What is Decivilization?

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“The Biden administration, with assent from California politicos, bureaucrats, Indian tribes, and green activists, is partnering with the state to destroy four major dams on Northern California’s Klamath River. Their ostensible idea is to facilitate better salmon runs, in part due to concessions to Native American lobbyists.

The government brags that the dismantling will mark the greatest destruction of dams in history—as if 1984-like regress is progress. Note: this will likely start a trend. So expect to see more dam busting in our future, especially in the Pacific Northwest where dams, hydroelectric power, flood control, and irrigation created the region’s 20th-century prosperity.

Such radical environmentalism might make sense if California was underpopulated, enjoying a budget surplus, blessed with excess water capacity, exporting electricity, and not subject to wild cycles of drought and flooding.

But the reality is that blowing up dams is about the worst policy the state could adopt given present realities of a water-short, 41-million-person state that each night imports huge amounts of electricity, suffers from alternating droughts and floods, and enjoys beautiful man-made recreation lakes for millions of middle and lower-middle class residents in its northern and eastern mountain ranges.

The state downplays these concerns, claiming the dams are of little value for flood control or for ensuring water supplies, and provide a mere 70-80,000 homes electricity, etc. etc., while the region’s surrounding population seems clearly opposed to the destructions.

So the Klamath nihilist project is a sort of mammoth California Water Project in reverse. It will jump-start a larger process of undoing the century of dam, reservoir, and aqueduct building that made viable the California anomaly of two-thirds of the population living where one-third of the precipitation falls.

In another Orwellian twist, over half of the money needed to blow up the dams will come from a California water bond once passed by voters on the misinformation and disinformation that it would likely go to building more dams for water storage. Or as NPR gleefully put it, the cost is covered, “with another $250 million from a California voter-approved water bond.”In California, a water bond translates into destroying water projects.

Dam busting is but a tiny part of a larger decivilization project wrought by elites who experiment on the middle class as if they were white rats in a university lab, with the proviso that the architects of chaos never assume they will never experience the blowback themselves.

Have you noticed who suffered from the lockdowns? Amazon, or mom-and-pop stores? Did Dr. Fauci worry about the millions who lost two years of their schooling and have never caught up? Did the criminologist at Harvard or Stanford who dreamed up critical legal theory or emasculating the police ever live in the inner city?

So what do defunding the police, outlawing clean-burning natural gas heaters and cooktops, allowing the homeless to take over the streets of major American cities, where storm drains send untreated feces and urine out to the nearby bay, destroying the southern border, and ceding on Saturday night entire swaths of the inner American city to Wild West shootouts, in which both the shooter and shot are never prosecuted, have in common?

Nihilism.

Ask yourself: who is more likely to be prosecuted: a criminal in nocturnal Chicago on a Saturday night who murders a bystander or a bystander who marched peacefully on January 6 and never entered the Capitol?

What drives this decivilizational impulse?

The age-old banes of Western civilization: affluence and leisure that convince postmodern societies that all the hard work of earlier civilization—ensuring fertility, security, plentiful food, clean water for urban use and irrigation for food production, public health that requires clean and safe streets—function as if on automatic pilot. The 1950s gave us safe water treatment plants, the 2020s gave us the new green idea of hosing feces-strewn runoff from the sidewalks to the storm drains to the oceans.

Our best and brightest must assume that our ancestors were never starving, facing constant epidemics, short of clean water, or without security at night, and so sacrificed to build and invest and ensure that their progenies might have what they did not.

The architects of decivilization are the supposed elites who come out of our purported top schools, with allegedly impressive alphabetic degrees after their names. A Pete Buttigieg is a good example of their pomposity and incompetence, as he lectures us about racist freeway clover-leaf ramps, but cannot deal with an imploding air travel industry, near-miss jet collisions, precivilizational violence on subways, blocked ports, and cargo ships stacked out to the horizon.

In other words, they are the academic“scientists” and “experts” who craft our homeless policies, defund our police, decriminalize shoplifting and carjacking, ban natural gas, and dream up mass lockdowns and quarantines (“follow the science”).

But they themselves prove quite unimpressive characters—with little or no common sense, questionable aptitude, but plenty of hubris.

