Old Joe's gun control plan

Probably best as each fights according to their ability, I'll get more accomplished that way and you can take the bull headed approach and be the cannon fodder.

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Yes I'm serious boy and perhaps you would profit to listen why.

I don't worry, I analyze, assess , plan and execute. "worrying" consumes too much energy and dulls the senses.

Of course they are trying but that's nothing new. The "specifics' don't matter. The new bill is the same as the old bill.

How you fight it is putting the resources together to make sure the effort fails and stay on it.

Its a fools folly to think they will give up or become reasonable- if a liberal could reason, they wouldn't be a liberal.

So we focus on beating them where it counts.

None of that requires "worrying" and the pen is usually mightier than the sword.

Remember the South thought they could win by virtue of the cause ( even though the North had the industry, money, technology of the day and a whole lot more)

Looked good the first battle of Bull Run but how did it end?

Lets don't make that mistake again
I hope to hell that you don't lead, nobody will follow.
If making a point make it short. In one post you don't care what happens, in another you try and explain it away.
Pick one, or blow it out yer ass!
 
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The bottom line is that all this talk of gun bans, registration, 'buy-backs' and confiscation has to stop. No American politician or candidate for office should be openly advance plans for wholesale confiscation and deprivation of our 2A rights, regardless of what side of the isle they are on. We are not fucking subjects. The sooner we make that clear to these leftist assholes, the better. By whatever means necessary.

Although it may be a challenge getting the message through to Biden since he cant seem to remember what planet he is on half the time.
 
We, the people, are no longer represented by those in Washington. We had the House and Senate as well as the Presidency in Washington and we could not get anything positive for gun owners passed, nothing. We have die hard leftist liberals in the democrat party and 80’s Democrats in the Republican Party. We have no more conservative leaders in Washington will to represent their constituents. Matter of fact most do not represent the will of the people and pass laws based on what THEY think we need, like they are our rulers. Because they refuse to listen to us they no longer represent us. Seems to me this country needs another revolution to ensure we are properly represented. The Tree of Liberty is about to have a growth spurt if they don’t see the writing on the wall.
 
biden like others elected took an oath, if he did not understand what he(or they) swore that oath to, they are unfit to hold office now an was the same when they did. I took the oath many times an fully understood I had just wrote a check to the American people & the COTUS for everything I was, was trained to be an become from said training. That check was payable with my blood, limbs or any body part with the understanding my life was included.
Now for a past VP to stand there an tell me if elected he an his party will side step the COTUS they swore an oath to protect, an remove weapons from me, that is out right treason. It takes 2/3 of the states to change the COTUS. Not some fuck stick in office or hiding behind a bench in a black robe. There are no other words for it pure an simple, except treason. I will not stand by or down while that happens. Those who voice said stance, fall under the domestic part, of that never ending oath. I could give a shit what others do but I will not walk into the rail car. Now as long as we are speaking of treason an domestic terrorists, the bulk of the left fall into that trait, an if they want to push the issue that is up to them. The one thing they all seem to forget is once the rule of law is out the window, the rule of law is out the window until one side taps out. They can spout all the B/S they want but, history proves once the American people get a belly full of shit it will get ugly real quick.( ie Athens Tenn, Phenix city alabama, The Volstead act an a whole host of others) We the men of the nation have set on our ass's while this shit as been allowed to get to where it is to date, we allowed that, no one else. We are also the only ones to correct it, an when it goes hot which will be soon, everyone needs to understand whats going to happen an make their own decision to either lead, follow, or get the fuck out of the way. The fence setters will pay a price on this one as well the I'M just doing my job types. The latter are in for a real surprise,... If you think LAPD was shitting their pants an shooting up grandma over a no name, just wait until what was trained for export only gets into the game, an comes calling.
ALL ENEMY'S FOREIGN AN DOMESTIC,... be very careful of that you wish,... Just because some one held an office does not mean they are excluded from being a DOMESTIC Terrorist.
 
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It kind of depends on if everyone decides to "Nut the fuck up." at the same time or if like has ALWAYS been the case so far, they are hugely successful in their divide and conquer strategy and the rest of the gun owners are more than happy to cluck their heads and say "should have obeyed the law"....

When was the last time anyone got any support when they "Nutted the fuck up" and decided that if they won't let you pay the (probably unconstitutional) tax to make a FA then they would go ahead and do so? Or for that matter the rest of rules.

