Your thinking is narrow. Your brain is not grasping. Let me help you. Just because most all scopes used in elr can be used for prs, doesn’t mean, most all scopes used in prs can be used for elr. Stick to your small guns and small thinking
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View thread Contact supportWell @DeathBeforeDismount you beat me to it. I was going to mention this nifty little invention called a canted rail, easily available up to 40 MOA to get back some of the clicks on the scope. And, if I were shooting ELR, I would also pick a longer zero, nothing under 200.
The Gen3 is a great choice. That or a used ATACR would be right about what he wants to spend and checks all the boxes.@Geno C. - Given your cited expertise in ELR, would you say the 3rd-gen Razor 6-36x56 is decent for what OP wants to do? If there's a better choice for him, I'd like to know what that is and why, since I led him to order the Razor from EuroOptic.
Thanks.
Reread. I know comprehension is tough. Nowhere did I say an elr scope would never be seen on a prs rifle.It's hilarious these fucking clowns think things like specs, ballistics calls and basic math somehow make ELR some black magic. Or that becuase someone primarily shoots one discipline, doesn't dabble in a bunch of others.
I'm still waiting to hear about that magical 2k "ELR" scope that you would never see on a prs gun. Funny how NF elr, great basin ELR are full of dudes we shoot with at matches shooting the same gear except a long action with a different barrel on it. Hell some of them are running short action sherman mags and prcs. So a bolt , barrel and mag change. Same scope.
Awaiting the witty detailed response telling me why I'm wrong instead of bullshit one liners.
Stop trying to flip this shit around. You got caught in a bunch of bullshit..are wrong and instead of admitting it, trying to deflect.Reread. I know comprehension is tough. Nowhere did I say an elr scope would never be seen on a prs rifle.
You’re wrong
Or, less. A lot less.......Somebody needs more fiber in their diet
I am sure one can get more MOA than that.Up to 40moa?!![]()
Well, when an asshole continues to asshole, said asshole should expect to get dogpiled.tough crowd
This rifle will be used for just target shooting at 1000-2000 yards. I’d like to spend around $2000 or so.
What do you all think?
What if some one wanted to buy/use these scopes to shoot 300 yard steel on a 300 win mag and maybe never beyond 300 yard ? Are they too much scope ?As others have said, IMO the Razor Gen 3 6-36x56 is a no-brainer for the best value to shoot this distance. As another response indicated, there is a custom black version available at EO for about $2.5K. The only drawback with this scope is weight, but it is not that much heavier than the other options with similar or slightly superior optical quality and for what you say you are doing with the rifle weight is not an issue generally. There is nothing close in optical quality and turret/controls IMO in the $2K-$3K range.
In addition to the overall quality, my favorite aspect of the Razor Gen 3 6-36 is the combination of forgiving eye box (i.e. how easy it is to get behind and find a good sight picture), good depth of field and wide field of view. These parameters often compete, with forgiving eye box usually coming with less DOF and/or FOV, but in the case of this scope it is pretty darn good in all three. IMO a scope that has excellent glass and turrets but is hard to get behind and/or you need to fuss with parallax/focus all the time is not as good as "good enough" optical quality and turrets but is forgiving. If you ever want to shoot in any kind of dynamic situation with time pressure, position movement or moving targets the FOV will also help you find the targets. If you are shooting nothing but stationary targets with no time pressure you might be fine fussing with sight picture and the parallax knob, but if you shoot enough you might (are likely to) get bored and decide you want to try something more dynamic like a local PRS match, positional shooting with barricades or hunting.
If you want to spend twice $2.5K, you can go with the Tangent 7-35x56 and get noticeably better optical quality and turrets. Absolutely stunning across the board. However, IMO you won't know that you would like something better than the Razor Gen 3 until you shoot the TT735P side by side with the Vortex. If you do shoot them side by side, you and your bank account will be ruined. There are lots of other options in between the price of the Vortex and Tangent that IMO are not much, if any, better than the Vortex so you would be spending money for very modest improvement in certain areas depending on which scope. In short, if price is an issue go with the Vortex, if not skip over the scopes in between and go with the Tangent.