In other words, our experts are those who subsidized gain-of-function viral research in Wuhan under the auspices of the People’s Liberation Army, insisted that herd immunity is of negligible value in battling COVID, planned the skedaddle from Afghanistan, bragged about their California high-speed-rail future, gave us modern monetary theory that pooh-poohed $31 trillion in aggregate debt, and laughed at broken-windows theories as they turned the subways and rails of a once safe New York, San Francisco, and Los Angeles into something out of the era of the 1870s train robberies.

A final note to this epidemic of decivilization.

Have you noticed that our elites never apologize, never concede, never express remorse? A John Kerry wants to take away gas hot water heaters, but not Gulfstreams. Gavin Newsom would put you in jail for “not following the science” if you did not wear a mask in a park but had no problem dining while maskless with lobbyist contributors at the tony French Laundry.

If Bay Area scientists don’t believe in dams, then why do they not cut off the vast water transfers via the California aqueduct and the Hetch Hetchy lines into the San Francisco-San Jose 8-million-person corridor?

Jack Smith may well put military veteran and Trump-aid Walt Nauta in prison for claiming “I don’t know” when asked about the movement of presidential papers at Mar-a-Lago, but he would never indict an admitted liar like former CIA Director Brennan or former interim FBI Director McCabe.

So decivilization is also a synonym for a bankrupt elite who believes the floodwaters they unleash will never drown themselves.”

By: Victor Davis Hanson​
 
these bastards truly believe there's too many people and thus create policies to make it economically unfeasible to have a large family. They've crafted family laws to encourage divorce and discourage forming a family with God as the head and the wife submitting to the husband and the children submitting to the wife. Schools are graduating students who can't read and can't perform basic math skills. The largest employer in the US is the government. They the elites truly want communism and it makes sense for them: they can enjoy their power without EVER having to listen to us mere plebians. Anyone who speaks out can be arrested. Our "rights" are a joke now.
 
these bastards truly believe there's too many people and thus create policies to make it economically unfeasible to have a large family. They've crafted family laws to encourage divorce and discourage forming a family with God as the head and the wife submitting to the husband and the children submitting to the wife. Schools are graduating students who can't read and can't perform basic math skills. The largest employer in the US is the government. They the elites truly want communism and it makes sense for them: they can enjoy their power without EVER having to listen to us mere plebians. Anyone who speaks out can be arrested. Our "rights" are a joke now.
Now imagine having the mindset to be a police officer whose job it is to serve and protect these evil men while making sure their twisted agendas get implemented. This is true regardless if the individual officer understands his part in this evil or not. Enforcing the laws of tyrants does nothing more than cause the law biding to sit idle so evil can rule. We seen it play out during the covid theft and murders. We are seeing it play out with the political prisoners of Jan 6th and the political prosecution of Trump and his allies. Why do you think people watched their business and homes burn during the recent riots? They didn’t fear the mob. They fear the gov’ts police and this is all it takes for the world to burn. Look at the attacks on children’s minds. Why are parents sitting by why their children's souls are being a used? Do they fear the pedophiles? Nope. They fear repercussions from the state which start at the hands of the police. This logic can be applied to the evils illustrated in the OP’s opening post. Any steps that would be necessary to rid the world of this evil would put the righteous head to head with the badged enforcers of tyranny.

I’m all ears for how or why I am wrong as this same process repeats all throughout history. The kings men and the gov’t they serve have never been on the right side of these events. They are and have been always the oppressors. Unfortunately technology is advancing enough that things are happening worldwide all at the same time and there may be a final enslavement. Chains will be digital and infinite. Propaganda campaigns have brainwashed people to accept that they should be ruled by the gun and that there is no other way. It’s sad and eventually it will be too late to bring about change.
 
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I think there is another reason at play here as well: if California cannot hold the populace that enters illegally, wouldn't it be a better idea to go into the border states that can? And then have them be permanently democratic/socialist?

California is already bankrupt. The mass exodus is already hitting the coffers, so its already written in stone that we as a country will have to absorb the liabilities of the state government. This will guarantee it. California gets off scott free, the other borader states go socialist and then go broke too through liberal voting and social programs.
 
