And I am one…But I’m also always honest, even if the truth sucks sometimes.That is one ugly thing, but it's kinda short sighted to disregard a company based solely on one of their early product. Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one. lol
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And I am one…But I’m also always honest, even if the truth sucks sometimes.That is one ugly thing, but it's kinda short sighted to disregard a company based solely on one of their early product. Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one. lol
Ok- so the Origin or the CDG? Seems like the CDG has a lot going for it but at the same time it has a lot going for it. Seems like more stuff that could potentially go wrong and sounds like some of their previous actions have had revisions. At the same time it seems like there are a lot in the wild and MPA uses them in their rifles so they must be pretty good.That's a tough call. I really like the integral rail and lug. I also like the overall fit and finish and build quality of the Kelbly. I think that the extra features are worth $200.
But, would I buy the Prometheus before the Origin??? I'm not sure. While most chassis can handle the Kelbly trigger hanger, you may run in to some stocks that need to be milled. My Prometheus is new and I have only fitted it and not fired it yet, but the initial bolt close is stiffer than my Origin. My Origin has more rounds down range though. I expect my Kelbly to break in and smooth out a lot over time. I have a TT Diamond in both. I think if I were to start over with the Kelbly, I'd go with a Bix n Andy trigger so that I could adjust my sear height.
Honestly, I would go with Origin or ARC CDG which are both in the same price range. The ARC CDG gives you the extras for the same price as the Origin. I think those 2 should be your focus. Do you want 2 lug and 90* or 3 lug and 70*.
Otherwise, you'll get in to the game of chasing just a couple of hundred more and I could get "x". Then it's but for just an extra $150, I could get "y".
Ok- so the Origin or the CDG? Seems like the CDG has a lot going for it but at the same time it has a lot going for it. Seems like more stuff that could potentially go wrong and sounds like some of their previous actions have had revisions. At the same time it seems like there are a lot in the wild and MPA uses them in their rifles so they must be pretty good.
Only questions I have are about trigger hangers and fitting the CDG to a chassis. This is what it states on the ARC website about chassis:
What does clearance required for trigger hanger mean? I don't really want to have to modify a chassis on my first bolt action build if I don't have to. Are there certain chassis that are better and/or worse for a CDG?
- Remington 700 pattern compatibility
- Clearance required for trigger hanger
And it states the CDG is compatible with any Remington 700 trigger? I was looking at a TT diamond or special- I assume these are good options? Looks like main difference is trigger weight?
These may be dumb questions but I just don't want to run into any "gotchas" putting this thing together. Seems pretty simple but complicated at the same time. LOL
Thanks again!
Thanks so much for the response! I'm probably complicating this way too much which I typically do. I probably just need to order the Origin and be done with it.I have run/owned all the major actions except the CDG. I had an ARC Archimedes and didn’t love the amount of play on the bolt so sold it.
My current main match rifle is a Lone peak fusion and it’s amazing.
My first custom was a bighorn TL2 and was good but bound very easily. The TL3 and origins are a big improvement from my TL2.
I currently have the lone peak, kelbly nanook, and 2 origins. Honestly I like the bolt feel of the origins the best, they are insanely smooth. The rails are pinned so shouldn’t be an issue but I would prefer a 1 piece rail just to remove a possible issue.
The big plus for the origin over all of your other options is the mass availability of prefit barrels both used and new. I was able to pick up 2 custom barrels lightly used off here for about $200 less than just a single custom prefit. All the actions you listed have the option for prefits but the origin had the option for Origin, TL3, and savage prefits with the use of a Hunts Long Range recoil lug. I try to buy TL3 barrels since they in theory should be easiest to sell since both TL3, and origin can use them.
I think the origin is proven, has a company with a stellar track record, and when you call someone actually answers the phone.
I have also tried other peoples solus and it was really nice, not as smooth as my origins but it’s a shorter bolt through so to be expected. Deal breaker for me on the solus is they don’t currently have a 223 bolt head, which I was wanting.
Last point I want to make is the action means very little as long as it cycles, feeds and ejects, which all of the actions you are looking into will do very well. The barrel is what matters for 99% of accuracy.
Hope this rambling is somewhat helpful.
Haha, that's what I've told myself several times- just buy the MPA complete rifle. I do like the idea of having a "one of one" rifle and would prefer and enjoy the process of building my first bolt action.With most chassis you shouldn’t have a problem with the trigger hanger… and if you like the MPA Matrix Pro chassis then just buy the complete rifle from them.