What about gun owners in Communist states who get arrested over things that the Communist party now says you can't have? Anybody helping them out?

And when the few lone folks do decide to make a stand and get gunned down at their doorstep, do the rest of the gun owners march on the place and arrest "The King's Men" who were "Just following orders" and try them for treason? Or does everyone just say angry things online and wish them sympathies and do nothing.

The problem is that our enemies know that if they can get the laws passed, there is a very good chance they can just go around bumping off folks one at a time with impunity.

Whenever there is an article posted here about some guy that made a stand defending his home/property from the nazi gov and got mowed down as a result, the majority of comments are usually ...."The guy was a nut..." or..."He went about it the wrong way."...."Hes giving gun owners a bad name." Etc etc

Nobody "Nuts the fuck up" anymore except for 1 guy down on his luck and just doesnt give a shit anymore. Nobody going to do shit in numbers until theyre all broke and hungry.
 
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It kind of depends on if everyone decides to "Nut the fuck up." at the same time or if like has ALWAYS been the case so far, they are hugely successful in their divide and conquer strategy and the rest of the gun owners are more than happy to cluck their heads and say "should have obeyed the law"....

When was the last time anyone got any support when they "Nutted the fuck up" and decided that if they won't let you pay the (probably unconstitutional) tax to make a FA then they would go ahead and do so? Or for that matter the rest of rules.

What about gun owners in Communist states who get arrested over things that the Communist party now says you can't have? Anybody helping them out?

And when the few lone folks do decide to make a stand and get gunned down at their doorstep, do the rest of the gun owners march on the place and arrest "The King's Men" who were "Just following orders" and try them for treason? Or does everyone just say angry things online and wish them sympathies and do nothing.

The problem is that our enemies know that if they can get the laws passed, there is a very good chance they can just go around bumping off folks one at a time with impunity.
Whenever there is an article posted here about some guy that made a stand defending his home/property from the nazi gov and got mowed down as a result, the majority of comments are usually ...."The guy was a nut..." or..."He went about it the wrong way."...."Hes giving gun owners a bad name." Etc etc

Nobody "Nuts the fuck up" anymore except for 1 guy down on his luck and just doesnt give a shit anymore. Nobody going to do shit in numbers until theyre all broke and hungry.
Unfortunately these two statements are the true reality. It will be death by a 1000 cuts all over the country.
 
All the groups that get shit done aren't to lazy/ afraid/ etc to show up for a rally/ march/ parade. Groups that do in mass are getting more rights by the day while we get less. I think many of us are individually "ready for it" but by nature don't like the parade idea. Hell, I don't love it myself but we have to get a message across soon and it has to be a SHIT TON of us. We're gonna have to take the step and organize. Gonna have to throw caution to the wind and get behind someone. People who are saying it will continue to be one at a time and looked at as domestic terrorists/ whack jobs by the media are right until we can mass something with serious numbers. Its hard to get behind somebody who you don't fully agree with. All the ORG's have something wonky. Who's the leader/ org we can all get behind and when is the first rally? Do we organize groups by state then head to DC? Im not a political organizer but I'd be happy to join in something that makes sense. Bitching about it here isn't doing shit but apparently further dividing us. The goddamn NRA should be the one putting together a rally but they have/are becoming less pro 2a by the day it seems and people are having a hard time getting behind them anymore. If we got half the NRA members and bunch of you guys that don't want to be "members" of anything to flood DC in a peaceful march for the 2A they would have to start to get the point. Problem is, it would have to be a true million+ of us. I would bet a vast many here aren't willing to make the trek which makes me think they will also be the ones happy to hand em over because its too much effort not to comply. There needs to be a day, in DC, one purpose: don't fuck with the 2A and COTUS! YOU need to spread the word and YOU need to show up. How bout July 4 2020, just throwing it out there. Make a "vacation" of it, take the family. Not my idea of fun but i'll go for the greater good.
 
Whenever there is an article posted here about some guy that made a stand defending his home/property from the nazi gov and got mowed down as a result, the majority of comments are usually ...."The guy was a nut..." or..."He went about it the wrong way."...."Hes giving gun owners a bad name." Etc etc

Nobody "Nuts the fuck up" anymore except for 1 guy down on his luck and just doesnt give a shit anymore. Nobody going to do shit in numbers until theyre all broke and hungry.
Right.
Broke, hungry, & OLD, makes it best to watch what yer fuckin with, I'm heading for 65 yrs old, already
I don't care how many people I would side with, or how many would side with me. An easy way to explain it-

The flicks Gran Torino & the Mule is a good example of how old age makes your opinion & actions the right one.
 
