick with that brand/model. Where your example above is flawed is with automobiles that lose 50% of their value once you drive them off the lot, most of these high end optics hold most of their value and if it's a popular model may only lose about 10% (depending on how good of a deal you got to begin with).

Let's say I decide to buy a Nightforce NX8 today because I'm tired of waiting for the XTR III to come out, but 3 months from now Burris is finally shipping the XTR III and I find out it has better IQ, parallax and DOF (something that may mean a lot to me), I don't think I'll lose much by selling the NX8 and purchasing the XTR III if I truly felt it would give me an advantage. (I bring this up because this is something I have considered of late )

 

[generalzip]

They are building these scopes in Colorado as we speak. Production is under way. There will be scopes to sell by Shot Show. Shortly thereafter the production numbers will be pretty good, so they will be working hard to get these in people's hands in 2019.

Illuminated models along with the 5.5-30 will be later in 2019. Fingers crossed that we see them in the fall. I also want one of these for hunting. Its rare to actually need it, but it's nice to have if the situation calls for it.

Sooo where are there again?

 

[Moose]

Take your time and get it right Burris and you will make some serious cash with these.Plenty of other stuff I can buy while I'm waiting.I am happy ZC took there time with the 4X20 because I just love mine.

 

[Moose]

Thank you for the update.

 

[ForgeValley]

Anymore news on a release?

 

[ForgeValley]

5.5-30x56s hitting the shelves this month. They are undergoing QC right now with some of them in the wild. Jose Gardner won a PRS competition with one last weekend.

And if I'm not mistaken, the 3.3-18x50 has some expected deliveries in September. Hopefully some folks are able to grab one for hunting season.

Great, can't wait to see how the 3.3s are received.

 

[Sbc350]

I have owned 2 xtr2 scopes (a 1-5 and a 3-15) and other than some CA if your eye isn’t centered, I didn’t think the glass was quite as bad as everyone says........at least not on the smaller models that i owned. But the xtr2 is as tough as nails and mechanically sound, and I can’t wait to check out the xtr3....especially since they are supposed to be made in America.

 

[koshkin]

I am a little more interested in the 3.3-18x, but I will try to get my hands on whichever comes out first.

ILya