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Nihilism arises from complacent lazy idiots who had grown accustomed to conveniences, and being coddled and enabled by either their parents or likeminded friends. With no ambitions left in life and no motivation to see beyond their safe spaces, these adult babies retreat into fantasy worlds where they are great philosophers and everybody follows them. That is how nihilism and marxism is born. Both Karl Marx and Frederich Nietszhe were pampered, complacent, socially awkward, and extremely coddled narcissists living in the carefree sex, arts, drugs, and absinthe atmosphere of Bavaria, which many consider the very first hippie commune in history.

Meanwhile on the other side of the world, men like Samuel Walker and Davy Crockett were bashing the skulls of Mexican soldiers and Comanche braves in order to carve even a slice of desperate existence for the tiny American settlements in Texas facing near annihilation. If Marx and Crockett had ever met face to face, the former would have very likely got the flat of a Bowie knife knocking out most of his teeth on the left side of his face...

Nihilism and socialism: The definition of "The Devil finds work for idle hands".
 
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Now imagine having the mindset to be a police officer whose job it is to serve and protect these evil men while making sure their twisted agendas get implemented. This is true regardless if the individual officer understands his part in this evil or not. Enforcing the laws of tyrants does nothing more than cause the law biding to sit idle so evil can rule. We seen it play out during the covid theft and murders. We are seeing it play out with the political prisoners of Jan 6th and the political prosecution of Trump and his allies. Why do you think people watched their business and homes burn during the recent riots? They didn’t fear the mob. They fear the gov’ts police and this is all it takes for the world to burn. Look at the attacks on children’s minds. Why are parents sitting by why their children's souls are being a used? Do they fear the pedophiles? Nope. They fear repercussions from the state which start at the hands of the police. This logic can be applied to the evils illustrated in the OP’s opening post. Any steps that would be necessary to rid the world of this evil would put the righteous head to head with the badged enforcers of tyranny.

I’m all ears for how or why I am wrong as this same process repeats all throughout history. The kings men and the gov’t they serve have never been on the right side of these events. They are and have been always the oppressors. Unfortunately technology is advancing enough that things are happening worldwide all at the same time and there may be a final enslavement. Chains will be digital and infinite. Propaganda campaigns have brainwashed people to accept that they should be ruled by the gun and that there is no other way. It’s sad and eventually it will be too late to bring about change.
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these bastards truly believe there's too many people and thus create policies to make it economically unfeasible to have a large family. They've crafted family laws to encourage divorce and discourage forming a family with God as the head and the wife submitting to the husband and the children submitting to the wife. Schools are graduating students who can't read and can't perform basic math skills. The largest employer in the US is the government. They the elites truly want communism and it makes sense for them: they can enjoy their power without EVER having to listen to us mere plebians. Anyone who speaks out can be arrested. Our "rights" are a joke now.
A "polite" disagreement that they don't really want to depopulate the planet. (aka its not a 'willful conspiracy' they aren't really that smart)

The problem is the elite aren't effected by the dictats. THEY don't run out of water or electricity, They have plenty of money to pay absorbent fees. Their kids are educated privately and they are protected by private security. In essence, they are the new "Aristocracy" while the plebes/serfs (thats us) suffer from their rules. So in their minds, for the betterment of nature--blow up the dam! It makes them feel good and they suffer no ill consequences.

YOU (and I) suffer the consequences.

Its very much "Rich men north of Richmond" to use a cliche'
 
Not at all. I expanded on some of what was said in the article and interjected real speak instead of being politically correct which only neuters and disempowers conversation. What I said fits quite well if the man reading gets past the water dam part of the article. Clearly you didn’t.
No, you did not. You repeated your mantra, as you are wont to do, ad infinitum.

The post is about some insane policies that seem to drive us toward decivilization, which includes the defunding and removal of cops. Your wet dream of no more cops leads to a hellscape.

You repeat the notion that all cops are bad and hell-bent on following the evil orders of overlords. They don't. In fact, I would more expect that from the team of mercs who work for Trump (it's why he is still alive.) But they don't kill people willy-nilly, either.

"Clearly," it seems your ACAB catechism is more like the case of your only tool is a hammer, so every problem looks like a nail.
 
No, you did not. You repeated your mantra, as you are wont to do, ad infinitum.

The post is about some insane policies that seem to drive us toward decivilization, which includes the defunding and removal of cops. Your wet dream of no more cops leads to a hellscape.