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We as a community generally have two things that prevent us from being effective protest activists:

1) A job
2) A life

The left knows this and is trying to take advantage.
 
We as a community generally have two things that prevent us from being effective protest activists:

1) A job
2) A life

The left knows this and is trying to take advantage.


Yep. I agree whole heartedly. Im not saying it isn't a huge inconvenience/ hassle/ PITA/cost. That said if we don't make it part of, 2) a life, we may be wishing we did.
 
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Yep. I agree whole heartedly. Im not saying it isn't a huge inconvenience/ hassle/ PITA/cost. That said if we don't make it part of, 2) a life, we may be wishing we did.

Absolutely. We have to find new and effective ways to get our overarching message across which means getting out of our comfort zones and being bold, aggressive and assertive on all fronts.

I admit - I have never attended a protest or activist event in my life but that will have to change if I want to keep the liberties I currently have. That’s in addition to materially supporting pro-2A groups more than I have in the past and writing more letters (emails) to representative, etc.
 
We as a community generally have two things that prevent us from being effective protest activists:

1) A job
2) A life
3) Want to keep on NOT having a criminal record so we can keep on buying guns

The left knows this and is trying to take advantage.

Added a very important 3rd point for you:

Which matters A LOT because while the government Purposely turns a blind eye to Communist violence and tells the police to stand down & the courts / prosecutors are all in on letting folks get away with all kinds of crimes if they are communist/democrat/left wing.

You can bet your freedom that those same folks will be nailing you to the wall for any infraction they can find or even made up stuff and will be coming up with crazy things like arresting you for disobeying a lawful order when they are actually issuing unlawful orders violating your constitutional freedom at the time.

Even if both sides were treated the same, the Communists/Anarchists don't care about having criminal records / prohibitions on them, as they never intend to follow the law and just intend to be a burden on society instead.

NOW if you want to have fun.....
How about if we make all the "prohibiting" offenses or conditions or so on that mean you can't buy & carry guns also apply to getting ANY government benefits / services on all levels......
 
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Its all a plot to steel the world toilet paper , yep tp that's what the story is over .

Some may think you are joking.... but the Carbon cult IS coming after your toilet paper, they have stated such.
So if the Greenies take over, think recycled rough news paper to wipe with, before they force you to go with just using your hand.
 
Two thing the communists will have to pry from my cold dead hands:

1) firearms
2) Extra soft toilet paper

I’m sure there are many more but those two are the most relavent to this discussion.
 
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Only if we continue to allow it .

We already continue to allow it. Look at taxes. I am taxed 6 ways to Sunday and they are taking more. This year the road tax went up, my power bill went up because of some kind of gov relief funding that we away, so it’s $40 higher per month than last year. My internet and phone and all went up about $40 as well, the reason, gov fees that didn’t exist 10 years ago. My property taxes went up. As if all the fucking tax money I pay than as it is ain’t enough I have to pay more through fees and other BS. We are already allowing it to happen and they will disarm us and bleed is dry. The time of organize has long passed. We do need to do something in force, now. I keep getting squeezed yet haven’t had a significant raise in 10 years.

All the groups that get shit done aren't to lazy/ afraid/ etc to show up for a rally/ march/ parade. Groups that do in mass are getting more rights by the day while we get less. I think many of us are individually "ready for it" but by nature don't like the parade idea. Hell, I don't love it myself but we have to get a message across soon and it has to be a SHIT TON of us. We're gonna have to take the step and organize. Gonna have to throw caution to the wind and get behind someone. People who are saying it will continue to be one at a time and looked at as domestic terrorists/ whack jobs by the media are right until we can mass something with serious numbers. Its hard to get behind somebody who you don't fully agree with. All the ORG's have something wonky. Who's the leader/ org we can all get behind and when is the first rally? Do we organize groups by state then head to DC? Im not a political organizer but I'd be happy to join in something that makes sense. Bitching about it here isn't doing shit but apparently further dividing us. The goddamn NRA should be the one putting together a rally but they have/are becoming less pro 2a by the day it seems and people are having a hard time getting behind them anymore. If we got half the NRA members and bunch of you guys that don't want to be "members" of anything to flood DC in a peaceful march for the 2A they would have to start to get the point. Problem is, it would have to be a true million+ of us. I would bet a vast many here aren't willing to make the trek which makes me think they will also be the ones happy to hand em over because its too much effort not to comply. There needs to be a day, in DC, one purpose: don't fuck with the 2A and COTUS! YOU need to spread the word and YOU need to show up. How bout July 4 2020, just throwing it out there. Make a "vacation" of it, take the family. Not my idea of fun but i'll go for the greater good.

