I can’t say I’m a libertarian anymore

Jgault · May 27, 2024

I’ve considered myself a libertarian for decades, although I’ve never voted for the libertarian party simply because voting for someone who will get 2% of the vote is just pointless. I have voted for the closet thing to a libertarian locally.

My problem is after watching the libertarian convention, they are simply unhinged and no other way to put it but fucking nuts. I can’t see myself ever voting for a Democrat, nor have I in almost 30 years. That leaves me with the Republican Party, which I do agree on most issues but I don’t like big government conservatives, although they are obviously the lesser of two evils compared with big government liberals.

So I’m left with one party where I literally don’t agree with them on a single issue, the other party where I detest the chamber of commerce influence and the short sightedness of passing something like the Patriot Act, then a handful of small parties that seem devoted to trying to prove which one is the least sane. I faithfully vote and that won’t stop, so I’m left with no other choice but being a straight up a republican now.

lonegunman762x51 · May 27, 2024

Your choice is communists, hate, intolerance, fucking evil, 150,000 fent deaths a year and 30,000,000 foreign scum setting up feifdoms in our cities or Trump.

Choose what you want most.

W54/XM-388 · May 27, 2024

It does suck, and badly suck.

But you are either holding your nose and voting Republican as the least evil option.

Or you are in one way or another voting for those pushing at full speed for the destruction of the country and destruction of all that is good.

It sucks that that's the way it is, but these are the times we live in.

hlee · May 27, 2024

I read somewhere that Sequoia wood is so inflexible that the trees shatter when they hit the ground. The make terrible lumber as a result.

This may appear irrelevant to the discussion. I assure you that it is not…

thejeep · May 27, 2024

Nothing more libertarian than cannibalism

Baron23 · May 27, 2024

There is libertarian with a small L which denotes a broad philosophical bend.

There is Libertarian with a large L which denotes a political party of total assholes.

The two are far different IMO.

Jgault · May 27, 2024

hlee said:
I read somewhere that Sequoia wood is so inflexible that the trees shatter when they hit the ground. The make terrible lumber as a result.

This may appear irrelevant to the discussion. I assure you that it is not…

It does make sense, and I’ve always believed to get the best deal available instead of just burning everything down.

Jgault · May 27, 2024

Baron23 said:
There is libertarian with a small L which denotes a broad philosophical bend.

There is Libertarian with a large L which denotes a political party of total assholes.

The two are far different IMO.

Isn’t that the truth

LuckyDuck · May 27, 2024

It's a presidential election year OP- I'm facing similar feelings myself and today's holiday isn't helping. All I can say is just be true to yourself and focus on controlling the "controllables". Your energy, concerns, and efforts are better served being directed towards your family and local elections. When November comes around- as an American citizen, it's your prerogative to vote for whichever candidate you deem best qualified for the office they're campaigning for and you don't owe anyone an explanation if you don't want to share it.

-LD

Jefe's Dope · May 27, 2024

The party was lost when Ron Paul "retired".

Darayavaus · May 27, 2024

Baron23 said:
There is libertarian with a small L which denotes a broad philosophical bend.

There is Libertarian with a large L which denotes a political party of total assholes.

The two are far different IMO.

every Libertarian I know personally ....... is a cunt.

Baron23 · May 27, 2024

Darayavaus said:
every Libertarian I know personally ....... is a cunt.

Bullfrog08 · May 27, 2024

Darayavaus said:
every Libertarian I know personally ....... is a cunt.

Libertarians......They dont want govt involvement in their lives, but participate in all things that require govt babysitting, thereby making govt bigger.

I think they are worse than democrats, because they are fucking wishy wasy on subjects. Pick a fucking side assholes. The options suck, we all agree, but who more clearly defines what you want for your country and kids/grandkids.

LuckyDuck · May 28, 2024

Bullfrog08 said:
Libertarians......They dont want govt involvement in their lives, but participate in all things that require govt babysitting, thereby making govt bigger.