You repeat the notion that all cops are bad and hell-bent on following the evil orders of overlords. They don't. In fact, I would more expect that from the team of mercs who work for Trump (it's why he is still alive.) But they don't kill people willy-nilly, either.

"Clearly," it seems your ACAB catechism is more like the case of your only tool is a hammer, so every problem looks like a nail.
^^^He's right you know.;) Not all cops are bad, many are good men doing a thankless job. Sadly it does seem to be taking a downward spiral. Especially since Cheney's militarization f the police force.

I've had off PM's with Wade and he's a bright good person. I dont under stand the singlemindedness though. Maybe he should make babies with @nagantguy :oops:
 
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^^^He's right you know.;) Not all cops are bad, many are good men doing a thankless job. Sadly it does seem to be taking a downward spiral. Especially since Cheney's militarization f the police force.

I've had off PM's with Wade and he's a bright good person. I dont under stand the singlemindedness though. Maybe he should make babies with @nagantguy :oops:
 
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No, you did not. You repeated your mantra, as you are wont to do, ad infinitum.

The post is about some insane policies that seem to drive us toward decivilization, which includes the defunding and removal of cops. Your wet dream of no more cops leads to a hellscape.

You repeat the notion that all cops are bad and hell-bent on following the evil orders of overlords. They don't. In fact, I would more expect that from the team of mercs who work for Trump (it's why he is still alive.) But they don't kill people willy-nilly, either.

"Clearly," it seems your ACAB catechism is more like the case of your only tool is a hammer, so every problem looks like a nail.

Read this part of the original article but actually attempt to think this time:
In another Orwellian twist, over half of the money needed to blow up the dams will come from a California water bond once passed by voters on the misinformation and disinformation that it would likely go to building more dams for water storage. Or as NPR gleefully put it, the cost is covered, “with another $250 million from a California voter-approved water bond.”In California, a water bond translates into destroying water projects.

Dam busting is but a tiny part of a larger decivilization project wrought by elites who experiment on the middle class as if they were white rats in a university lab, with the proviso that the architects of chaos never assume they will never experience the blowback themselves.

Have you noticed who suffered from the lockdowns? Amazon, or mom-and-pop stores? Did Dr. Fauci worry about the millions who lost two years of their schooling and have never caught up? Did the criminologist at Harvard or Stanford who dreamed up critical legal theory or emasculating the police ever live in the inner city?

So what do defunding the police, outlawing clean-burning natural gas heaters and cooktops, allowing the homeless to take over the streets of major American cities, where storm drains send untreated feces and urine out to the nearby bay, destroying the southern border, and ceding on Saturday night entire swaths of the inner American city to Wild West shootouts, in which both the shooter and shot are never prosecuted, have in common?

Nihilism.

Ask yourself: who is more likely to be prosecuted: a criminal in nocturnal Chicago on a Saturday night who murders a bystander or a bystander who marched peacefully on January 6 and never entered the Capitol?

Now ask yourself why good men tolerate this shit and more such as what I mentioned in my post that you have a problem with considering you ALWAYS defend gov’t.

Hanson touched upon the reason why in the very last paragraph that I requoted for your statist Authoritarian worshipping small brain, but I will elaborate for the illogical. Good men tolerate abuse out of fear of repercussions from the state which comes at the hands of LEO. Politicians do not do the dirty work. Anything for a paycheck types do. Tyranny cannot exist, authoritarian/totalitarian gov’ts cannot exist without police/mil violence against the decent that are ruled (governed). You cannot argue against these FACTS with any kind of sincerity as you would be arguing against truth. A man cannot be at odds with a murderous gov’t and not be on the opposing side of the gov’ts police that make it all possible by serving and protecting the system. Wake up.

I wouldn’t bother arguing with sick men such as yourself if I didn’t think it would help someone else that doesn’t side with evil.
 
Great column.

It is also a well-analyzed and brilliantly-thought-out long way of saying...

Good times bring weak men.

Weak men bring hard times.

Hard times bring strong men.

Strong men bring good times.

Such has been societal boom and bust since society began.

Strong men will ultimately triumph. And maybe, just maybe if we're lucky... those strong men won't resort to the law of the jungle, but will rally behind these great words put on paper just over 235 years ago in a document called The U.S. Constitution. For all its flaws, it is a far greater beacon of light than Pax Romana, All hail King George or Seig Heil.

So... stay strong.

