MK 12 Picture & Discussion Thread
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Possibly because longer rail systems weren't prolific at the time.
Getting started
. Got me an ACE Socom (long), and an a2. Definitely won't be a "clone", but will certainly be loosely based. 16", mid gas, 1/8t.
Took the mod H out this morning. Tried Hornady Black 75gr BTHP, shoots good but damn that stuffs dirty.
So what is the general consensus on which night Vision clipon is correct for a Mk12 Mod 0? Is it the kn203, kn253, pvs 22 or what? There is some conflicting opinions I’ve seen and I sure do t know. I have a MK12 Mod 0. I also have a perfect condition 203fab. I have been passively looking for a PVS 22 that don’t look like it was thrown out of a plane because my entire kit is all brand new unfired stuff amd I want the clipon, if I get one, to look “as new” as possible. Thanks in advance for the info
I’ve never seen a Kn203/253 in service on a Mod 0. It’s feasible but those things sucked and were completely sidelined in favor of UNSs like the PVS22/24/30 for what I would consider the vast majority of the Mod 0 fielding.
In USASOC 22s were fairly common early on but I’d say mostly phased out by 2010. 24s from the Block II program got a lot of use, it’s technically optimized for 4-6x but I’d it was still better resolution than most of the 22s being field. I personally employed the 24s on my Mod 0 and 1 specifically when distances were short the added weight reduction was great.
SU232s also saw some limited employment as well in the same capacity as the 24s.
The PVS29/30 followed and was a notable improvement in performance for optimizing optics in the 10-15x ranges but a bit heavier than the previous two. If you really want to maximize your Mod 1 performance while remaining cannon, then this is the best way.
Thanks for the info. I just picked up a 22 for my xm-3 and it feels right at home in my mod1
Ive been jonesing around for a Mk12 for years. And after the gunlaws in Sweden changed last year, I got started.
A few weeks ago a small white cardboard box from PRI showed up, I am pretty sure that it is the only one in Sweden.
In it, was the Mk12 mod H build kit and I was more than happy to get it. Rebuilt my upper and this is the results. I guess its a "Mock 12" as I cant get it to be a true clone build. But I am happy non the less.
I kept my Razor G3 1-10x and the suppressor is a Swedish made Infitech IFTS which has a bit of the AEM styling as you can see, but it is a flowthrough suppressor and it works great.
I have a titanium prototype suppressor for it as well, and will get some photos of it tomorrow. As it is I am wating for the yellow DHL truck to swing by with my FDE Sopmod stock to complete the build.
A few weeks ago a small white cardboard box from PRI showed up, I am pretty sure that it is the only one in Sweden.
In it, was the Mk12 mod H build kit and I was more than happy to get it. Rebuilt my upper and this is the results. I guess its a "Mock 12" as I cant get it to be a true clone build. But I am happy non the less.
I kept my Razor G3 1-10x and the suppressor is a Swedish made Infitech IFTS which has a bit of the AEM styling as you can see, but it is a flowthrough suppressor and it works great.
I have a titanium prototype suppressor for it as well, and will get some photos of it tomorrow. As it is I am wating for the yellow DHL truck to swing by with my FDE Sopmod stock to complete the build.
So, today I got to take the completed build to the range. The gunclub ran a small competition, first we shot 25 rounds precision shooting with "Swedish K" at 100 meters. Then we shot precision at 300 meters with rifles, I won the AR class with the Mock 12. So a good start.
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I guess its a douche move to mention Swedish K and not post a picture of one of the guns on the line today. So here goes:
Older picture but same "K". It belongs to my friend and it is pretty awesome in all its crudeness. Naturally it is full auto, they never made anything else. You can shot single shot if you have decent trigger control, and that is (usually) what we do when we shoot with them.
Older picture but same "K". It belongs to my friend and it is pretty awesome in all its crudeness. Naturally it is full auto, they never made anything else. You can shot single shot if you have decent trigger control, and that is (usually) what we do when we shoot with them.