I think they are worse than democrats, because they are fucking wishy wasy on subjects. Pick a fucking side assholes. The options suck, we all agree, but who more clearly defines what you want for your country and kids/grandkids.

I catch what you're throwing there with everything except the notion that your post seems to indicate there are still "sides" rather than us engaging in deliberately designed political theater advancing us towards the same end state presently. Well that and somehow Libertarians are growing the government while the Republicans aren't doing the same thing.

<insert meme with car dealer slapping the roof of the same car comparing the D's and R's and the R's doing the same thing just 'slower'>

-LD

Maser · May 28, 2024

The Libertarian Party and Libertarianism are not the same thing.

sirhrmechanic · May 28, 2024

Jgault said:
I’ve considered myself a libertarian for decades, although I’ve never voted for the libertarian party simply because voting for someone who will get 2% of the vote is just pointless. I have voted for the closet thing to a libertarian locally.

My problem is after watching the libertarian convention, they are simply unhinged and no other way to put it but fucking nuts. I can’t see myself ever voting for a Democrat, nor have I in almost 30 years. That leaves me with the Republican Party, which I do agree on most issues but I don’t like big government conservatives, although they are obviously the lesser of two evils compared with big government liberals.

So I’m left with one party where I literally don’t agree with them on a single issue, the other party where I detest the chamber of commerce influence and the short sightedness of passing something like the Patriot Act, then a handful of small parties that seem devoted to trying to prove which one is the least sane. I faithfully vote and that won’t stop, so I’m left with no other choice but being a straight up a republican now.

Jack kemp is rolling in his grave..

Sirhr

sirhrmechanic · May 28, 2024

thejeep said:
Nothing more libertarian than cannibalism

That’s why I hoard spices not food. Enough Tx BBQ rub and any kind of stringy patchouli-oil saturated backstrap becomes yummy!

Sirhr

supercorndogs · May 28, 2024

Want like 5 containers of 10 year old Dillo dust?

Blue Sky Country · May 28, 2024

The Libertarian Party has always been very small. Too small to lift a payload into orbit by themselves... The purpose of the LP is to align with and boost the best GOP hardline candidate who is going to be the heavy lifter.

Atomic_Lobster · May 28, 2024

thejeep said:
Nothing more libertarian than cannibalism

Dat true
Just ask the potato's uncle

Malum Prohibitum · May 28, 2024

LuckyDuck said:
I catch what you're throwing there with everything except the notion that your post seems to indicate there are still "sides" rather than us engaging in deliberately designed political theater advancing us towards the same end state presently. Well that and somehow Libertarians are growing the government while the Republicans aren't doing the same thing.

<insert meme with car dealer slapping the roof of the same car comparing the D's and R's and the R's doing the same thing just 'slower'>

-LD

Thanks for writing this, LuckyDuck. It is what I have been telling folks for years.

supercorndogs · May 28, 2024

In fairness though when talking elections and percent of who votes for who and what percent of who believes what. Participation hovers around what 25 percent? So there are enough non voters to unseat either party handily.

Charger442 · May 28, 2024

Jefe's Dope said:
The party was lost when Ron Paul "retired".

they had a chance but decided that Gary Johnson was a better option for them than Austin Peterson. THAT was the willful choice they made.
Ron Paul retiring is not something the party can control, people get old and hes damn near 90.

willingly picking Gary Johnson pointed right to their current open borders proponent, LBGTSTKHJL:KJ guy they just nominated.

Sean the Nailer · May 28, 2024

There's one rule that everyone must follow, when they step up to the ballot box:

And that rule is simply to remember that one does not vote for "who's the best" on that ballot. No, one must choose who's the "least worst".

German sausage aside......

GO@HORNS · May 28, 2024

JFK told a young voter in your circumstances back in 1960 that she would never find a candidate or party who stood for everything she was looking for, but she had to vote for the one who stood for the most.

Ronws · May 28, 2024

The OP I would ask what are the downsides of "big conservatives"?

Libertarians I have been aware of are just interested in decriminalizing drugs, etcetera. To each his own, yeah, but really, we have to sit down and pay bills. Dems cannot do that. In fact, they are mostly just commies these days.

