Who of you bullshitters claims 1/4 MOA all day? Show us all you proof?

cas6969 · Mar 18, 2024

In the "just starting out in..." thread I referenced selling a rifle I wish I hadn't. It was far and away the most accurate rifle I've ever owned. I was 19 or 20, had no idea what I was doing either shooting or hand loading, and in spite of all that the rifle shot unbelievable. One of my biggest improvement in groups size came when one of the older guys at the range informed me that you didn't measure groups outside to outside. "Doh!"

All my best shooting was done before Al Gore invented the internet and we didn't waste film taking pictures of targets.

Tempest 455 · Mar 18, 2024

I shoot FTR matches at 600 and 1,000 yards. I've seen some really nice equipment over the years that I'm sure is .25 MOA at 100. However, the reality at the target is 1.25-1.5 MOA at 1000 yards for 20 shots (or worse depending on conditions). At that point it's more about wind reading than accuracy as you are rarely ever aiming in the same spot.

TheHorta · Mar 18, 2024

@50 yards.

Suck it!

DIBBS · Mar 18, 2024

LMAO @TheHorta

DIBBS · Mar 18, 2024

I personally like the groups posted with 4 in a cluster and the one labeled "pulled".

I wasn't aware that one could pick their 4 best shots for group size

If that's the case.... then I have a bunch of half moa rifles I'll sell... just might need a couple rolls of pasters/tape/coins or a big hand .

padom · Mar 18, 2024

Here's 15 consecutive shots 3x5 @100yd for you all in the 0.1s.... 6BR 106 A-Tips 30.2gr Varget

Ronws · Mar 18, 2024

Gunfighter14e2 said:
No they eat your dog with fava beans, and washed it down with a nice Chianti. Still have the shovel from digging the hole the bones are in out past, Terlingua.

Quid pro quo, Clarice. Quid pro quo.

And welcome to Tennessee, patron state of shootin' stuff.

Racer88 · Mar 18, 2024

DIBBS said:
I wasn't aware that one could pick their 4 best shots for group size

In these cases, I calculate the 4-shot group just for fun. But I still calculate the overall group.

Still not bad... 1/2-MOA, with the "flyer" included, at 300 yards with an "economy rig" (Ruger Precision Rifle with a Vortex Viper HST scope, Harris bipod and a squeeze bag) and factory ammo. Mind you... I consider myself very much the mediocre amateur. This was a lucky group.

Now... a TEN-shot group that's 1/2-MOA??? I haven't been THAT lucky, yet!

Ronws · Mar 18, 2024

What about a 2 shot group multiplied 5 times?

Asking for a friend.

diggler1833 · Mar 18, 2024

Not to brag, but my 1 shot groups are pretty unbeatable.

You may tie them (if you practice long enough), but you'll never beat them.

mi650 · Mar 18, 2024

DIBBS said:
I personally like the groups posted with 4 in a cluster and the one labeled "pulled".

I wasn't aware that one could pick their 4 best shots for group size

If that's the case.... then I have a bunch of half moa rifles I'll sell... just might need a couple rolls of pasters/tape/coins or a big hand .

What's wrong with that? If I go back to compare an old group, I want to know what happened. If I pulled it, if it was an honest flyer, whatever. I have a group pic somewhere that I wrote WTF!?! on. I measure both with and without the pulled rd. No sense bullshitting about it. I generally take pics for me, not for you guys.

sirhrmechanic · Mar 18, 2024

diggler1833 said:
^^^ That is a frigging cool idea.

I'm going to do a bunch of these. But it going to be dicks. Then I am going to start sending them to people who start ghey threads.

At least this was moved to the Pit.

If you want the printable 24x36” template… pm me and I’ll Email it to you. Any Office Depot or printer place can print on a large sheet of paper for you. Tape it to the metal and don’t friggin miss.

See “rules” in the Topperwein challenge thread. Also some helpful tips for selecting metal and not screwing up!

