Rifle Scopes ZCO Hunter scope at the IWA event

CSTactical · Mar 4, 2023

Hey guys, there's a new ZCO Hunter scope being released at the IWA event for the European market. I figured that I would answer some questions before the rumors spread.

This is a European scope only for now
It's not being released very soon.
A United States based version is not coming right away as the design will most likely be different.

http://www.zcompoptic.com/images/downloads/ZC%20Hunter%20ENG.pdf

BurtG · Mar 4, 2023

Is this going to be the one and done ?

Or are they still coming out with a more tac style 2.5-12 / 3-15 ish ?

CSTactical · Mar 4, 2023

BurtG said:
Is this going to be the one and done ?

Or are they still coming out with a more tac style 2.5-12 / 3-15 ish ?

NO
Maybe

BurtG · Mar 4, 2023

That was 2 questions wth

CSTactical · Mar 4, 2023

BurtG said:
That was 2 questions wth

I answered everything in the first post, there is really no information than that.

TheOE800 · Mar 4, 2023

How…Swaro.

CSTactical · Mar 4, 2023

TheOE800 said:
How…Swaro.

It's not coming here, so...

jbuck88 · Mar 4, 2023

Nice. Hopefully more to come.

surgeon260 · Mar 4, 2023

I don't understand the 36mm tube on a hunting scope.

Bacarrat · Mar 4, 2023

The turret to scope body ratio makes it look like it skipped leg day. ZCO were ugly before but that just looks way off.

jbuck88 · Mar 4, 2023

surgeon260 said:
I don't understand the 36mm tube on a hunting scope.

This. Hopefully they will get something figured out.

Rio Precision Gunworks · Mar 4, 2023

surgeon260 said:
I don't understand the 36mm tube on a hunting scope.

It still comes in at 28oz.

That's only 2oz more than a leupold mk5 3.5-18. So you wouldn't lose much weight with a smaller tube here.

Leebedford · Mar 4, 2023

#import lol

Glassaholic · Mar 4, 2023

CSTactical said:
Hey guys, there's a new ZCO Hunter scope being released at the IWA event for the European market. I figured that I would answer some questions before the rumors spread.

This is a European scope only for now

It's not being released very soon.

A United States based version is not coming right away as the design will most likely be different.

http://www.zcompoptic.com/images/downloads/ZC%20Hunter%20ENG.pdf

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ZCO was started by Jeff Huber here in the states so I’m a little baffled at why only European market??? This scope would be highly sought after over here (except for the 36mm tube)

CSTactical · Mar 4, 2023

Glassaholic said:
ZCO was started by Jeff Huber here in the states so I’m a little baffled at why only European market??? This scope would be highly sought after over here (except for the 36mm tube)

Yes but Jeff runs ZCO USA with huge input on ZCO Austria, but ZCO Austria sometimes caters directly to the European market.

BurtG · Mar 4, 2023

Why wouldn’t they ship them here if there were orders ?

CSTactical · Mar 4, 2023

BurtG said:
Why wouldn’t they ship them here if there were orders ?

Maybe because there is a separate scope or scopes made for the US market, and supply chain issues makes it difficult to just make everything all the time. Hence the ZC840’s taking a long time to get back in stock for waiting customers

jbuck88 · Mar 4, 2023

Yes. Kinda like the Schmidt dual focal reticle.

beetroot · Mar 4, 2023

clefairy said:
1,7-12?

What does the 1 mean? 1 power and 7x through 12?

Yeah it's like the Leupold DEVO, pretty slick.

ohiofarmer · Mar 4, 2023

I’m excited for ZCO’s lower magnification hunter/crossover here in the states, but in the meantime I’ll enjoy the humor caused by a comma!

Glassaholic · Mar 4, 2023

Is there any hope the USA version will have a 34mm tube?

.

TheOE800 · Mar 4, 2023

Glassaholic said:
Is there any hope the USA version will have a 34mm tube? .

Stop trying to make 36mm tubes happen ~~Gretchen~~ Jeff! They’re never going to happen!

BurtG · Mar 4, 2023

Why you want puny little weak 34mm tubes ?