I keep saying repubs are good at losing because they won't fight like dems. But really, that is not fair. To be a moral person, you cannot do the things that dems do, even if you want to win.

I am not registered to any party but I have voted conservative all the times that I could vote, since the age that I could vote. I remember when I was 16 and standing in line with my mother at the voting place (she voted for Reagan.)

And yes, there are plenty of snakes in the repub party but as long as we have guys like Cruz, et al, we have someone, somewhere, questioning and holding accountable the overreach of government. As it turns out, throwing hands up and saying all is lost does not help anything. Strange, I know, but there it is.

And, to also respond to the OP, yes, you are correct, really, you can only vote for the Orange Man because all else is such putrid offal that it doesn't make sense to even vote for them.

GO@HORNS · May 28, 2024

Very good post above! Well said.

GO@HORNS · May 28, 2024

People need to come to terms. They need to look at it that they're not voting for Trump per se, they're voting against Biden.

Mwalex · May 28, 2024

If someone is struggling between voting for Trump or Biden I would have to question their grip on reality. Too many have personalized Trump rather than looking at his performance. This kind of personalization is nothing more than emotional immaturity and look at where it has gotten us.

Rthur · May 28, 2024

Has anyone heard of destroying a bad institution from the inside?
As many have commented, there is a strangle hold on "voting/elections/2 party".
What would be the required action to destroy/move past this reality?
Is there any candidates that is/are hated by this 2 party system? (that have a legitimate chance of winning)
The above also assumes that another fix isn't the inevitable outcome.

R

eca7891 · May 28, 2024

This pretty much sums it up in a picture.

Milf Dots · May 28, 2024

Both acts of "not voting" and "not voting straight Repub in any general election" are acts of a traitorous idiot- because both allow the Kakistocracy to continue.

eca7891 · May 28, 2024

Thinking there is a difference in parties is an act of……

Apologies in advance.

supercorndogs · May 28, 2024

fpgt72 · May 28, 2024

The third party thing is really a waste of time, and you will have a hard time telling me the only reason is to act as a spoiler.

If Teddy Roosevelt could not win on a third party then no one can.

Ronws · May 28, 2024

GO@HORNS said:
People need to come to terms. They need to look at it that they're not voting for Trump per se, they're voting against Biden.

I think that is partly why Obama won. The people were not all that in love with him/her/whatever. But they were definitely against McCain/Palin.

912173 · May 28, 2024

I'd say the Trump/America first movement is the third party. He's just wearing the republican party as a skin suit.

If you want to feel better about libertarians, watch some stuff from Dave Smith.

Milf Dots · May 28, 2024

Denying there is a difference in parties is an act of self delusion...

One only has to look at America under Trump vs America under Xiden to see the chasm.

Charger442 · May 28, 2024

Ronws said:
I think that is partly why Obama won. The people were not all that in love with him/her/whatever. But they were definitely against McCain/Palin.

no, i dont think thats the case. the media did an INCREDIBLE job on their character assassination of Sarah Palin. it was one of the worst hit jobs thats ever been done, but it was effective.

and remember, this was before McCain really revealed himself to the whole nation that he was a peice of shit. now, people in AZ may have already known from his policies but after the 2008 lost, McCain went full RINO.

we could have repealed obama care fully, if it wasnt for him. also, remember he gave us the steele dossier and passed it off as legit.

fpgt72 · May 28, 2024

Charger442 said:
no, i dont think thats the case. the media did an INCREDIBLE job on their character assassination of Sarah Palin. it was one of the worst hit jobs thats ever been done, but it was effective.

and remember, this was before McCain really revealed himself to the whole nation that he was a peice of shit. now, people in AZ may have already known from his policies but after the 2008 lost, McCain went full RINO.

we could have repealed obama care fully, if it wasnt for him. also, remember he gave us the steele dossier and passed it off as legit.

I think when the time comes you will see the same thing done to Kari Lake. If she is as she appears to be she will be destroyed. And the only way you can really tell anymore is looking at who the press goes after.