Cheers. Sirhr

Threadcutter308 · Mar 18, 2024

Alright, you got me……..

Bryan Austin · Mar 18, 2024

Barelstroker said:
Lets see the proof. I want to see BRE results over 300 rounds & F Class over 300 rounds. Show me the results or cowards you must be.

I see some targets posted but not a long linage of excellence!

However, your plan is definitely working!!!

748rpilot · Mar 18, 2024

1/4 MOA... you mean like shooting MOA 1/4 of the time?

I could maybe manage it. Send $$$ for ammo and I'll try.

The D · Mar 18, 2024

I’m not going to claim that bullshit 1/4 moa. I can hit 1/8 moa!

Bryan Austin · Mar 18, 2024

The ultimate test....life and death...

You get one shot, the first shot.....who wins?

I shall never gain the pebble from thy hand!

30-06 100 yards

9 shots through top hole, 8 shots through middle hole and ten shots through bottom hole

Doc68 · Mar 18, 2024

Barelstroker said:
So, we seem to have a never ending supply of, so called, shooters who think that 1/4 MOA is perfectly reasonable. Lets see the proof. I want to see BRE results over 300 rounds & F Class over 300 rounds. Show me the results or cowards you must be.

Never heard of you......

Doc

Doc68 · Mar 18, 2024

5 groups( top 2 right and 3 in middle)
1" stickers
22BR
100yds last Thursday
4 5rd groups
1 10rd group.

Other groups in pic load dev for AR.

Dead Eye Dick · Mar 18, 2024

I’ve shot some true one hole groups. Like 0.10 inches. Two in fact. With two different rifles. I frankly consider them flukes. My MPA with the 6.5 Creedmoor barrel could get into the 0.3’s fairly often but with three shot groups. Got at least one that went just below three tenths. But it shot enough middle three tenths group that I considered it to be a sub 0.40 rifle. Neither of my 6’s are quite that good, but good enough.

But, I am not a group shooter. Too few years left in my life and too few bullets, primers and pounds of powder avaialble, much less barrels, to waste time and effort shooting at flattened dead trees. I shoot enough to establish acceptable accuracy to hit steel regularly out past 1K and call it good enough.

So, I leave to you gentleman to argue over what you‘ve done to flattened, dead trees. I‘m gonna be banging steel and having a blast.

Edit: No one picked up on my error, ”accuracy enough to hit steel regularly out past 1000K.” That would be 1,000,000 yards. That would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 568 miles. When I was flying, I never flew an aircraft that had that much range.

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Ronws · Mar 18, 2024

The D said:
I’m not going to claim that bullshit 1/4 moa. I can hit 1/8 moa!

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1/8 MOA? Well, I guess someone has to be sloppy.

The D · Mar 18, 2024

Ronws said:
1/8 MOA? Well, I guess someone has to be sloppy.

The wind was messing with me that day

Steel+Killer · Mar 18, 2024

If in I do my parts I can shoots dem 1/2 MOAs all day.

Tempest 455 · Mar 18, 2024

Regarding my post previously. 5 shots at 100 yards. .308 FTR in testing.

Same gun 20 shots 1000 yards in a match. Shots 14-17 were killer and on top of each other. But 20 shots is what we score and is, what it is. End of day, HM score at 1000 yards in FTR. Again all wind reading.

TheBigCountry · Mar 18, 2024

Barelstroker said:
Just tired of the " my rifles 1/4 moa rifle" all the time bullshit or 1/2 MOA for that matter.
I've been reading this bullshit for years & I've had enough.
Anyone who claims this bullshit has to show a 10 shot group or fuck off, not interested in your garbage.
Give me one 10 shot group & I'll believe you for the next 100 shots.

lonegunman762x51 · Mar 18, 2024

Ok, you can fuck off now. Plenty of people just showed you how badly you suck in real life. If you can shoot as good as the rifle or the rifle you own cannot do it, then buy better gear and stop coming here, start going to the range.

