yes 50 BMG, I had a devil of a time getting a reading at all.50? .50bmg?
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View thread Contact supportyes 50 BMG, I had a devil of a time getting a reading at all.50? .50bmg?
yes 50 BMG, I had a devil of a time getting a reading at all.
I will likely pick up one of these small doppler systems for MV when the price comes down, really great the capability is now available on a commodity IC. Be interested to see how this market progresses in the next few.
The only way price goes down is if Caldwell has them made in China
Garmin will wipe most Radar Chronos off the market ,but it also seems it will not be 599$ for long.
I have a MagnetoSpeed V2 that I've had for a decade, I have a Bulletseeker Mach4 that I'm not entirely happy with (location is too damn picky when shooting suppressed), and I ordered a Garmin the other day when they dropped, and it will be here tomorrow.Garmin Xero anyone?
Low and behold. The markets do what the markets do.
Yeah, mine won't work without the cone. You mean you actually got a response from the company? All this time and I have yet to hear a damn thing from anyone at Speedtracker... I even DM'd the dude on here when my first unit stopped working after 3 readings, and never heard shit. Luckily I did the smart thing and bought it from Midway, so I was able to return it and get another one. Luckily the new unit started working right, and has been thus far, but it's so damn finicky about picking up suppressed shots, I would be glad to send my unit back for a trade-in or upgrade to the new Mach4+ they're releasing that has an updated cone setup for better detection. They should upgrade our units with the new cone and hardware at the very least...For me the final straw with the Bulletseeker was the “fuck off” attitude when I asked if I could replace my finicky early model with the new version. That and charging $120 for a $3 cast aluminum cone that is practically necessary to make the thing work.
These aren't fair comparisons at all.While i can only imagine that Garmin units costs about 120$ out of the Taiwanese factory, they have seen market is ready to pay more and the rest will keep it that way . Have you seen anything shooting related get cheaper?
If anything in a decade prices only went up and dramatically so
chronographs went from 150$ to 1000$
shooting timers from 90 to 300$
Bipods from 100$ to near 1000$
Tripods from 200$ to near 1400$
This is exactly why getting my money back from the one I bought was the best decision I've made in a long time.Yeah, mine won't work without the cone. You mean you actually got a response from the company? All this time and I have yet to hear a damn thing from anyone at Speedtracker... I even DM'd the dude on here when my first unit stopped working after 3 readings, and never heard shit. Luckily I did the smart thing and bought it from Midway, so I was able to return it and get another one. Luckily the new unit started working right, and has been thus far, but it's so damn finicky about picking up suppressed shots, I would be glad to send my unit back for a trade-in or upgrade to the new Mach4+ they're releasing that has an updated cone setup for better detection. They should upgrade our units with the new cone and hardware at the very least...
I am fully aware of that but ultimately benjamins i am spending on shooting are only going up................. and i didn't even go at stuff that changed jack shit just got more expensive because they can , bullets,brass,gunpowder,primersThese aren't fair comparisons at all.
Chronographs:
$150 for decades old technology that requires a decent amount of time downrange and the correct weather conditions to use.
$1000 for advanced radar that (theoretically) you strap to your gun and go, picking up hundreds of data points per shot and it sends data to your phone.
$600 for radar technology that is beyond forgiving and doesn't suck. Also sends all that data to your phone.
Bipods
$100 - stamped sheet metal harris with springs.
$1000 - The most versatile bipod anyone's ever seen that allows for crazy height changes, angles, etc, made from CNC machined aluminum
$300 - Gets you CNC machined parts resulting in a bipod that isn't basically made of springs so it's more stable.
Tripods:
$100 - Cheap thin extruded aluminum, used to work ok before we started shooting with/off of them or actually cared about stabillity.
$1000 - Carbon fiber and machined aluminum. The expensive ones are made by those who did all the necessary RND to design great products
$300-600 - Everyone else who blatantly copied the expensive products and made them overseas.
Please note that ALL the cheap options are still available and if anything are even cheaper. The problem is that they're outdated and can't do anything the new stuff does.
These aren't fair comparisons at all.
Chronographs:
$150 for decades old technology that requires a decent amount of time downrange and the correct weather conditions to use.
$1000 for advanced radar that (theoretically) you strap to your gun and go, picking up hundreds of data points per shot and it sends data to your phone.
$600 for radar technology that is beyond forgiving and doesn't suck. Also sends all that data to your phone.
Bipods
$100 - stamped sheet metal harris with springs.
$1000 - The most versatile bipod anyone's ever seen that allows for crazy height changes, angles, etc, made from CNC machined aluminum
$300 - Gets you CNC machined parts resulting in a bipod that isn't basically made of springs so it's more stable.
Tripods:
$100 - Cheap thin extruded aluminum, used to work ok before we started shooting with/off of them or actually cared about stabillity.