Charger442 · May 28, 2024

fpgt72 said:
I think when the time comes you will see the same thing done to Kari Lake. If she is as she appears to be she will be destroyed. And the only way you can really tell anymore is looking at who the press goes after.

i think Kari is pretty squeaky clean. if she wasnt, she'd have taken the bribe buyout she was offered.

armorpl8chikn · May 28, 2024

You know how you know, the libertarian party are a gaggle of useless idiots and quisling plants?
They are still around.
A real grassroots organization, that gains any traction with real patriots will be quickly disbanded and destroyed.
Tea Party is a prime example.
If they aren't controlling you, they will destroy you.
MAGA is doomed. Theyll infiltrate, or they'll dismantle and destroy it. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.
Look for them to get an operative deep in the camp. Hussy Gabard is one of the orbiting death stars they have ready. Lots of others.
The Republic is dead.

sirhrmechanic · May 28, 2024

912173 said:
I'd say the Trump/America first movement is the third party. He's just wearing the republican party as a skin suit.

If you want to feel better about libertarians, watch some stuff from Dave Smith.

Same as the American Communist Party is wearing the Democratic Party as a skin suit... and more so.

Trump movement is like the Reagan movement in the late 70's. People fed up with liberal shit. Sadly, Bush and Clinton and the rest of them came along and sold us down the river to globalist BS instead of being "Americans." Stick your 'Thousand Points of Light" up your ass, GHWB.

Sirhr

Ronws · May 28, 2024

Charger442 said:
no, i dont think thats the case. the media did an INCREDIBLE job on their character assassination of Sarah Palin. it was one of the worst hit jobs thats ever been done, but it was effective.

and remember, this was before McCain really revealed himself to the whole nation that he was a peice of shit. now, people in AZ may have already known from his policies but after the 2008 lost, McCain went full RINO.

we could have repealed obama care fully, if it wasnt for him. also, remember he gave us the steele dossier and passed it off as legit.

And yet, I would get grief when I suggested that the republicans would have given Obama a tougher run for the money if Palin was in the #1 spot. It's optics and she is more conservative in her pinkie finger than McCain was in his entire body. But the republicans lacked the cojones to commit.

W54/XM-388 · May 28, 2024

Ronws said:
And yet, I would get grief when I suggested that the republicans would have given Obama a tougher run for the money if Palin was in the #1 spot. It's optics and she is more conservative in her pinkie finger than McCain was in his entire body. But the republicans lacked the cojones to commit.

McStain was never going to win.
It was Bush thought it was going to be a simple setup to hand the presidency over to Hilary to keep it all in the club.
But the guys actually running the world swooped Barry in at the last moment to grab the fix away from Hilary.

McStain's team did more to destroy his own VP pick in the media than the Democrats did.

Ronws · May 28, 2024

W54/XM-388 said:
McStain was never going to win.
It was Bush thought it was going to be a simple setup to hand the presidency over to Hilary to keep it all in the club.
But the guys actually running the world swooped Barry in at the last moment to grab the fix away from Hilary.

McStain's team did more to destroy his own VP pick in the media than the Democrats did.

I think you got it right. Nice analysis. And Hillary stewed but stepped aside. I am suprised Bari is still alive. We know what happens to people who cross her.

BCP · May 28, 2024

Jgault said:
they are simply unhinged and no other way to put it but fucking nuts

They've become a parody of themselves tbh.

W54/XM-388 · May 28, 2024

Ronws said:
I am suprised Bari is still alive. We know what happens to people who cross her.

Because they both report to the same masters...

BCP · May 28, 2024

W54/XM-388 said:
But the guys actually running the world swooped Barry in at the last moment to grab the fix away from Hilary

It was Ted Kennedy and one other Demoncrat power broker, they literally had a meeting and decided that a black guy who "talks nice on camera" was a better candidate lol.

Bender · May 28, 2024

Darayavaus said:
every Libertarian I know personally ....... is a cunt.

Oh, you know Maser?

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