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Agree with this, but I feel a comparison still will be very interesting, IMHO.Who knows but they have made a serious mistake when nx8s are already shipping
I think initially they are going to take a big hit because of it. Talking to people in the prs community. There were quiet a few people talking about getting a xtr3 now those same people are talking about getting an nx8. They will loose the sales that they had because it's the new kid on the blockI honestly dont think the NX8 release matters much. They are going to be sharing the market regardless of who hits the shelves first. And I seriously doubt anyone will have trouble moving the XTR3 if it's a quality optic.
Some folks will go with the one they like best. Lots of people will buy the Nightforce just because it says Nightforce on the side. The scope market has plenty of room for a good solid scope to sell well.
But you aren't factoring in the people who sell the NX8's to buy the XTR III's when they do come out. Seriously, I just don't see the NF competing at the same level as the XTR III just because they are close to the same price point, the XTR III is a 5.5x mag range while the NX8 is an 8x mag range - there are just too many compromises to make for NF to build an 8x mag range scope and sell at the $2k price point, my guess is that many early adopters will realize these limitations soon enough. But as you mentioned, Birddog, the fact that it says NF will probably be enough to keep those scopes hot on the market even if the XTR III is better. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the NX8 will be worthless, I'm just saying at its price point there are some compromises that had to be made and I think those compromises will be more than what we see in the XTR III. If I'm wrong and the NX8 turns out to punch way above its class optically then kudo's to NF, but I will reserve that judgement until they get into unbiased hands for a competent review.I think initially they are going to take a big hit because of it. Talking to people in the prs community. There were quiet a few people talking about getting a xtr3 now those same people are talking about getting an nx8. They will loose the sales that they had because it's the new kid on the block
Would love to get my hands on one and see if it lives up to my unrealistic expectations
I just realized something in your pictures DT. Who makes that monster bipod in the pic with your trophy? I have not seen one with that long of leg extensions, I made some extensions for my Atlas with some oak dowels, but I'm thinking what you have is probably more sturdy. Also, the second pic of you (or your teammate?) shooting off the rock, brilliant using the tripod with a bag on top for stabilizing!Back on topic. Got to use the XTR 3-18 in my last 3 matches. Steel Safari (3rd) NRL Smith Ranch (10th) and this past weekend my teammate and I shot one of the better matches we've shot and took the win. Competition Dynamics puts on the best smoothest run match year after year. LOOK THEM UP. You will not be disappointed for a truly individual match. Love them.
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Again, the FOV cant be stressed enough when looking for targets under time duress. ALso, a noticable difference from the old XTR2, the glass is really nice. For both field matches, there were several targets that were very hard to locate in shadows and in front of and in bushes that just popped out.
Its hard not to gush on this scope, esp if they hit the street well under the $2k mark. Now if they can just get them shipping to the public!!
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3-18 with sunshade still shorter than both my Minox and S&B
Regards,
DT
Who makes that monster bipod in the pic with your trophy?
This is a common theme of late, announce early, get everyone excited, but don't deliver until later. I think the Nikon NX8 is the only one that has surprised me with their quick release.Well… Burris... We're waiting
This is a common theme of late, announce early, get everyone excited, but don't deliver until later. I think the Nikon NX8 is the only one that has surprised me with their quick release.
I agree, in fact, Burris knows all about this from the XTR II release, they had a number of QC/QA issues coming out the door that really hurt the long term, if the XTR III takes an extra 3 months to release but releases as a stellar optic without issues from the get go, well that is well worth the wait for me.Based on history of early release of product not quite ready for prime time, if even the remotest or smallest QC issue was present, I’d much rather see a Mfg focus on corrective action than constantly updating their status on a moment/moment basis. And rework is 2-3x as expensive as doing it right once , as well as avoiding the PR of premature release of a flawed product. That learning curve is steep, and a climb you’d only want to make once.
So help me understand, Burris announces XTR III in late 2018, Burris has not delivered the scope by mid 2019 so you buy another scope instead, but you think it would be better if Burris never announced the scope at all, but instead announced it at 2020 SHOT Show with 10,000 units ready to ship. So because Burris announced it early you are not going to buy it? I guess I'm trying to understand the logic of how can Burris be losing out by announcing in 2018 vs announcing once they have a large enough stock on hand? Don't get me wrong, I understand we can get frustrated when there are delays, but I don't see how this is hurting Burris sales? If they announced the scope in 2020 aren't they still "losing" out on sales in 2019, so how are they worse off?So much for using it this year. Just a guess, I’m thinking someone will come out with a new scope come shot show 2020. Most people still won’t get the XTR 3 in their hands before that news. In turn the new scope will come out quickly like the NF MIL-XT did. Being able to use it for the 2020 season. This killing the XTR 3 sales.
I was hoping to get one or two of these but have since gotten tired of the wait and bought some other companies scope. I’m figuring if I have done this many others have too. Not being prepared loses the race.
