You won’t need to. I’m not sure running two cups would be any faster than just one.
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Ingenuity Precision trickler
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I need some good news in my life.
Think I might find it here soon?
Think I might find it here soon?
Just out here sweating my ass off for 50 rounds. I will say the A&D is pretty sweet though.
I’m with you, man. I’m bulk dumping with an RCBS Uniflow and hand tricking for now. Very tiresome, but the A&D is a big jump ahead from a beam scale. Can’t wait for the IP unit to arrive.
Are we getting close? F-Class John has a nice video!
I sure hope so. But keep in mind FCJ posted a video 6 months ago about the IP system with the caption “it’s finally here”.
Forged in the still glowing crucible of our Corsair K95 keyboards and Samsung Odyssey Neo G9 's... Standing guard in our Steelcase Gesture's and Herman Miller Jarvis's...
We probably hit dirt 98.9999378% of the time, BUT OUR COMPLAINING IS UNMATCHED.
Real talk: Excited for this product for shrinking my workspace, the analog input, and a high potential of not having to constantly clean out and recalibrate due to bouncing kernels.
We probably hit dirt 98.9999378% of the time, BUT OUR COMPLAINING IS UNMATCHED.
Real talk: Excited for this product for shrinking my workspace, the analog input, and a high potential of not having to constantly clean out and recalibrate due to bouncing kernels.
Anyone know or have experience finding the best disks for 223 extruded powders like 8208 XBR or AR comp. I seem to recall varget's disk was usable, but its maybe not the ideal, since two disks were listed in the settings/manual.
XBR 8208 works perfectly with the recommended 7545 disk for me. What issues are you seeing?
Use some kernels and place them inside the notches of the disk to evaluate. If you want to use 1 disk for both 8208xbr and AR COMP, use 7545. It'll be more precise.
Pics of AR Comp. I use 508 (for AR Comp) because it has slightly deeper notches than 7545, which allows for perpendicular orientation of the short length kernels (2 per notch) or parallel orientation of medium length kernel (1 per notch) of AR Comp. There will still be the occasional kernel that is too long for either disk.
If your lot of powder on average has longer cut kernels go with the 508. If they trend on the shorter length, go with 7545.
Does the full system come with all the disks? It’s been so long since I pre ordered I don’t recall what all I selected lol
it will come with discs that cover bulk of the popular powders. For the odd ball stuff you can purchase those discs separately when it comes time to purchase the unit.
Not a chance....Spolar serial #420....going on 26 years and still going strong.
Ok, back to Ingenuity and rifle stuff. lol
Look...I appreciate any info on this powder measure system...even from F-class John. I'm in the pre-order and I'm really hoping this pans out as it looks outstanding.
But that video is like 37 minutes of one of the most annoying infomercials I have ever viewed. I just find his voice and presentation manner annoying.
Yeah, I'm grumpy old guy. lol
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The disc for ball powders is NOT included, correct? If not, I suspect it will be the most added on disc.
I’m on the pre-order list to. After the video I’m really on the fence about purchasing one. My setup at the moment works really well. I think I’m going to let everyone else test drive them first. They will still be there at a later date if my setup messes up or everyone says you can’t do without one.
I've met John and he's a super nice guy. I liked his videos reviewing products he was passionate about. I don't enjoy the new infomercial format.
Yeah, he has definitely put in some money and work to have a much more professional looking video product.
Unfortunately; it changes the dynamic or feel of the video. His older videos gave the feeling of a shooting buddy showing you his cool new toys, and his new video gives the feeling of a paid advertisement (infomercial) for a product. It shows that it is possible for a video to be over produced.
I am really excited to have a powder dispensing apparatus that makes me as satisfied as my AMP akneeling machine, my Prazipress, my Giraud trimmer, and my WTC dies
But yeah -
Infomercial #backfire
But yeah -
Infomercial #backfire
He's just doing what so many people are doing to generate viewership and get paid by YouTube.
Not a big deal as far as I'm concerned.
It does seem a little over the top. Agreed.
The explanation is nice, though. But his latest style of videos is almost akin to UR.
I shoot with him locally from time to time (I'm proud to say I've beat him every single time
), so I'll be sure to give a hard time and kick him in the shins. He's a very, very nice guy in person.I can not watch a UR video. If he was reviewing dog shit he would tell you that you couldn’t live without it for your reloading bench.It does seem a little over the top. Agreed.
The explanation is nice, though. But his latest style of videos is almost akin to UR.
I shoot with him locally from time to time (I'm proud to say I've beat him every single time
Wow. The new filming studio
Meet F-Class Gavin, folks
Meet F-Class Gavin, folks
Initial thoughts on the whole video: the hopper system looks good to go. There looks like alot of quality in the metal/machining to hold the thrower and the trickler. The trickler concept is already proven and works great (certain edge cases nothwithstanding...etc).
The housing looks like WIP, but is definitely "gen 2" levels of sophistication. This is good, but its also true that after gen1 (alpha) testing comes gen2 (beta) testing...ie the problems for beta testing is things get more subtle and may not be so ovbious.
Lets say you get a couple stray kernels outside of that cup, the are they sitting on the (grey!) platen outside the cup. The super low profile of the cup window appears to have very little light (unlike the perspec a&d windscreen + stainless platen cover). Can you see them? How? What if they are behind the cup? Theres no natural light, its dark, and theres no 360˚ inspection ability....ie the area is very closed off...!
Take a look...
