Shots Fired At President Trump's Butler PA Rally!

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terrygood said:
Did you watch video?

He says 5 not 8

First 3 shots were not from Crooks???
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In the video posted on the Fox news site the agent clearly counts 8 casings and the closed caption on the screen clearly says 8 casings.

"Looks like what at least eight? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven eight. At least eight?"
 
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terrygood said:
Is that dubbed? I want to belive, but im not sure.
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Yes it's not just dubbed it's a completely manufactured AI video created by the same team that created the Biden speech video earlier.

You can tell it was the same people because you can see what looks like a reflection of the rifle from the roof on the surface of the Resolute Desk.

Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things that a man needs to believe in the most.
 
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armorpl8chikn said:
Ive alrrady been clear.
Two shooters equals dead 45.
Yes, there were handlers.
PLenty of incompetance as well.
So....yeah....
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I meant Occam’s and Hanlon’s not Bic and Gillette. Might have missed the pun, but if you actually believe the one lone shooter, we goofed up, our guys are the good guys and we’re investigating it trope, that’s not surprising.

The ever changing details alone should be evidence enough to prove they are covering something. If not the involvement of shadow elements, then what pray tell? They’re literally writing their cover up story in real time.
 
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Dam why didnt they just show this video at the hearings???

If Crooks acted alone Trump is screwed.

A 20 year old with no training carried out a perfect assasination. Just a turn of the head changed everything.

Could we just be looking at the after affects of "woke" leadership??
 
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terrygood said:
Dam why didnt they just show this video at the hearings???

If Crooks acted alone Trump is screwed.

A 20 year old with no training carried out a perfect assasination. Just a turn of the head changed everything.

Could we just be looking at the after affects of "woke" leadership??
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terrygood said:


the whole video??
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1. It's now clear that the big (red) ladder everyone has been talking about was brought in by law enforcement after the shooting, to access the roof. While they're all waiting inside the lobby of that building you can hear them talking about how the ladder is "en route" so they can get up there. Mystery solved. If you go frame by frame at 3:28, you can see just behind the tree blocking view of the small "corridor" where the large ladder is seen in photos and that ladder is not yet there.

2. You can see the other, shorter ladder already in place at 3:22. This is the one Crooks' probably brought.

3. At 4:43 (and later in the vid) you can see how CS1 team's view (behind and camera left of Trump) of Crooks was obscured by the large tree. Even taking into account Crooks' body possibly being moved. But if this body cam footage we're watching is of the first people to get up on that roof, then where his body is at this point is where he died. And based on the blood trail, I don't think he was moved laterally from where he was shot. Maybe dragged slightly down-slope so people on the ground wouldn't see the body (if at all).

4. Water tower's line of sight to Trump was also most likely obscured by those trees.
 
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terrygood said:


the whole video??
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This video shows the big flag hanging from the cranes blowing at a full wind. It also shreds the idea that one cop boosted another up to peek on the roof and crooks pointing his rifle at him. Unless the two cops involved were cheerleaders you are not boosting someone to the roof height.
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Y'all are laughing and some 'respected' twitter guy was posted in this thread a ways back talking about phone data (how that gets you to a Zipline?!) that they got which was some feebs phone

So the feeb was the tower sniper and he ziplined down and jumped in some van

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I find it interesting that Wray very specifically says "Cartridges".
Not shell casings, not brass, not spent shells....but "Cartridges".
Now being under oath, he is very aware of the wording he uses. Using cartridges instead of something else is very telling imo.

 
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dankcincy said:
I find it interesting that Wray very specifically says "Cartridges".
Not shell casings, not brass, not spent shells....but "Cartridges".
Now being under oath, he is very aware of the wording he uses. Using cartridges instead of something else is very telling imo.

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What is so telling about that? I'm not following.

And how many times have we seen an official—whether FBI, LEO, military, politician, lawyer, judge—refer to something firearm related by using incorrect terminology. Wray doesn't even know the difference between FPV and live streaming. How much can we really trust his specificity when referring to the thing that gets ejected from an AR15 after it's been fired? He's probably fired an AR15 twice in his life. You think he even knows what a forward assist is? Let alone the difference between a full cartridge and a shell casing?

I looked up his record. He's a lawyer. He has no military or LE experience. He got a law degree from Yale and then served as assistant US attorney for the DOJ in Georgia, prosecuting criminal cases. Did more of that on a federal level and then found his way to the FBI. Not as an agent, but as a lawyer. His knowledge on firearms is about the same as any other jerk-off lawyer.

I stand by my previous statement: we assume people in power, in high-up positions, are experts. They are not. They are "faking it 'til they make it" just like everybody else. And the majority of people in the world are absolute morons.
 
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FourT6and2 said:
What is so telling about that? I'm not following.