I don’t have an MDT yet, but one is on the way, so I could test fit my ARC CDG but I wouldn’t think there would be a fit problem. But if you search the ARC CDG threads here you’ll see what other chassis people have used. There is a specific build thread somewhere.
And yes, the TT Diamond and Special are both great. Only real difference is pull weight range.
MPA can build some really good rifles. Like I noted earlier, there will be several who will bad mouth them. My only problem with purchasing a complete rifle from MPA is, you miss all the fun of building it yourself. It’s a really good experience. (By the way, yes I got one and it’s a WINNER! Just wish I was as good as it is). Pictured, sighting it in while breaking in its second barrelHaha, that's what I've told myself several times- just buy the MPA complete rifle. I do like the idea of having a "one of one" rifle and would prefer and enjoy the process of building my first bolt action.
I keep flip flopping but will probably just buy the Origin and look at an MDT chassis. Not sure why I'm stuck on the MDTs but I think it's because I see a lot of MPAs out there and just want something different.
And yes, I've read through the CDG build thread and CDG announcement thread as well. Kinda driving myself crazy at this point. LOL
I really appreciate all your help and feedback!
My friend, I have good news for you... LOLI have also tried other peoples solus and it was really nice, not as smooth as my origins but it’s a shorter bolt through so to be expected. Deal breaker for me on the solus is they don’t currently have a 223 bolt head, which I was wanting.
I run proof prefits on my match rifle. Lone Peak with proof 6 dasher. Rifle shoots great. My back up rifle is an Origin with a proof 223 TL3 barrel using the Hunts recoil lug. In my friend group we have a few more people that have switched from custom barrels to the proof prefits. You can’t beat the price and the difference in accuracy is usually equal to the customs we have had, a few of the proofs are slightly less than some of the customs we have had but all have been sub 1/2moa with ease.Thanks so much for the response! I'm probably complicating this way too much which I typically do. I probably just need to order the Origin and be done with it.
I have been looking at the Proof pre-fits. I know there have been some barrel recommendations in this thread and I'd have to go back and look at them but do you have any recommendations on barrels? I like the $650 price range of the Proofs. I understand the barrel is the heart of any good rifle and don't want to skimp but also don't have unlimited funds and don't want to go too crazy on this build since it's my first bolt action build and there are going to be a lot of other accessories to purchase- scope, bipod, trigger, chassis, etc.
Thanks again!
That's exactly the way I see it... I could literally unscrew that same barrel off my Solus, and stick it on an Origin, and it's most-likely going to shoot the exact same with that load. I'm not competing, so, it's 6 in one hand, half-dozen in the other for me. As long as I've got a rifle and load that will shoot sub-1/2 minute 5-shot groups shooting off bags (not a vise), I'm pretty satisfied. That's why I didn't mess with anymore load development with the .25 Creed. Sure, I could probably load up some Varget and might possibly get some tighter groups, and might do it someday just to tinker. But for now, the StaBall 6.5 load is putting down some impressive velocities for a 20" barrel and 133's, and still shooting that good... I'll take it!Looks like I need to get with the times! That is great news. Looks like it comes down to your preferences then. Neither is going to shoot better than the other with equal barrels.
Let's make a deal. I won't judge your rattle can paint job if you run a vacuum over that carpet.I went with the CDG. I could have saved up for a more expensive action, but why? after taking it down a few times i assure you, the video of ted doing it he is trying to be slow. its so easy and intuitive its crazy. id have paid much more for this action if i had to. 6.5 creedmoor is an excellent cartridge, I'm running 6 creed.
I got ordered this barrel from PVA, action from ARC and stock from foundation and got all three roughly the same time. tickled pink. it all bolted together no fuss, the only thing I will say is with the CDG action you want to run AI AW magazines, they are the absolute tits. when getting your bottom metal if anyone asks just go for the "standard" latch and everything will bolt right together. or get the mdt bottom metal, it's adjustable I hear.
if you get the wrong latch like I did it's a very simple job to take a file to it and make it 30 thousandths shorter.
other than that my whole setup took me about 30 mins to bolt together and get just right. even the file job was about 10 mins extra.
eta don't judge pva on my 10 min rattle can job with lowes heat resistant grill spray paint.
also I run the non pivoting bolt handle on the action so I can run stupid light triggers. I sometimes regret that choice, the pivoting handle seems cool. neat thing is, I can buy that part pretty cheap if I want later on, but I'd need a new trigger.
unfortunately it's mostly just stains, this is my "play area" lolLet's make a deal. I won't judge your rattle can paint job if you run a vacuum over that carpet.