$1000 - Carbon fiber and machined aluminum. The expensive ones are made by those who did all the necessary RND to design great products
$300-600 - Everyone else who blatantly copied the expensive products and made them overseas.
Please note that ALL the cheap options are still available and if anything are even cheaper. The problem is that they're outdated and can't do anything the new stuff does.
Triple pull Ckyepod. Double pull is right up there with it.What bipod costs $1,000?????
Triple pull Ckyepod. Double pull is right up there with it.
What bipod costs $1,000?????
Well it seems the whole business was acquired by Optex Systems Holdings, Inc so will see if it all fades into obscurity or gets a new lease of life
Current pricing is not competitive with Garmin or Labradar
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Given Optex is mostly active in the field of military optics it seems unlikely product would continue as is tech will likely be used in some new product.Oooof.
Unless they either drop the price to 2-300 bucks for the current rig, it's going to fade into obscurity.
At 200, in the current market there will be some buyers - that is based on features. If it remains finnicky, it probably needs to be 100 to have buyers.
I suspect it was acquired for the IP and they will leverage that to build something better or use it to license the tech.
I can imagine if they wanted they can price them to compete with both, i can imagine manufacturing is cheap enough, but as they were the first to the market in rifle-mounted radars they pushed the pricing as far as the market could take and beyond.The Garmin Xero will no doubt cause this entire product line to struggle (as it will the Labradar).
Long Live Capitalism !!!
The free market has a way of mercilessly punishing "late" and/or "over-priced".
A few months ago, I was literally at the point of having one in my Shopping Cart at Midway USA and was one cl ick away from purchasing it. The little demon on my shoulder talked me out of it at the last minute. So thankful for that ...Fuck Bulletseeker. Poor CS, expensive, finicky, etc. Mine is basically a $1000 paperweight now that I have a Xero.
Sounds like you are game for 100$ trade ins now all the rage on SHFuck Bulletseeker. Poor CS, expensive, finicky, etc. Mine is basically a $1000 paperweight now that I have a Xero.
Yep… Mine too. Sits in its pouch and collects dust until I decide to dust it off someday… Might call Midway and tell them it’s not functioning right (it still misses ALOT of shots, and is super finicky), and if they’ll hook me up with a refund, or store credit.Fuck Bulletseeker. Poor CS, expensive, finicky, etc. Mine is basically a $1000 paperweight now that I have a Xero.
Mine works ok but obviously these have no screen so everything has to be done through the app, which automatically makes it suck compared to the Garmin. I don’t think I’ll ever use mine again. Waste of a thousand bucks.
As much trouble as I've had with BOTH of mine (first one, and then the replacement unit), I think they owe those of us who had serious problems (and still have problems) a goddamn upgrade for FREE. If they don't, then they're nothing more than scammers and conmen. You ain't fooling me twice. Still might try to end up sending it back to Midway USA for a store credit.I just got this add to "upgrade" my BS4 by paying $575, which is basically the price of a chronograph that actually works; i.e., the Garmin. So I paid $1,000+fees and shipping for a piece of crap that does not work and they want me to pay another $575 to "upgrade" to one that might work?! Fool me twice, shame on me!!! What a joke!!! These people are complete scammers, but they did suck me in the first time....so good for them.
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Missing tons of shots...And being SUPER picky about having to be placed perfectly every single time to pickup ANY shots. It's really annoying.What is the issues that you guys are seeing alot of?
Ya I hear that it really is unfortunate and makes me wonder if maybe they got word that Garmin was coming out with the best device ever and bs rushed it out there..Missing tons of shots...And being SUPER picky about having to be placed perfectly every single time to pickup ANY shots. It's really annoying.
Yeah, maybe to vacuum up some cash to recoup at least a bit of their R&D.Ya I hear that it really is unfortunate and makes me wonder if maybe they got word that Garmin was coming out with the best device ever and bs rushed it out there..
Not so... AI sounds like ME. I'm so old that I'm SURE that many of my habits & styles have been picked-up by AI authors & the like. Kinda like history: I have very little history to learn... I WAS THERE!You sound……..almost AI like.
I've already kept mine from Midway too long for a refund & thrown-out the packaging. However, I WAS so impressed, that I DID buy the Speedtracker Mach4+. The ad that Spuzzcat posted from his May 2, 2024 message was still present on their website. I tried to use it & I got a message saying that the discount code was invalid. I sent a (very polite) message asking if the discount was still available, and got a reply from no less than Klara (mentioned here in earlier posts: Kozak, Klara <[email protected]>)! She opened-up the discount code, so I pulled the trigger AGAIN, & I now have a Mark4+ on the way! So I'll soon have TWO (although I'm still waiting for it... I'm currently on a business trip & obviously haven't checked my mail.)You should return that one and I'll sell you mine for 300...