Oh and if the 'mob' that can't wait for 'de-civilization' and thinks it will be some kind of utopian lefty green paradise, I can promise you it won't. Weak men will be dominated by animals. They only way they will be detered is by strong men who will enforce rigid laws.

Plus, this ain't stick throwing, sword-wielding and musket times. It only takes a few strong, skilled men to turn both animals and a de-civilized mob into big piles of food and fertilizer. TIf a new law and order arises, from the ashes, there won't be parole or diversion or three strikes or cushy jails or public defenders offices and social workers for those who want anarchy or to live as animals.

The slogan will be: "Out here, due process is a bullet."

And that does have a better ring than "Protect and serve" Kinda.

Let's hope we don't get there. Then again, it's all hanging on by the tinyist of margins right now. Mainly because of the amazing restraint and patience of strong men who are still trying to make the system work.

Hopefully our best days are still ahead of us.

Sirhr
 
No, you did not. You repeated your mantra, as you are wont to do, ad infinitum.

The post is about some insane policies that seem to drive us toward decivilization, which includes the defunding and removal of cops. Your wet dream of no more cops leads to a hellscape.

You repeat the notion that all cops are bad and hell-bent on following the evil orders of overlords. They don't. In fact, I would more expect that from the team of mercs who work for Trump (it's why he is still alive.) But they don't kill people willy-nilly, either.

"Clearly," it seems your ACAB catechism is more like the case of your only tool is a hammer, so every problem looks like a nail.
So trump bad, cops good? I see, your position is becoming clearer. Thank you.
 
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Read this part of the original article but actually attempt to think this time:


Now ask yourself why good men tolerate this shit and more such as what I mentioned in my post that you have a problem with considering you ALWAYS defend gov’t.

Hanson touched upon the reason why in the very last paragraph that I requoted for your statist Authoritarian worshipping small brain, but I will elaborate for the illogical. Good men tolerate abuse out of fear of repercussions from the state which comes at the hands of LEO. Politicians do not do the dirty work. Anything for a paycheck types do. Tyranny cannot exist, authoritarian/totalitarian gov’ts cannot exist without police/mil violence against the decent that are ruled (governed). You cannot argue against these FACTS with any kind of sincerity as you would be arguing against truth. A man cannot be at odds with a murderous gov’t and not be on the opposing side of the gov’ts police that make it all possible by serving and protecting the system. Wake up.

I wouldn’t bother arguing with sick men such as yourself if I didn’t think it would help someone else that doesn’t side with evil.
Promises, promises ...

I grant that some people are afraid of punishment from the police if they commit a crime in defense of a value. A man who kills his child's abuser still has to face charges.

So, have you and nagantguy picked a day, yet? That way, you can start planning floral arrangements, venues, entertainment. See if you can get that surprise performance of "Sugar" by Maroon 5.

 
I grant that some people are afraid of punishment from the police if they commit a crime in defense of a value. A man who kills his child's abuser still has to face charges.
You are such a piece of shit

No wonder you can’t look in a mirror and 40% of you take out that internal anger on your wife/gf
 
Nihilism arises from complacent lazy idiots who had grown accustomed to conveniences, and being coddled and enabled by either their parents or likeminded friends. With no ambitions left in life and no motivation to see beyond their safe spaces, these adult babies retreat into fantasy worlds where they are great philosophers and everybody follows them. That is how nihilism and marxism is born. Both Karl Marx and Frederich Nietszhe were pampered, complacent, socially awkward, and extremely coddled narcissists living in the carefree sex, arts, drugs, and absinthe atmosphere of Bavaria, which many consider the very first hippie commune in history.

Meanwhile on the other side of the world, men like Samuel Walker and Davy Crockett were bashing the skulls of Mexican soldiers and Comanche braves in order to carve even a slice of desperate existence for the tiny American settlements in Texas facing near annihilation. If Marx and Crockett had ever met face to face, the former would have very likely got the flat of a Bowie knife knocking out most of his teeth on the left side of his face...

Nihilism and socialism: The definition of "The Devil finds work for idle hands".
I would have hoped that Crockett would have disemboweled Marx and mounted his head on a spike.
 