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Got to play with one recently. You forget just how much subguns feel like utilitarian farm implements once wartime production needs pared them down to their base elements. Then I held an Owen, and the K felt like a Rolls Royce..
Had to Google what an Owen was, and that thing looks pretty horrible.
The K has some pretty nice machinework, but they did not care too much about ergonomics.
Yeah seeing the Owen in person is even worse than pictures can convey. Yesterday we were shooting a PPS43 and a Suomi. Even the ugly sheet metal PPS looks good compared to an Owen. The Suomi is just on another level with its old school wood stocked and milled steel construction. The MP34 is easily the nicest SMG I've ever held.
So another trip to the range today. Tried out a new prototype suppressor from my friend. Also got myself a metal magazine for that vintage look.
This rifle is great.
This rifle is great.
After months of looking around for my mk12 mod 0, i finally found someone whos willing to sell me a NF 2,5-10x32 Zero stop mildot.
Only by luck i noticed it is in sfp. I only use ffp for obvious reasons, my question is: how Do you use a mildot in sfp? Should be more or less impossible? Planning to shoot it up to 600-800m so no way i want to waste 2000 Euros.
Read about different dot values on specific magnifications, anyone know more about this?
Since i am from germany i am used to mils, looking for mil turrets i end up with the nxs 2,5-10x32 or the vortex. Vortex 2,5-10 seems not to be the highest quality to be honest.
Older leupolds were not offered with mil turrets as far as i know.
Any other scopes that were issued in ffp, mil turrets/reticle? Trying to stay as close to the original as possible. The sfp of the nf seems it is not usable for milling/longer distances. Were those really issued in sfp?
Another option would be the nf 2,5-10x42 or my PMII 10x42 if i cant get an original scope
Any input is highly appreciated.
Best regards
Daniel
Only by luck i noticed it is in sfp. I only use ffp for obvious reasons, my question is: how Do you use a mildot in sfp? Should be more or less impossible? Planning to shoot it up to 600-800m so no way i want to waste 2000 Euros.
Read about different dot values on specific magnifications, anyone know more about this?
Since i am from germany i am used to mils, looking for mil turrets i end up with the nxs 2,5-10x32 or the vortex. Vortex 2,5-10 seems not to be the highest quality to be honest.
Older leupolds were not offered with mil turrets as far as i know.
Any other scopes that were issued in ffp, mil turrets/reticle? Trying to stay as close to the original as possible. The sfp of the nf seems it is not usable for milling/longer distances. Were those really issued in sfp?
Another option would be the nf 2,5-10x42 or my PMII 10x42 if i cant get an original scope
Any input is highly appreciated.
Best regards
Daniel
I do believe that the reticle subtensions is right at max magnification which is where you will be for those long shots anyhow. Nightforce is GTG in my book.
Would be interesting to test it before buying, unfortunately thats impossible. Only own S&B and Kahles. NF seems to be quiet popular in the US.
I am a bit concerned about the eyebox with high magnifications, however this might be the chance for coming as close to the original as possible.
I am a bit concerned about the eyebox with high magnifications, however this might be the chance for coming as close to the original as possible.
I am in Sweden but you dont see very many Nightforce scopes around here either, but every once in a while you see one at the range. I had a 5.5-22x56 NXS a few years ago and I liked that scope, it was only let down by the old 5 MIL non zero-stop turrets. If it was a newer one, with 10 MIL zero-stop turrets I might have kept it. Granted there are better scopes around, but it absolutely was good enough.
I would guess that the eyebox on the 2.5-10x32 should be decent enough. Definitely usable.
Found this 3.5-15x50 never noticed any eye box issues other than a little shadow at 15. Adapt.
A small objective and higher magnification gives a smaller exit pupil and thus a smaller eye box (I think I am using the right terms here). There are no such issues with your scope as it is pretty much the opposite.
Found this 3.5-15x50 never noticed any eye box issues other than a little shadow at 15. Adapt.