And how many times have we seen an official—whether FBI, LEO, military, politician, lawyer, judge—refer to something firearm related by using incorrect terminology. Wray doesn't even know the difference between FPV and live streaming. How much can we really trust his specificity when referring to the thing that gets ejected from an AR15 after it's been fired? He's probably fired an AR15 twice in his life. You think he even knows what a forward assist is? Let alone the difference between a full cartridge and a shell casing?
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He's under oath.
If he says there were X number of "shell casings" found and it later comes out that it was Y number, he has questions to answer.
If he instead says that there were 8 "cartridges" found. He can in no way be accused of lying because 8 cartridges were found, along with a bunch more.
And there's no way in hell the head of the FBI doesn't know the difference between a cartridge and an empty casing.
As for what it's telling of....he's still not willing to disclose how many shots the shooter got off for one reason or another. He either isn't exactly sure yet, is more than happy with the 8 shot narrative that is going around, or something else entirely.
 
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dankcincy said:
He's under oath.
If he says there were X number of "shell casings" found and it later comes out that it was Y number, he has questions to answer.
If he instead says that there were 8 "cartridges" found. He can in no way be accused of lying because 8 cartridges were found, along with a bunch more.
And there's no way in hell the head of the FBI doesn't know the difference between a cartridge and an empty casing.
As for what it's telling of....he's still not willing to disclose how many shots the shooter got off for one reason or another. He either isn't exactly sure yet, is more than happy with the 8 shot narrative that is going around, or something else entirely.
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Ah. You're saying that by using "cartridge" instead of "case", that also includes any unfired cartridges? As in, whatever's in the box of ammo? I find that kind of ridiculous. Sure... when you get down to a game of got ya/semantics, he could play that game, but in an instance of proving perjury, I don't think that would get him that far when the spirit of the question he was asked was clearly about determining how many shots were fired by looking at how many spent shells were found. If he answers... 8 cartridges, and then later goes, "well I wasn't lying because there were 8 cartridges found... along with a box of 50 more..." that's gonna get him in hot water.

Again... he's a lawyer. He's not a gun expert. As the head of the FBI, he should know the difference between FPV and live streaming as well. And he clearly doesn't. He's a government idiot. As I said before, I don't jump immediately to conspiracy theory when it's simpler to just realize people are idiots.
 
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dankcincy said:
He's under oath.
If he says there were X number of "shell casings" found and it later comes out that it was Y number, he has questions to answer.
If he instead says that there were 8 "cartridges" found. He can in no way be accused of lying because 8 cartridges were found, along with a bunch more.
And there's no way in hell the head of the FBI doesn't know the difference between a cartridge and an empty casing.
As for what it's telling of....he's still not willing to disclose how many shots the shooter got off for one reason or another. He either isn't exactly sure yet, is more than happy with the 8 shot narrative that is going around, or something else entirely.
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Mag or clip, cases or cartridges, looking for smoke and saying fire. If there isn't a conspiracy, well golly, well make one, because everything is a conspiracy.

This fits right in with Biden is a dementia addled puppet but he planned his stolen election and all the corruption that came with it. Stupid or brilliant, can't have both. Oh, I get it, it's his "handlers". If there are two or more shooters, why isn't Trump dead? Maybe it's a fake assassination attempt to fit "their" plans? Whomever "They" are.

The depth and breadth of conspiracy theory has no limit until we are at the point where we question whether black is just white because of shadows deliberately put there by "them."

Can't believe anything anymore and now we no longer know fact from fiction.

Paper or plastic used to be an easy decision.

Where did Greg go?
 
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dankcincy said:
He's under oath.
If he says there were X number of "shell casings" found and it later comes out that it was Y number, he has questions to answer.
If he instead says that there were 8 "cartridges" found. He can in no way be accused of lying because 8 cartridges were found, along with a bunch more.
And there's no way in hell the head of the FBI doesn't know the difference between a cartridge and an empty casing.
As for what it's telling of....he's still not willing to disclose how many shots the shooter got off for one reason or another. He either isn't exactly sure yet, is more than happy with the 8 shot narrative that is going around, or something else entirely.
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When's the last time anyone was been brought up on perjury charges for lying to Congress, let alone convicted? He doesn't give a shit. He's likely parroting the information he was told, and if his source said cartridges, he's going to say cartridges. You're reading too much into it.
 
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37L1 said:
Mag or clip, cases or cartridges, looking for smoke and saying fire. If there isn't a conspiracy, well golly, well make one, because everything is a conspiracy.

This fits right in with Biden is a dementia addled puppet but he planned his stolen election and all the corruption that came with it. Stupid or brilliant, can't have both. Oh, I get it, it's his "handlers". If there are two or more shooters, why isn't Trump dead? Maybe it's a fake assassination attempt to fit "their" plans? Whomever "They" are.

The depth and breadth of conspiracy theory has no limit until we are at the point where we question whether black is just white because of shadows deliberately put there by "them."

Can't believe anything anymore and now we no longer know fact from fiction.

Paper or plastic used to be an easy decision.

Where did Greg go?
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"It depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is."

Thank you,
MrSmith
 
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DarnYankeeUSMC said:
This video shows the big flag hanging from the cranes blowing at a full wind. It also shreds the idea that one cop boosted another up to peek on the roof and crooks pointing his rifle at him. Unless the two cops involved were cheerleaders you are not boosting someone to the roof height.
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Thanks for posting, this also corroborates what @DocUSMCRetired posted about wind speed originally
 
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