From then on, people helped Wesley Mouch to advance, for the same reason as that which had prompted Uncle Julius: they were people who believed that mediocrity was safe.... By the situation of the moment, they had concluded that Wesley Mouch was a man of superlative skill and cunning, since millions aspired to power, but he was the one who had achieved it. (2.6.1.54)
 
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Still a good read

Sirhr
 
Yeah I get it it’s a joke but that’s a bit too far.

Betting that it would be 100 percent mainstream if real SHTF.

The Donner Party… Christians all. The Franklin expedition. English gentlemen. Steamship Dumaru. American sailors. Russian famine of 21-22… tens of thousands of cases. Ukraine and Kazakh famine 32-33…. Thousands of cases. Of cannibalism. Seige of Leningrad and german POW’s after Stalingrad…. Thousands of cases. Disciplined German soldiers…. Japanese prison guards ate allied prisoners… hundreds of documented cases including organized “human meat supply” commanded by officers. 1970’s Uruguay flight crashed in the Andes… survivors resorted to cannibalism. Liberian Civil War 1990’s… hundreds of cases. 2000’s Malaysia unrest… dozens of cases. Right now in Haiti… it’s going in.

That is only the ones from the last 100 years or that were widespread due to famine and unrest. Not the likely hundreds of serial killers and whack jobs and religious nuts… who partake.

If anyone thinks that it’s “a joke…” they have not looked at their history. Including very recent history! Like… current events.

When people are starving and there are no consequences involved in procuring meat from other human beings… it will be game on. Social taboo’s melt away fast on empty stomachs. I have no illusions about what would happen if our civilization got all de-civilized.

There will be predators and prey. And when the land has been stripped of every cow, pig, sheep, horse, donkey, dog, cat, rat, frog, bunny, squirrel and other form of protein… a large number of folks will turn to cannibalism.

Stock up on spices. They make any meat taste good!

Sirhr

PS. Forgot to mention the concentration camps… yup, happened there too!
 
Plenty of other options when de-civilization hits…

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This afternoon I took a self administered Levenson Self-Report Psychopathy profile. I KNOW that's it's basically BS, but I did pretty good (above 70%). I think work would freak the hell out If I hung this and the test in my cubicle. Probably noone would steal my lunch from the fridge for multiple reasons. :D
 
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Betting that it would be 100 percent mainstream if real SHTF.

The Donner Party… Christians all. The Franklin expedition. English gentlemen. Steamship Dumaru. American sailors. Russian famine of 21-22… tens of thousands of cases. Ukraine and Kazakh famine 32-33…. Thousands of cases. Of cannibalism. Seige of Leningrad and german POW’s after Stalingrad…. Thousands of cases. Disciplined German soldiers…. Japanese prison guards ate allied prisoners… hundreds of documented cases including organized “human meat supply” commanded by officers. 1970’s Uruguay flight crashed in the Andes… survivors resorted to cannibalism. Liberian Civil War 1990’s… hundreds of cases. 2000’s Malaysia unrest… dozens of cases. Right now in Haiti… it’s going in.

That is only the ones from the last 100 years or that were widespread due to famine and unrest. Not the likely hundreds of serial killers and whack jobs and religious nuts… who partake.

If anyone thinks that it’s “a joke…” they have not looked at their history. Including very recent history! Like… current events.

When people are starving and there are no consequences involved in procuring meat from other human beings… it will be game on. Social taboo’s melt away fast on empty stomachs. I have no illusions about what would happen if our civilization got all de-civilized.

There will be predators and prey. And when the land has been stripped of every cow, pig, sheep, horse, donkey, dog, cat, rat, frog, bunny, squirrel and other form of protein… a large number of folks will turn to cannibalism.

Stock up on spices. They make any meat taste good!

Sirhr

PS. Forgot to mention the concentration camps… yup, happened there too!
You quote history, and that perfectly fine. No issue there. We just aren’t in that circumstance. It’s a person’s family that is ultimately talked about. The container of a soul. Although I am aware that most on this site don’t have such leanings. To each his own.
 
You quote history, and that perfectly fine. No issue there. We just aren’t in that circumstance. It’s a person’s family that is ultimately talked about. The container of a soul. Although I am aware that most on this site don’t have such leanings. To each his own.

Hey, not saying I’m off to Dahmer anyone….

Cannibalism is abhorrent at every level in a civilized society.

But since de-civilization is the very title of this thread… I have no illusions about what humans can, have and will do to each other in empty stomachs.