Problem is, we are all assholes, so it is getting difficult to tell who is who.Well, when an asshole continues to asshole, said asshole should expect to get dogpiled.![]()
What if some one wanted to buy/use these scopes to shoot 300 yard steel on a 300 win mag and maybe never beyond 300 yard ? Are they too much scope ?
I like that idea. Because one does need to put some rounds down range to build up skills and if we are just hitting steel and not game, then a small and sleek round will get there and go "clang" just as much as a .300 WM at 200 gr and zipping along.If you are going to shoot at steel up to 300 yards and maybe never beyond:
Do yourself, your skills, your shoulder and your wallet a favour and swap the .300WM out for something a lot less punishing and less expensive to shoot.
You won’t regret a better scope up close.What if some one wanted to buy/use these scopes to shoot 300 yard steel on a 300 win mag and maybe never beyond 300 yard ? Are they too much scope ?
Which atacr? They’re definitely not all the sameJust going to chime in on ONE thing - just because it's a great scope spec wise, doesn't mean it's a good scope for you and your EYES.
If possible, go audition the glass and see how your eyes feel looking at 2000 yards. I sat behind the ATACRs - my eyes hated them. Sat behind the Vortex - a little easier on the eyes, but not for long.
Ended up with an older US Optics that I can sit behind literally ALL DAY without any eye strain and the headache after a long day behind the glass.
I like that idea. Because one does need to put some rounds down range to build up skills and if we are just hitting steel and not game, then a small and sleek round will get there and go "clang" just as much as a .300 WM at 200 gr and zipping along.
IRC, 6.5 Creedmoor was originally designed as a longish range round for SA and minimal recoil.
Maybe he needs to go no heavier than 7 PRC or 7 RM. At whatever velocity.
What if some one wanted to buy/use these scopes to shoot 300 yard steel on a 300 win mag and maybe never beyond 300 yard ? Are they too much scope ?
5-25Which atacr? They’re definitely not all the same
The goal for this scope and build was 1 mile to 2000 yards. I have other rigs in 6.5CM with other scopes that I have used so far for up to 900 yards.Is the OP ever going to need to do hunting or anything else but going to a range that maxes out at 300 yards?
If not, then a bolt action rifle shooting heavy .223 rounds would let him shoot a lot with little fatigue and low cost.
Otherwise 6.5CM / 6CM / 22CM or anything in that range that suits his fancy. Even .308 with light fast bullets would work well for cheap shooting.
Did you end up getting a razor? Amazing scope for the money.The new scope arrived today.
Yeah bought the one EuroOpticDid you end up getting a razor? Amazing scope for the money.
The goal for this scope and build was 1 mile to 2000 yards. I have other rigs in 6.5CM with other scopes that I have used so far for up to 900 yards.
What if some one wanted to buy/use these scopes to shoot 300 yard steel on a 300 win mag and maybe never beyond 300 yard ? Are they too much scope ?
Congrats. After a few months of looking through and shooting. You too, will learn to derail threads for lol purposes.Yeah bought the one EuroOptic
Yeah bought the one EuroOptic
what did you get ....and sorry if i hijacked your thread with my questionsThe new scope arrived today.
Exactly. If I know the max distance for my game animal (deer) is 300 yards and closer, one of my .308s with the cheapie Federal Fusion is going to be just fine.Is the OP ever going to need to do hunting or anything else but going to a range that maxes out at 300 yards?
If not, then a bolt action rifle shooting heavy .223 rounds would let him shoot a lot with little fatigue and low cost.
Otherwise 6.5CM / 6CM / 22CM or anything in that range that suits his fancy. Even .308 with light fast bullets would work well for cheap shooting.
Already bought the MDT send it levelI know you probably dont want to spend more money, But especially for shooting past 1k, I would recommend getting a MDT send it level and the Brandt ACI. This will put the level right in your eyepiece and you will subconsciously always be level. As distance increases, any cant gets magnified, especially if you hold wind. Its a game changer.