They would have been better off to have 10,000 units done sitting in the warehouse, then releasing it at the 2020 show than to do this.
So help me understand, Burris announces XTR III in late 2018, Burris has not delivered the scope by mid 2019 so you buy another scope instead, but you think it would be better if Burris never announced the scope at all, but instead announced it at 2020 SHOT Show with 10,000 units ready to ship. So because Burris announced it early you are not going to buy it? I guess I'm trying to understand the logic of how can Burris be losing out by announcing in 2018 vs announcing once they have a large enough stock on hand? Don't get me wrong, I understand we can get frustrated when there are delays, but I don't see how this is hurting Burris sales? If they announced the scope in 2020 aren't they still "losing" out on sales in 2019, so how are they worse off?
I think I'm following, but if Chevy never announced their new truck until 2020, when Ford also had a new model that matched it, how would it be different, wouldn't you still stay with Ford? Only if Chevy actually delivered on the new model before Ford ever announced their's would you consider switching, and maybe that is your point - you were going to switch to the Burris XTR III after using Brand X because the XTR III offered some features that you liked more than Brand X, but because Burris has been unable to ship the XTR III, Brand X has announced and began delivery of a new model that you think is just as good if not better with the XTR III so now you will stick with that brand/model. Where your example above is flawed is with automobiles that lose 50% of their value once you drive them off the lot, most of these high end optics hold most of their value and if it's a popular model may only lose about 10% (depending on how good of a deal you got to begin with).I guess I see it a bit differently. Example, when Ford came out with the new body style pickup and a more powerful diesel motor I went and bought it. Now say Chevy tells us that they have a new truck coming out with better fuel mpg and such. So as my Ford is gaining miles on the odometer I’m wanting and waiting on the Chevy. We’ll release date comes and passes with now showing of the Chevy. Finally it’s a year or two later and they are ready to release the Chevy in 2020. Well by this time I’m over the wait and Ford has come up with a new truck that does better on mpg, or whatever it was that Chevy offered. So I’m going to stay with Ford first off they are more reliable with their statements. Plus I’m already familiar with that line of product and not to willing to change companies.
They are building these scopes in Colorado as we speak. Production is under way. There will be scopes to sell by Shot Show. Shortly thereafter the production numbers will be pretty good, so they will be working hard to get these in people's hands in 2019.
Illuminated models along with the 5.5-30 will be later in 2019. Fingers crossed that we see them in the fall. I also want one of these for hunting. Its rare to actually need it, but it's nice to have if the situation calls for it.
5.5-30x56s hitting the shelves this month. They are undergoing QC right now with some of them in the wild. Jose Gardner won a PRS competition with one last weekend.
And if I'm not mistaken, the 3.3-18x50 has some expected deliveries in September. Hopefully some folks are able to grab one for hunting season.
I am a little more interested in the 3.3-18x, but I will try to get my hands on whichever comes out first.
ILya
Also, for those who might discount the XTR III 5.5-30x56 because it is 5.5x on the low end, take a look at the FOV numbers and you'll find the 5.5-30 actually has greater FOV than many 5-25's at the low end. For me, FOV almost always trumps magnification making this a viable option for those who might be more used to 5-25 scopes.I am a little more interested in the 3.3-18x, but I will try to get my hands on whichever comes out first.
ILya
Can you disclose who the vendors are that will be getting the 5.5x30? I think one might be right at home on a 22LR trainer I am going to finish in the next few weeks...5.5-30x56s hitting the shelves this month. They are undergoing QC right now with some of them in the wild. Jose Gardner won a PRS competition with one last weekend.
And if I'm not mistaken, the 3.3-18x50 has some expected deliveries in September. Hopefully some folks are able to grab one for hunting season.
Can you disclose who the vendors are that will be getting the 5.5x30? I think one might be right at home on a 22LR trainer I am going to finish in the next few weeks...
Are you wondering which vendors will be getting the XTR III scopes? I would imagine every vendor who has orders with Burris will have access to order, but maybe you're asking which vendor will be getting the "first" orders and for that you will need to contact Burris directly and see if they can provide any insight. I would also check with the following Hide vendors (in no particular order) Jason at eurooptic.com (@Baner), Richard at cstactical.com (@CSTactical), Doug at Cameralandny.com (@gr8fuldoug) and Marshall at sportoptics (@MarshalC_SportOptics ) and Scott at libertyoptics.com (@LibertyOptics ) - all these guys are Burris dealers and are a pleasure to work with, they will treat you right!Can you disclose who the vendors are that will be getting the 5.5x30? I think one might be right at home on a 22LR trainer I am going to finish in the next few weeks...
I would have called it something to get away from the XTR and made more of the fact it’s a USA made scope.
I would have called it something to get away from the XTR and made more of the fact it’s a USA made scope.
I always thought it was a National Park in British ColumbiaIs that what BAMF stands for?