No matter how “good” or pious or God fearing one is. Those traits are all admirable but are also luxuries allowed by civilization.

Every community is nine meals away from total anarchy.

Sirhr
 
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Hey, not saying I’m off to Dahmer anyone….

Cannibalism is abhorrent at every level in a civilized society.

But since de-civilization is the very title of this thread… I have no illusions about what humans can, have and will do to each other in empty stomachs.

No matter how “good” or pious or God fearing one is. Those traits are all admirable but are also luxuries allowed by civilization.

Every community is nine meals away from total anarchy.

Sirhr
The last few years support your hypothesis quite well.
 
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Hey, not saying I’m off to Dahmer anyone….

Cannibalism is abhorrent at every level in a civilized society.

But since de-civilization is the very title of this thread… I have no illusions about what humans can, have and will do to each other in empty stomachs.

No matter how “good” or pious or God fearing one is. Those traits are all admirable but are also luxuries allowed by civilization.

Every community is nine meals away from total anarchy.

Sirhr
Very true, whether we as ‘civilized’ people wish to recognize that fact or not. Decivilization will happen quicker than most here realize or have even thought about while sitting in our easy chairs feeling comfortable and superior.
 
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Very true, whether we as ‘civilized’ people wish to recognize that fact or not. Decivilization will happen quicker than most here realize or have even thought about while sitting in our easy chairs feeling comfortable and superior.

Buy more spices!!!

PS. Lest Folks think this is less-than-serious… the whole new world was discovered by people financing voyages to get spices… to preserve and make their shit food palatable. One shipload could make a Spanish trader rich for life. Because above all, society needed and desired its food to be tasty and mostly pathogen-free. Everyone storing buckets of MRE’s could store a lifetimes worth of salt, Spices and preservatives in the same space 2 months worth of processed shit takes up. Someone needs to come up with the 5 gallon survival spice bucket. And make a fortune!
 
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Buy more spices!!!

PS. Lest Folks think this is less-than-serious… the whole new world was discovered by people financing voyages to get spices… to preserve and make their shit food palatable. One shipload could make a Spanish trader rich for life. Because above all, society needed and desired its food to be tasty and mostly pathogen-free. Everyone storing buckets of MRE’s could store a lifetimes worth of salt, Spices and preservatives in the same space 2 months worth of processed shit takes up. Someone needs to come up with the 5 gallon survival spice bucket. And make a fortune!

Most of the Caribbean islands were colonized for their climate which was ideal for growing sugar cane. Slave traders supplied the people to work the plantations.

The Lesser Antilles which Grenada is located was colonized for its rich crop of spices.
 
Most of the Caribbean islands were colonized for their climate which was ideal for growing sugar cane. Slave traders supplied the people to work the plantations.

The Lesser Antilles which Grenada is located was colonized for its rich crop of spices.
True, but the Caribbean islands were not ‘discovered’ because they were looking for a place to grow sugar cane. They were searching for an easier route to buy and deliver spices.
 
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Well its because Toscanelli wasn't very good at astronomy or cartography and convinced Chris the earth was smaller than it is.
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And at the time Spain could not defeat Portugals Navy who controlled the routes around Africa. So Isabella told Chris he could keep 10% of the booty(not just spice) he brought back and govern any lands he claimed and she would fund his exploration.

And this is why the Spanish, followed by the rest of Europe invaded the Caribbean.
 
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Well its because Toscanelli wasn't very good at astronomy or cartography and convinced Chris the earth was smaller than it is.
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And at the time Spain could not defeat Portugals Navy who controlled the routes around Africa. So Isabella told Chris he could keep 10% of the booty(not just spice) he brought back and govern any lands he claimed and she would fund his exploration.

And this is why the Spanish, followed by the rest of Europe invaded the Caribbean.
Now, that's a nice and short Ted Talk that everyone can live with.
 
Hey, not saying I’m off to Dahmer anyone….

Cannibalism is abhorrent at every level in a civilized society.

But since de-civilization is the very title of this thread… I have no illusions about what humans can, have and will do to each other in empty stomachs.

No matter how “good” or pious or God fearing one is. Those traits are all admirable but are also luxuries allowed by civilization.

Every community is nine meals away from total anarchy.

Sirhr
spot on
 
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