Army M24 Build Thread

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The bootlace method is practically the first way we learned to take the firing pin assembly out of the bolt.

Remington used to make this plastic tool for removing the firing pin assembly way back when. I still have one I got at a local gun store probably 20 years ago. It's double sided, one side does standard Remington 700 bolts and the other works with the old ISS bolt shrouds.

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Taking pics of this spotter to sell online. Then saw what appeared to be the green hue of a laser protection filter on the front objective lens. I've owned it for over 10 years. Its a Bausch & Lomb Elite 15~45X60 that was advertised as a Litton M144. I assumed it was just a standard B&L model with some unit markings added to make it look military issue.
The 1st picture is a previous sale for an actuall M144.
The next pics are of my scope. Look closely, theres a light gray retaining ring that looks out of place. And there's that green lens. Is this a later version of the M144 that came with the LPF already installed, and not a separate add-on?
 

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ISOF Iraqi Special Operations Forces/ICTS Iraqi Counter Terrorism Service used the M24SWS with various optics & nvd
 

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lockedandloaded said:
Taking pics of this spotter to sell online. Then saw what appeared to be the green hue of a laser protection filter on the front objective lens. I've owned it for over 10 years. Its a Bausch & Lomb Elite 15~45X60 that was advertised as a Litton M144. I assumed it was just a standard B&L model with some unit markings added to make it look military issue.
The 1st picture is a previous sale for an actuall M144.
The next pics are of my scope. Look closely, theres a light gray retaining ring that looks out of place. And there's that green lens. Is this a later version of the M144 that came with the LPF already installed, and not a separate add-on?
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I have both early and late. Both have it.
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This took me awhile to figure out. Apparently Bausch & Lomb/Bushnell started to include the LIF in their spotting scope lines Elite and Tactical. They also integrated the M22 Binocular killFlash Tenebraex ARD instead of the threaded-on unit.

I also have a Rock Island Arsenal contract dated 2002 that shows the Decilog M144 Laser Filter Unit nsn1240-01-434-7157 at $1,960.00 each for 600 units🙄
 

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eodsix said:
There is a rare M24 EMA/ARD KillFlash on eBay right now. It's attached to a sun shield from what I can tell and not the EMA, but these things are few and far between.
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I actually bought this just prior to seeing your postings. And yes it wad attached to a sunshade that wad threaded, the sunshade actually for my Ultra but is unlike any of the other sunshades I have with the threading. Other than a few pics of the Hide, some posted by me, others by Eodsix, as you said, yes a rare item.
 

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mjh30 said:
I actually bought this just prior to seeing your postings. And yes it wad attached to a sunshade that wad threaded, the sunshade actually for my Ultra but is unlike any of the other sunshades I have with the threading. Other than a few pics of the Hide, some posted by me, others by Eodsix, as you said, yes a rare item.
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I screenshot your ebay auction and saw its engraved for the M24. Nice! Can you give the nsn #'s for both ema and ard. Trying to figure out the timeframe both became available. The June 2003 update TM shows your EMA with the white alignment marking at the front. But theres no mention of the Tenebraex ARD.
 

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See, this is what I'm whining about! Literally no information available in the TM, FM, STI. And you guys scoop up all the rare stuff😂 This quoted post is like 2yrs old
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Also got these in the mail today after several years of searching. Original laser filters. I've had the Mk11/M110 style prior and it's always bugged me not to have the right one.
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lockedandloaded said:
I screenshot your ebay auction and saw its engraved for the M24. Nice! Can you give the nsn #'s for both ema and ard. Trying to figure out the timeframe both became available. The June 2003 update TM shows your EMA with the white alignment marking at the front. But theres no mention of the Tenebraex ARD.
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The ard is nsn 6650-01-456-6515, obviously dual threaded and about 50mm. The EMA is nsn 1240-01-380-6326. I believe cage code 2f18.
 
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The EMA/ARD killFlash from Tenebraex came out in either 1988 or 1989 and was posted to the TM 9-1005-305-10 in Change 7. The EMA itself was posted in Change 5 of the -10 TM. I've posted these pics on all the iterations of this thread and and the Sniper's Hide website change up but here they are again for those that missed them.
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The EMA and/or ARD were never listed in the early manuals
TM June 1989
TC 23-14 June 1989
FM 23-10 Aug. 1994
MIL-R-71126(AR) Nov. 1995

The earliest document I have lists only the EMA in Contractor Depot Support M24 August 2002

TM 9-1005-306-10 June 2003 lists both EMA & ARD

There were also the years with M24 & M110 both being issued circa 2005~2010, and both platforms issued ARD/EMA.

Im not questioning that you said the EMA/ARD was first issued 88/89. I know you know your facts. My problem is there aren't any official publications mentioning them until 02/03.

I recall about 5 years ago you informed me that the EMA/ARD set I had just purchased was actually for a M110SASS. Different NSN #'s, but the exact same item. In fact, both of them thread into my Ultra M3a, as well as the Mark 4, and I assume also the 3.5-10X M2.

Basically its the lack of documentation that I was asking about.
 