Another go at the range with the "mock 12". This time with a updated suppressor with no brake. I like this one much better. 10 oz titanium flowthrough suppressor from my friends company.
I like it, it is the best AR grip that I have found/tried so far.
For the better part of the previous 10 years I have been shooting with KRG W3 chassis and the Kung Fu grip is the closest I have found to the grip angle and feel of the KRG. So that is why it is a keeper.
If the Kung Fu grip was about 10% longer and had 10% more girth, it would be amazing. But as it is, it is pretty damn good.
I could not refuse any longer. If one wants to go the whole nine yards, one needs an AEM suppressor, or at least a very well made copy.
So I had to get a Swiss made Acheron SPR E5, which mounts to the original PRI brake and collar system. So now I just have to turn down the front of my barrel a bit, to fit the collar. But thats not a big issue.
As there is not a lot of info about Acherons AEM5 style suppressor online, and no documentation at all in the box. I sent them an e-mail and got a very quick reply from the engineer behind it. He is also a big MK12 afficionado by the way. All that is written online is that the SPR E5 is like a AEM5 but with modern internals. I would say that they are a bit more than that. The Acheron is made of 1.4404 stainless steel and the baffles are made of 17-4 PH, it is fully welded and ceracoated. My guess is that is as close to indestructable as it can be.
And I do believe that the original AEM5 has an alloy main rube and stainless internals? Which really should be more than enough.
So I had to get a Swiss made Acheron SPR E5, which mounts to the original PRI brake and collar system. So now I just have to turn down the front of my barrel a bit, to fit the collar. But thats not a big issue.
As there is not a lot of info about Acherons AEM5 style suppressor online, and no documentation at all in the box. I sent them an e-mail and got a very quick reply from the engineer behind it. He is also a big MK12 afficionado by the way. All that is written online is that the SPR E5 is like a AEM5 but with modern internals. I would say that they are a bit more than that. The Acheron is made of 1.4404 stainless steel and the baffles are made of 17-4 PH, it is fully welded and ceracoated. My guess is that is as close to indestructable as it can be.
And I do believe that the original AEM5 has an alloy main rube and stainless internals? Which really should be more than enough.
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I have been eyeballing the mk5 3-18. Considering trying a QP match, or something along those lines, and as much as I love the compact NXS, I can see where the extra mags of the HD5 and FFP could help, especially with a 90* red dot.
Looking forward to hearing how you like it.
Have several Mk5s on my Mk12s. Best scope for those guns. Way better glass, adjustment system for zeroing, and zero stop than the Nx8. And clone correct.
Admittedly I’ve been a huge fan of the mark 5 since it launched and honestly miss my original 5-25. The 3.6-18 is the weaker of the two originals. But it remedies most of the issues that plague the mark 6. Better CA control and mainly a much better eyebox. Resolution isn’t the greatest especially in heavy mirage but it’s still good. It’s just tiny ass optic. I’ve ran it to 800 and taken a doe at 400 with it this year. Mainly it’s affordable as hell used or calling around, i got it with rings used for $1430. This one has the cch which no one seems to want but if you can get over the .25 hashes it’s an extremely useable reticle. I’m asking leupold if they’ll swap it to T3.
It’s kind of always on the heels of the 4-16 ATACR just not quite as well rounded. But smaller and lighter.
I just ordered a NX8 2.5-20 for the LM8 build. I’ll be able to put them side by side here in a couple of weeks. Oddly enough i never thought id be a fan of that optic then looked through both the 2.5-20 and 4-32 and was decently impressed. Then Bill re reviewed it and was very impressed with it so i was sold on trying one. I hope the turrets have improved. The two i handled leave a whole lot to be desired.
You can find pics of them being run in the field and comps now. Granted I’ve never seen a mod H with one. I can find several mod 1s with MK5s
Example A
Example B at the bottom
Example B at the bottom
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Pretty sure there is a pic of @Rudy Gonsior floating around with a mod1/mk5 HD from back in the day.