36 is best mm

ZCO block mount is best mount

Baron23 · Mar 4, 2023

clefairy said:
1,7-12?

What does the 1 mean? 1 power and 7x through 12?

In Europe and perhaps elsewhere they use a comma instead of a period mark so no…it means 1.7-12.

rlsmith1 · Mar 4, 2023

This is smart, learn from this scope and produce something better for us! 7x erector is pretty cool. Is this dual focal or available in first or second focal plane?

If this were released to the US everyone would say “so close” but I’m excited they will release something else here. That means ZCO has been listening… hopefully

TheOE800 · Mar 4, 2023

BurtG said:
Why you want puny little weak 34mm tubes ?

36 is best mm

ZCO block mount is best mount

This is America. 35mm is the best tube. So says preeminent optics giant and innovator Leupold!

Obi-WanKannoli · Mar 4, 2023

clefairy said:
1,7-12?

What does the 1 mean? 1 power and 7x through 12?

It's 1.7-12. Europeans use , instead of . as in 2.451,01 = 2,451.01.

beetroot · Mar 4, 2023

Glassaholic said:
Is there any hope the USA version will have a 34mm tube? .

Since when are things smaller in the USA?
It'll be 40mm for sure.

jbuck88 · Mar 4, 2023

Fingers crossed for a 30mm tube. Don't need a 34mm on a 12x scope. Let alone 36mm.

Clownbuster · Mar 4, 2023

Clownbuster · Mar 4, 2023

Glassaholic · Mar 4, 2023

beetroot said:
Since when are things smaller in the USA?
It'll be 40mm for sure.

You’re thinking of Texas, not all USA like that, Kalifornia and New York like it pretty small

308pirate · Mar 4, 2023

Bacarrat said:
The turret to scope body ratio makes it look like it skipped leg day. ZCO were ugly before but that just looks way off.

Gay

Clownbuster · Mar 4, 2023

I could get excited about some fresh Vortex AMG-level, price and weight 30mm hunting scope options, 4-26ish power that sports a body long enough to properly mount on a lightweight long action bolt. No, the LHT did not hit the mark...

Jakeweb09 · Mar 4, 2023

I don’t understand why nobody wants the 36mm tube. Do y’all have any idea how light the tubes actually are. I don’t think it’s Saving you much going to a 30mm. Zco makes some of the best scopes on the planet. I would buy one tomorrow if they were coming to us here in the US. I’ve been dying just this scope. Like a mark5 but better in every way.

Rio Precision Gunworks · Mar 4, 2023

Glassaholic said:
ZCO was started by Jeff Huber here in the states so I’m a little baffled at why only European market??? This scope would be highly sought after over here (except for the 36mm tube)

There’s more to ZCO than just Jeff’s ownership in the US and such.

It’s an international company. That’s the cliff notes version.

TTEG33 · Mar 5, 2023

the zco 2-16 meme coming true lol

Rio Precision Gunworks · Mar 5, 2023

For comparison sake think AI-England vs AINA

Same company, but different products/variations for their respective markets.

Glassaholic · Mar 5, 2023

Jakeweb09 said:
I don’t understand why nobody wants the 36mm tube. Do y’all have any idea how light the tubes actually are. I don’t think it’s Saving you much going to a 30mm. Zco makes some of the best scopes on the planet. I would buy one tomorrow if they were coming to us here in the US. I’ve been dying just this scope. Like a mark5 but better in every way.

Because I hate buying proprietary or dedicated mounts that won't work with 98% of my other scopes. I do not see the advantage that 36mm is supposed to give compared to other 34mm designs, if someone could identify what that advantage is then please do (and if you tell me it's for better edge to edge sharpness at max elevation I have evidence to prove otherwise, and if you tell me because it offers more travel then, again, I have evidence to prove otherwise). Understand this is simply personal preference, sometimes I swap my scopes around and my mounts around to different rifles. It's like going over to a friends house to play Legos and I bring Megabloks, eveyone else brought Legos, but I can't play with them cause I have some stupid proprietary brand.

PS - I have the same issue with Leupold's 35mm tube with their Mark 5, the 35mm tube does nothing for the scope except make it a pain for those who like to swap stuff around.