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Ocular Housing ACI - Black - Short Action Precision
The Brandt Built Ocular Housing Anti Cant indicator improves the ease of vizibility of your exisitng Long Range Arms Send It line of level by letting you see the lights right on the ocular of your scope!This add on does not permanently modify the original level at all. Simply remove the Send It...www.shortactionprecision.com
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Send iT - MV3 Electronic Level System - Short Action Precision
The New MV3 series Send iT. The modular solution for both left and right hand shooters. If You Can "Add to Cart", Then YES it actually is in Stock! The MV3 uses the same tried and true electronics and functions exactly the same as the previous models. The primary difference is the MV3 features a...www.shortactionprecision.com
I got the razor gen III 6x36what did you get ....and sorry if i hijacked your thread with my questions
I know you probably dont want to spend more money, But especially for shooting past 1k, I would recommend getting a MDT send it level and the Brandt ACI. This will put the level right in your eyepiece and you will subconsciously always be level. As distance increases, any cant gets magnified, especially if you hold wind. Its a game changer.
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Ocular Housing ACI - Black - Short Action Precision
The Brandt Built Ocular Housing Anti Cant indicator improves the ease of vizibility of your exisitng Long Range Arms Send It line of level by letting you see the lights right on the ocular of your scope!This add on does not permanently modify the original level at all. Simply remove the Send It...www.shortactionprecision.com
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Send iT - MV3 Electronic Level System - Short Action Precision
The New MV3 series Send iT. The modular solution for both left and right hand shooters. If You Can "Add to Cart", Then YES it actually is in Stock! The MV3 uses the same tried and true electronics and functions exactly the same as the previous models. The primary difference is the MV3 features a...www.shortactionprecision.com
If you install it correctly all the wires are shrinked and tucked out of the way. Dont even know they are there. They are becoming VERY popular in PRS for the speed component alone. Also helps with people who forget to look at their level, it forces you to.I know I'm probably in the minority but I disliked the brandt aci. Ended up selling it. Felt like it was just more stuff to hang off my gun and it felt chincy. I tried one because of all of the reviews despite never having an issue seeing my bubble level or my Send It when I had it mounted on the pic rail.
I really like the grey ops mount interface for the send it.
If you install it correctly all the wires are shrinked and tucked out of the way. Dont even know they are there. They are becoming VERY popular in PRS for the speed component alone. Also helps with people who forget to look at their level, it forces you to.
Well, when an asshole continues to asshole, said asshole should expect to get dogpiled.![]()
I can't afford the ones up from that, so I didn't bother.
Very new scope world for this old fudd and the pretty bois do not take kindly if I do not shoot a 22/6 MM bench machine / latte cup holder . I bet they get upset with me using human silhouette targets too and having a scope that does not talk to a cell phone or use batteries .I miss the days when we could have discussions. Actual discussions about the benefits and drawbacks of the different scopes.
Now we get the. I'm a PRS shooter and I know it all. Everything is fucking garbage unless Mr. PRS approves.
Or vendors that pimp their products, I get you are advertising but at a certain point all I can think of is the Sham-Wow guy.
I figured it would be a dude splashing shit on his face the way he gargles. Who knew it was cheap champagne from the bottom rowMake sure to heed all adviseView attachment 8409410
You are so far off base its not funny. Its hilarious that that is what you take away from this conversation.I miss the days when we could have discussions. Actual discussions about the benefits and drawbacks of the different scopes.
Now we get the. I'm a PRS shooter and I know it all. Everything is fucking garbage unless Mr. PRS approves.
Or vendors that pimp their products, I get you are advertising but at a certain point all I can think of is the Sham-Wow guy.
The number one shit talker. Go back to the Pit where someone might care what you have to say.I figured it would be a dude splashing shit on his face the way he gargles. Who knew it was cheap champagne from the bottom row