I bought my own 120 acres for a rifle range just so I never have to talk to fuckwits or send pictures to fuckwits or have fuckwits ask fuck wit questions. It is very nice to not talk to people.

Marinevet1 · Mar 18, 2024

.308 Federal Gold Medal 175Gr..............5 shots at 100 yards, including cold bore shot...........

anon · Mar 18, 2024

Local F-Open Mid Range matches have multiple shooters at 600 - 50 plus x's.

A few years ago the F-Open shooter next to me in a match shot a 200 - 30x. I don't remember his aggregate.

The x-ring on that target is 1/2 moa.

I'm more impressed by the sling shooters cleaning the 2 moa 10-ring with a bunch of 1 moa x's at all ranges, 300, 600, and 1000 yards.

n2ishun · Mar 19, 2024

Who of you bullshitters claims 1/4 MOA all day? Show us all you proof?

Until you gather a small amount of grammatical skill you are unworthy to see my marksmanship skill.

You proof ? WT ever lovin F kind of ingrish is that ?
YOUR proof dumbass.
Who of you bullshitters claims ?
Which of you bullshitters claim.

You're too stupid to own a firearm.

M4orturnate · Mar 19, 2024

Racer88 said:
So you missed 6 times!?? LOL!

That's crazy right there!

Didn't say I could hit anything

iceng · Mar 19, 2024

My rifle is 1/4" moa all day, on demand.

My ammo... thats a different story. Sooo... whatever.

Gunfighter14e2 · Mar 19, 2024

Group size only impresses those who are shooting for groups or a score only. What impresses many here, is that first shot where it needs to be w/o any sighter's and maybe a little dirt/water in the bore.

1AvgMarksman · Mar 19, 2024

How? How do I “prove” this? Target? Video? Factory ammo, or reloads? Mass produced rifles, or custom build? Caliber specific? How about we go to the range, see what WE can do with our rifles and every other valuable tossed in.. That should do it… I can only promise you this tho.. We’ll have fun doing so! I’ll bet you beers (after) 2 of the 3 I bring, will meet your expectations.

Sounds like fun!

LeonBlank · Mar 19, 2024

All day.

Yasherka · Mar 19, 2024

NiteQwill said:
This isn't the Bear Pit

It is now

LeftyJason · Mar 19, 2024

Yasherka said:
It is now

It was by post 5 when I first came across it.

You gentlemen actually shoot?

EddieNFL · Mar 19, 2024

Reminds me of an ARFcom thread bout 20 years ago. Subject was reloading presses, as I recall. I mentioned I had tried a certain brand, but had such a poor experience I gave it away.

One gentleman was offended, said he did not believe I had ever owned the press and demanded I provide a receipt.

Stavey · Mar 19, 2024

If my 6ppc won’t shoot 1/4” all day . It’s time for a new barrel .

cas6969 · Mar 19, 2024

"I personally like the groups posted with 4 in a cluster and the one labeled "pulled"."

It's relevant if it's honest, and if talking about the accuracy of the firearm, and not how crappy the shooter is.

One of the few old targets I saved. I got rushed, and got sloppy because honestly I didn't think I was even on paper. I saw the hole from the first shot and then nothing after that, I figured the scope took a shit on me.

With this.

I'd like to say that was a one time thing, but I made that stupid mistake a few times. "Where the hell are they going?" (shoot one way over here to see if it's even on paper and it's right where I aimed.) The joys of low power, long eye relief scopes.

Would it do that all day long? It might have, I sure couldn't do it all day long though. And today, shit I'd be lucky to shoot 2 MOA.

That thing is what drives me crazy/depresses me the most. Have multi thousand dollar rifles with multi thousand dollar scopes, that weigh close to 20lbs and don't shoot anywhere near as good as that stupid thing would.