BurtG · Mar 5, 2023

TTEG33 said:
the zco 2-16 meme coming true lol

BurtG · Mar 5, 2023

Glassaholic said:
Because I hate buying proprietary or dedicated mounts that won't work with 98% of my other scopes. I do not see the advantage that 36mm is supposed to give compared to other 34mm designs, if someone could identify what that advantage is then please do (and if you tell me it's for better edge to edge sharpness at max elevation I have evidence to prove otherwise, and if you tell me because it offers more travel then, again, I have evidence to prove otherwise). Understand this is simply personal preference, sometimes I swap my scopes around and my mounts around to different rifles. It's like going over to a friends house to play Legos and I bring Megabloks, eveyone else brought Legos, but I can't play with them cause I have some stupid proprietary brand.

PS - I have the same issue with Leupold's 35mm tube with their Mark 5, the 35mm tube does nothing for the scope except make it a pain for those who like to swap stuff around.

I’m sure it’s just cause they’re dumbasses. Nothing to do with strength/weight/travel etc

Glassaholic · Mar 5, 2023

BurtG said:
I’m sure it’s just cause they’re dumbasses. Nothing to do with strength/weight/travel etc

Leupold yes, but not ZCO

I think ZCO truly had a design intent that played out well in design but didn't necessarily hold true in real world use.

jbuck88 · Mar 5, 2023

We don't need 35mil of adjustment in this style of hunting scope. So a 36mm just adds unnecessary bulk without much advantage for the intended use.

There is a huge difference between a 30mm and 34mm scope on a hunting rifle. If your using a heavy rifle for long range shooting, weight won't be a huge factor so your not gaining anything over the 4-20 ZCO or multiple other scopes.

But for a compact or lightweight rifle where you are going to be OK with a 12x scope. You are prioritizing weight and size this doesn't add much if anything.

CSTactical · Mar 5, 2023

This thread is going exactly how I expected,
SMH

-Richard

jbuck88 · Mar 5, 2023

CSTactical said:
This thread is going exactly how I expected,
SMH

-Richard

Would you expect any less?

b6graham · Mar 5, 2023

36mm
capped turrets
10oz heavier than similar scopes

sign me up

CSTactical · Mar 5, 2023

jbuck88 said:
Would you expect any less?

No, which is why I jumped in front of it as soon as the scope became public on the hide. Saves me 40 hours on the phone for this product that’s not being released here.

-Richard

TTEG33 · Mar 5, 2023

Glassaholic said:
Because I hate buying proprietary or dedicated mounts that won't work with 98% of my other scopes. I do not see the advantage that 36mm is supposed to give compared to other 34mm designs, if someone could identify what that advantage is then please do (and if you tell me it's for better edge to edge sharpness at max elevation I have evidence to prove otherwise, and if you tell me because it offers more travel then, again, I have evidence to prove otherwise). Understand this is simply personal preference, sometimes I swap my scopes around and my mounts around to different rifles. It's like going over to a friends house to play Legos and I bring Megabloks, eveyone else brought Legos, but I can't play with them cause I have some stupid proprietary brand.

PS - I have the same issue with Leupold's 35mm tube with their Mark 5, the 35mm tube does nothing for the scope except make it a pain for those who like to swap stuff around.

First gen Zeiss V8, hensoldt 3.5-26x56 and blaser use 36mm, my speculation is that this might has something to do with eyebox on scopes with a high erector ratio? Hopefully DLO can chime in to give us a more educated answer.

BurtG · Mar 5, 2023

Non capped elevation

Sue Leupold invalidate that patent , use a zero hold button

CSTactical · Mar 5, 2023

TTEG33 said:
First gen Zeiss V8, hensoldt 3.5-26x56 and blaser use 36mm, my speculation is that this might has something to do with eyebox on scopes with a high erector ratio? Hopefully DLO can chime in to give us a more educated answer.

And the new TT 7-35 uses a 36mm tube…

No matter how knowledgeable we think we are on the forums at times, we don’t know everything that goes into the overall design unless you talk to those involved. I attempt to learn as much as I can everyday from SME’s on different subjects in this related industry.

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