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The M24 -10 TMs w/change pages already included still have the 1989 date on the cover and the change pages aren't dated so you're probably correct. The only actual change pages (to be manually added by user) I ever got were Change 1 and since I'm away home, I couldn't tell if the Chg 1 had a dated Cover page or not. All this is really minutia but some folks may be interested for historical purposes.
 
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Does anyone happen to have a picture handy of an M24 bolt from a late 80’s early 90’s M24? I saw the E series bolt a couple pages back (thank you for that!) but I’m trying to see a 90s bolt as well. Mainly looking for the last 4 SN punch, anything else is a bonus.

Thanks all!
 
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USNavy06 said:
Yeah that’s not right haha. Someone added Arms, M24 and the U.S markings.

It’s also a SA stainless action which the M24 never used. I’d be sending that crap back.
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Exactly, it is wrong in a lot of ways. Further to your points, there are no screw holes for the back-up iron sights. It's not even close!

In my opinion, it appears they ruined a perfectly good commercial receiver.

I should add that there were some legit short action M24 receivers that were probably made for a foreign military or law enforcement contract. @ilikebmxbikes had some posted a year or so ago. I can't find a picture of them, but they didn't look like the one above.
 
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Since @NoNATS mentioned PTG, Im going to ask if anyone has their book of chamber blueprints 2022. Been searching for the actual Remington M24 reamer dimension specs. My measurements say it is not SAAMI spec 7.62 NATO.
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NoNATS said:
Picked this up from PTG. They say it came straight from Remington Defense. It is a short action, FOIA says Army has no record of it. The M24 marking on it does not match with the Model 700, but PTG says that it is exactly how it came. Any thoughts?
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Wow! Just, wow. PTG may have bought the rights to call themselves the” Remington custom shop” at least that is the impression I get reading their web site. It is a huge stretch to remark it an M24, even if it was from Remington Defense, and you had the legal right to call yourself the custom shop!

or I am an idiot that can’t read. I can go either way. Kevin
 
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No telling what's been discovered inside the custom shop since first article testing & production from October 1987. Have heard rumors PTG will be releasing a large lot of inventory soon. Get your checkbook ready. The DARPA titanium receivers just became available.
 
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Alaskaman11 said:
Question. Building my clone. Barrel got ordered yesterday, but as this is a pre GWOT 24, I need the front site base and rear, who these days make them and or where can they be found?
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The original first issue sight bases were manufactured by Redfield, but they are long out of business. You can search for take-off parts on gunboards. But they are literally worth their weight in gold, meaning if you weighed the 2 bases, the sale prices are equivalent to what 14K gold sells for. Not even exaggerating!

The second issued sight bases were made by RPA in England. I'm told still available, but with shipping will also run close to the gold standard pricing. And if you decide to also buy the actual sights, still gonna cost a kidney.

There are some alternatives available if you just want a close copy of a clone. But they are not exact US Army spec. Depends what your plans are. If you already have the barrel ordered, you need to decide soon depending if the barrel maker is also going to install it on your receiver, so they can drill the front base screwholes registered at top dead center the exact distance from the rear base holes. It can get complicated if you're not familiar with what Im explaining.

What barrel maker did you go with, and is it a 5R?
 
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Any gunsmith who installs barrels also knows how to drill/tap for sight bases. They just need to know the correct spacing dimensions. Those dimensions are dependent on which version of bases you choose. The last gunsmith I used was Greg Tannel of Gre-Tan Rifles, but he is not currently accepting new work due to overwhelming back orders
 
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I have been looking for M24SWS chamber dimensions Remington used with their factory hammer-forged 5R barrels. This chamber reamer offered by Pacific Tool & Gauge is spec'd for the M852/168gr round, but IT IS NOT TO SAAMI/CIP dimensions. I always suspected Remington used a custom/proprietary chamber dimension for the M24 that was not industry standard. They may have even used a different reamer for the M118/173gr, or the later M118LR/175gr when they were standard issue.




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The former Remington employees are getting screwed out of their severance pay.

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NoNATS said:
Picked this up from PTG. They say it came straight from Remington Defense. It is a short action, FOIA says Army has no record of it. The M24 marking on it does not match with the Model 700, but PTG says that it is exactly how it came. Any thoughts?
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Another fake M24 is on gunbroker. These are obviously not M24's. There was no S prefix m24. The only actions that are US marked are the C prefix ones - and those are roll marked not lasered. Whoever did these is just lasering ARMS and M24 on them. The actions also lack the 8/40 scope base holes and sight base screws. The bolts lack the magnaflux proof mark and coating. The coating on the bolt shroud is standard 700. Whoever is making these abominations should be flamed. The gunbroker seller is listing it as a Real M24 - and they also have a fake m40 with similar fake lasering
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NoNATS said:
Picked this up from PTG. They say it came straight from Remington Defense. It is a short action, FOIA says Army has no record of it. The M24 marking on it does not match with the Model 700, but PTG says that it is exactly how it came. Any thoughts?
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Another fake M24 is on gunbroker. These are obviously not M24's. There was no S prefix m24. The only actions that are US marked are the C prefix ones - and those are roll marked not lasered. Whoever did these is just lasering ARMS and M24 on them. The actions also lack the 8/40 scope base holes and sight base screws. The bolts lack the magnaflux proof mark and coating. The coating on the bolt shroud is standard 700. Whoever is making these abominations should be flamed. The gunbroker seller is listing it as a Real M24 - and they also have a fake m40 with similar fake lasering View attachment 8268970
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Update - it is Pacific Tool and Gauge (PTG) making these forgeries. Really disappointed in their company to see them releasing fake products with misleading descriptions to take advantage of collectors to make an extra dollar. They are really poisoning the well with these and i hope no one on this forum gets taken on these.
 