Agreed. And if the NRA really gave a shit they’d be organizing one. That’s why I only give them the minimum each year cause my ranges require it. But, there is a march planned, I posted a link to it the other day. It’s planned for 11/2. I’ll see if I can find it again and repost the link in a minute.

Here are some links to the rally. Anyone local or semi local especially has zero reason not to go.



We as a community generally have two things that prevent us from being effective protest activists:

1) A job
2) A life

The left knows this and is trying to take advantage.

Damn straight they are. But at some point we have to make sacrifices to uphold and keep what we have. The BOR is just paper. Someone has to enforce it and fight to keep it.
 
Thanks for the links.

Damnit. Right in the middle of hunting season! That wasn't a well thought out date. That takes a bunch of people out of it. I don't have a 3rd season hunt this year though.

I'll have to read up on the agenda. Assuming its not planned for a a cold dead hands/ armed so we get arrested type rally I might have to burn a few days. Anybody wanna carpool from CO? Straight thru, camp, rally, straight through home?

Its getting bad when I, who absolutely despise the city/traffic/ people these days, am actually thinking of doing this. Can't imagine what a complete shitshow it would be trying to park etc in DC.
 
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Why the fuck would you hide your shit . Nut the fuck up .This is straight up Nazi shit . If your neighbor is a Jew rat them out . I cannot find the quote so I'll paraphrase . If only we had founght with what we had . And made them afraid that they would not go home at night . Somebody help me with this . I mean really , show of hands . Who wants to live on their fuckin knees . And do you think for a moment that once your gun is gone that your 401k and savings don't go to the buy in . Do you think for a second that we dont see 70% taxes . Your right to vote , your property , your freedom , everything you've ever fuckin worked for doesn't evaporate. Wake the fuck up .
It kind of depends on if everyone decides to "Nut the fuck up." at the same time or if like has ALWAYS been the case so far, they are hugely successful in their divide and conquer strategy and the rest of the gun owners are more than happy to cluck their heads and say "should have obeyed the law"....

When was the last time anyone got any support when they "Nutted the fuck up" and decided that if they won't let you pay the (probably unconstitutional) tax to make a FA then they would go ahead and do so? Or for that matter the rest of rules.

What about gun owners in Communist states who get arrested over things that the Communist party now says you can't have? Anybody helping them out?

And when the few lone folks do decide to make a stand and get gunned down at their doorstep, do the rest of the gun owners march on the place and arrest "The King's Men" who were "Just following orders" and try them for treason? Or does everyone just say angry things online and wish them sympathies and do nothing.

The problem is that our enemies know that if they can get the laws passed, there is a very good chance they can just go around bumping off folks one at a time with impunity.
Gun owners eat their own and are infested with a bunch of statists.

You get in trouble for talking bad about the state or its enforcers on "conservative" gun forums. We are done.

Fudds/statist/large percentage of gun owners don't like freedom.
 
It’s going to come down to one thing;

Will enough fight to make this too painful to continue.

Just like in the Gulag Archiaepalaego, once realized that had regular people put the fear of ‘what if’ into those sent to enforce someone else’s laws, it would have ended very quickly.

Remember, we re in a society that can’t withstand losses of life for very long before they start to change their minds about the cost of things.
 
Our government has already tried taking something away - prohibition - and the “unintended consequences” were a doubling of the violence and crime it was supposed to end..... but it took 13 years of bloodshed before they figured it out. The rich and connected got to do what they wanted anyway. The criminals capitalized on it and created crime empires because of it. Normal Joes just paid for it on the new underground black market - so nobody went without. Many people were shot down in the streets - including lots of law enforcement people. And the government lost out on millions and millions of tax dollars as a result as well. And for what again?

Joe’s plan would have the same result X10.
But it sure wouldn’t go on for 13 friggin’ years!
 
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