I feel like you could throw 50 charges and never know 2-3 kernels are not in the cup.
I understand the engineering of the cup etc to avoid spills, but FCJ talks about how he has had "loose change" leak once during the initial fill, and this whole scenario seems to bee pretty common on powder throwers in general. This is something that definitely happens occasionally, with various tricklers (including hand tricklers, and the AT+IP old school setup.
OK. Please tell me I'm crazy...
The housing looks like WIP, but is definitely "gen 2" levels of sophistication. This is good, but its also true that after gen1 (alpha) testing comes gen2 (beta) testing...ie the problems for beta testing is things get more subtle and may not be so ovbious.
Lets say you get a couple stray kernels outside of that cup, the are they sitting on the (grey!) platen outside the cup. The super low profile of the cup window appears to have very little light (unlike the perspec a&d windscreen + stainless platen cover). Can you see them? How? What if they are behind the cup? Theres no natural light, its dark, and theres no 360˚ inspection ability....ie the area is very closed off...!
Take a look...
I feel like you could throw 50 charges and never know 2-3 kernels are not in the cup.
I understand the engineering of the cup etc to avoid spills, but FCJ talks about how he has had "loose change" leak once during the initial fill, and this whole scenario seems to bee pretty common on powder throwers in general. This is something that definitely happens occasionally, with various tricklers (including hand tricklers, and the AT+IP old school setup.
OK. Please tell me I'm crazy...
The IP self zeros before the next throw, so I wouldn't worry too much.
Having said that, I had a buddy 3D print me a shot glass holder and cup and it is by far the best cup I have ever used in years. I have not see one kernel splash among N565, Varget, H4350, etc... interested to see how the IP holds up.
Having said that, I had a buddy 3D print me a shot glass holder and cup and it is by far the best cup I have ever used in years. I have not see one kernel splash among N565, Varget, H4350, etc... interested to see how the IP holds up.
I know FClassJohn personally. He’s a great guy. Actually sending him my AMP MKII DB so he can do a review of it with the new software.
Guys...please....I never castigated F-class John personally. I don't know him and a number of you do and say he's a great guy. I have no argument with that. I'm sure he's a very nice fella.
My only comment was I found the video presentation annoying. Not quite Popeil Veg-a-matic level but not that far off (yes, I'm being snarky).
I'm still on the pre-order, I'm still looking forward to this product being released in the wild.
That's it.
Cheers and go burn meat, drink alcohol, blow shit up...its an American tradition on the 4th of July.
My only comment was I found the video presentation annoying. Not quite Popeil Veg-a-matic level but not that far off (yes, I'm being snarky).
I'm still on the pre-order, I'm still looking forward to this product being released in the wild.
That's it.
Cheers and go burn meat, drink alcohol, blow shit up...its an American tradition on the 4th of July.
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He made an excellent transition from the close-up camera to the wide view, that’s when I knew it was an infomercial.
Have him get some measurements of the complete assembly and send them to Radio Dust Covers so we can order a really nice cover when the units start shipping.
Base is wide enough and with the shorter hopper tipping over should take some effort.
I’m still confused how he even got “popular”
I bought a product that he was pimping and it was a total piece of shit. That's when I quit watching him. No integrity.
I just can’t stand listening to him talk. He sounds like a late night infomercial and for some reason when he talks it annoys me. He could have sold those blue blocker sunglasses back in the day.
Correct. It used to be included in the powder meter kits but people were asking for other discs and not using the disc for ball powders due to the VS and V3 kits not throwing ball powders very well. The new dropper dispenses ball powders very well and I suspect more people will want that disc now.
You’re crazy. Powder is not going to bounce out of the cup and if it does the platen is made so any stray kernels roll off the sides and not sit there where you might not see them.Initial thoughts on the whole video: the hopper system looks good to go. There looks like alot of quality in the metal/machining to hold the thrower and the trickler. The trickler concept is already proven and works great (certain edge cases nothwithstanding...etc).
The housing looks like WIP, but is definitely "gen 2" levels of sophistication. This is good, but its also true that after gen1 (alpha) testing comes gen2 (beta) testing...ie the problems for beta testing is things get more subtle and may not be so ovbious.
Lets say you get a couple stray kernels outside of that cup, the are they sitting on the (grey!) platen outside the cup. The super low profile of the cup window appears to have very little light (unlike the perspec a&d windscreen + stainless platen cover). Can you see them? How? What if they are behind the cup? Theres no natural light, its dark, and theres no 360˚ inspection ability....ie the area is very closed off...!
Take a look...
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I feel like you could throw 50 charges and never know 2-3 kernels are not in the cup.
I understand the engineering of the cup etc to avoid spills, but FCJ talks about how he has had "loose change" leak once during the initial fill, and this whole scenario seems to bee pretty common on powder throwers in general. This is something that definitely happens occasionally, with various tricklers (including hand tricklers, and the AT+IP old school setup.
OK. Please tell me I'm crazy...
I understand thats the design principle, I'm asking more about the real world.
As mentioned in my post and by FCJ in the video, spilling powder during dispensing is not the only time it may get contaminated. There is also setup/teardown of the shield or hopper, eg when changing powders.
The v1 unit when used with manual throwing is sensitive to platen contamination, and the zero process between throws is manual and less elegant than the automated system.
Personally don't believe any design is infallible. That's why having risk mitigations (zero'ing between throws) is a good step by the designer.
Cheers.
I keep checking ultimate reloading to see if Gavin has gotten his hands on one yet, but no luck so far