(most targets I've saved long term weren't because they were good, but because they were almost good and I screwed them up)

sirhrmechanic · Mar 19, 2024

cas6969 said:
It's relevant if it's honest, and if talking about the accuracy of the firearm, and not how crappy the shooter is.

One of the few old targets I saved. I got rushed, and got sloppy because honestly I didn't think I was even on paper. I saw the hole from the first shot and then nothing after that, I figured the scope took a shit on me.

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With this.
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I'd like to say that was a one time thing, but I made that stupid mistake a few times. "Where the hell are they going?" (shoot one way over hear to see if it's even on paper and it's right where I aimed.)

Would it do that all day long? It might have, I sure couldn't do it all day long though. And today, shit I'd be lucky to shoot 2 MOA.

That thing is what drives me crazy/depresses me the most. Have multi thousand dollar rifles with multi thousand dollar scopes, that weigh close to 20lbs and don't shoot anywhere near as good as that stupid thing would.

Contenders are always awesome.

Some of the aftermarket barrels are incredibly accurate! As are some of the factory barrels!!

Sirhr

Yasherka · Mar 19, 2024

You gentlemen actually shoot?

On occasion when I'm not bowhunting, doing concrete, or bench pressing 275.

gentlemen

You spelled "assholes" wrong

brianf · Mar 19, 2024

Bullfrog08 said:
I shoot 1/4" groups all day long......when the rifle does its part!

I also have 53 bow kills, and do concrete as a hobby. Oh, and I can bench press Dirty D's GF!

Did I mention I handed Chuck Norris his first loss in a fight.

Which is the lie?

Beating Chuck or picking up Dirty D GF

I think it’s a coin flip

brianf · Mar 19, 2024

DIBBS said:
I personally like the groups posted with 4 in a cluster and the one labeled "pulled".

I wasn't aware that one could pick their 4 best shots for group size

If that's the case.... then I have a bunch of half moa rifles I'll sell... just might need a couple rolls of pasters/tape/coins or a big hand .

Yet it’s amazing that there is always 1…kind of like the rifle shooter is .5/.7 like everyone else but BR guys

Old Man with Gun · Mar 19, 2024

Barelstroker said:
Just tired of the " my rifles 1/4 moa rifle" all the time bullshit or 1/2 MOA for that matter.
I've been reading this bullshit for years & I've had enough.
Anyone who claims this bullshit has to show a 10 shot group or fuck off, not interested in your garbage.
Give me one 10 shot group & I'll believe you for the next 100 shots.

I can't fathom why you would care that others exaggerate or think anyone would care if you believed them.

LeftyJason · Mar 19, 2024

Yasherka said:
On occasion when I'm not bowhunting, doing concrete, or bench pressing 275.

You spelled "assholes" wrong

I'm not one to cuss.

HeavyAssault · Mar 19, 2024

10 round groups?? Someone has a plan to drive up ammo prices.

Jgunner · Mar 19, 2024

Well, its not 10 shots, its 12, well, its not 1/4 moa but it is 3 shots of 4 different charge weights at 100 yards. 3/10 grain differences, also, shots 3-15 of a new barrel.

Schütze · Mar 19, 2024

Jgunner said:
Well, its not 10 shots, its 12, well, its not 1/4 moa but it is 3 shots of 4 different charge weights at 100 yards. 3/10 grain differences, also, shots 3-15 of a new barrel. View attachment 8376499

You got to love the hide… 3 stickers and the finger covering the “flyer’s”

Rthur · Mar 19, 2024

Next thing the OP is going to claim is "some" exaggerate the size of their wiener.

R

Jgunner · Mar 19, 2024

Schütze said:
You got to love the hide… 3 stickers and the finger covering the “flyer’s”

If you say so. I wasnt the only one there nor the only one load developing that day. What are you looking for? A video of a play by play and a semen sample? I bet you'd settle for just the latter.

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