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ilikebmxbikes said:
Update - it is Pacific Tool and Gauge (PTG) making these forgeries. Really disappointed in their company to see them releasing fake products with misleading descriptions to take advantage of collectors to make an extra dollar. They are really poisoning the well with these and i hope no one on this forum gets taken on these.
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That’s funny. I talked about this with the
A few days ago. They said they are legit, I asked how can they be with no rear sight mount. It was just crickets
 
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That's wild! Really disappointed to see that Pacific Tool and Gauge is trying to screw people over with fake M24 receivers. Glad you put them on notice. The lasering looks fucking awful and I'm baffled anyone has bid on it, never mind for what they're asking. With how bad it looks, you sorta have to wonder if the bidders know it's a fake?.. Then the real crime is someone paying $1200+ for a molested Remington 700 action 🤣
 
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Ehtacs said:
That's wild! Really disappointed to see that Pacific Tool and Gauge and Only The Best Firearms are trying to screw people over with fake M24 receivers. Glad you put them on notice. The lasering looks fucking awful and I'm baffled anyone has bid on it, never mind for what they're asking. With how bad it looks, you sorta have to wonder if the bidders know it's a fake?.. Then the real crime is someone paying $1200+ for a molested Remington 700 action 🤣
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Emailed* with OTB, seems they got sold snake oil by PTG. I dont fault them. They are reputable and I have purchased things from them in the past.
 
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Yeah, I purchased one from PTG and it's laughable how the engraving isn't even close. I won't even get into the 8-month wait for a receiver that was, supposedly, in stock. Worst company on the planet. I actually even question if the action and bolt are blueprinted as they claim it is. Still breaking in the barrel so won't know until I see how it shoots and how the lugs wear in.
 
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ODCMP said:
Exactly, it is wrong in a lot of ways. Further to your points, there are no screw holes for the back-up iron sights. It's not even close!

In my opinion, it appears they ruined a perfectly good commercial receiver.

I should add that there were some legit short action M24 receivers that were probably made for a foreign military or law enforcement contract. @ilikebmxbikes had some posted a year or so ago. I can't find a picture of them, but they didn't look like the one above.
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ilikebmxbikes said:
Update - it is Pacific Tool and Gauge (PTG) making these forgeries. Really disappointed in their company to see them releasing fake products with misleading descriptions to take advantage of collectors to make an extra dollar. They are really poisoning the well with these and i hope no one on this forum gets taken on these.
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Like I said above, they are wrong in a lot of ways and not even close!

It's really bad that they are creating fakes. They are a solid commercial action, just sell them for what they are.
 
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ilikebmxbikes said:
Emailed* with OTB, seems they got sold snake oil by PTG. I dont fault them. They are reputable and I have purchased things from them in the past.
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Still they are selling them with a title of "Remington 700 LA M24 U.S. Factory Barreled Action 24" RR series marked". The only hint that they know they are fake is the word "style" in the description: "1 - Remington 700 LA U.S. M24 Military Style Receiver".

They need to just come clean and call them as what they are, or they are as guilty as the ones who faked them originally.
 
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ODCMP said:
Still they are selling them with a title of "Remington 700 LA M24 U.S. Factory Barreled Action 24" RR series marked". The only hint that they know they are fake is the word "style" in the description: "1 - Remington 700 LA U.S. M24 Military Style Receiver".

They need to just come clean and call them as what they are, or they are as guilty as the ones who faked them originally.
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ya, its copy and paste from PTG
 
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ODCMP said:
Still they are selling them with a title of "Remington 700 LA M24 U.S. Factory Barreled Action 24" RR series marked". The only hint that they know they are fake is the word "style" in the description: "1 - Remington 700 LA U.S. M24 Military Style Receiver".

They need to just come clean and call them as what they are, or they are as guilty as the ones who faked them originally.
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On a positive note, I sent a question to OTB via Gunbroker and included a link to the posts here. I got an immediate response back from OTB indicating they had emailed Gunbroker asking to pull the auction, and discussing how they could correct the auction language. Hopefully Gunbroker will cancel the auction, and if not they will add to the description and inform the bidder.
 
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ODCMP said:
On a positive note, I sent a question to OTB via Gunbroker and included a link to the posts here. I got an immediate response back from OTB indicating they had emailed Gunbroker asking to pull the auction, and discussing how they could correct the auction language. Hopefully Gunbroker will cancel the auction, and if not they will add to the description and inform the bidder.
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They messaged me saying they were gonna remove / change the listing. I cant reiterate enough that OTB is legit - I bought my AI AWM from them and only have positive things to say.
 
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