Unless you're renting, you should pulled that carpet up and throw down some LVT flooring for $1.50 a sqftunfortunately it's mostly just stains, this is my "play area" lol
Ok- I think I'm about to pull the trigger on the Origin and a pre-fit Proof from Front Range Precision. Heading to lunch and will make the decision when I get home. Both are in my cart as I type. Let's go!!!Make it simple
Origin Short Action Standard .308 Bolt Head
Proof Comp Contour PreFit Barrel
TT Diamond
MDT or MPA Chassis
EuroOptic Razor Gen III
Scope Rings or Mount of your choice
The one option you may want to consider
A Hunts Long Range Recoil Lug
If you get this, then buy a TL3 prefit. Now your barrels can be used on either a TL3 or the Origin.HLR Origin 0.150 Thick Recoil lug | Hunt's Long Range
Here it is! Do you have a Big Horn TL3 and a Big Horn Origin? Do want to be able to swap the barrels between your actions? HLR has your answer! This precision ground 0.150" thick recoil lug will take the place of the 0.250" thick standard lug that comes with the Big Horn Origin.Thishuntslongrange.com
Ok- I think I'm about to pull the trigger on the Origin and a pre-fit Proof from Front Range Precision. Heading to lunch and will make the decision when I get home. Both are in my cart as I type. Let's go!!!
I have bits and torque screwdriver but would like to get fix it sticksNow:
Fix it sticks kit
Need to get a real bag. Have shooting bags but not for something like this.Armageddon gear heavy fill schmedium
Not sure what that is but probably a dope card?Cole tac cheat sheet
Bipod is on the list.Atlas cal no clamp
Have most of this stuff but will look to see if there is anything "special" I need for break-in period.A419 or RRS Arca clamp adapter for Atlas Cal
Bore Tech cleaning rod, jag, patches, plastic bore brush
I use Applied Ballistics and a Sig Kilo3k RangefinderBoretech eliminator
Ballistic phone app
Yep!2 x MDT 12rd AICS mags
Definitely on the list as well.Self timing muzzle brake (APA little bastard, Hawkins Tank, A419, etc)
Yep!Some sort of gun case
I have a Garmin XeroLater on down the road:
Garmin Zero
Need some good binos.LRF Binos
I will never be a semi-pro shooter. I can't stand wearing uniforms. LOLGarmin 901
TAB minimalist shooting mat
Pelican 1750 hard case for Air travel and riding in the back of pickup trucks during weather. Don't get the Vault model. It sucks.
Custom closed cell laser cut foam insert from mycasebuilder.com
Thunderbeast Magnus S
RRS TVC34
When you are ready to become a semi-Pro shooter:
Shooting Jersey
Sorry, will never have a gut or a beard. Maybe I'm not cut out for this.Gut
Hamster beard
Have some of those in Tactical Games. Will have some work to do in PRS though.Top 5 trophy in Tac division
Weather vane setup for your tripod
Too late! LOLA growing void of resentment between you and your wife
Have tons of these for tactical games competitions.Battle belt
I have knee sleeves. Does that count?Knee pads
Neon colored base pads for your magazines
Had that since I was a teenager.A chip for your shoulder
that's just a feel thing. I really like the traditional stock and thumb over grip feel. I like an adjustable cheek piece that goes up and down and side to side. also prefer a canted buttpad.Origin and Proof 6.5 CM pre-fit ordered from Front Range Precision. Let the games begin!!!
Thanks to everyone for the help! Now onto the next rabbit hole of chassis.
Don't waste your money on a TT Diamond! Just buy a TT Special! It goes down to 1 lbs. and for someone starting out, who's never ran a trigger that light, it will be MORE than enough for you. Trust me. I have Diamonds, and I still prefer to save that $150 difference and get a Special over the Diamond.Ok- I think I'm about to pull the trigger on the Origin and a pre-fit Proof from Front Range Precision. Heading to lunch and will make the decision when I get home. Both are in my cart as I type. Let's go!!!
I have no PRS experience at all and don't even know where matches are that would be close to me. LOL I'm in Kentucky by the way. I'll definitely check out the classifieds on here and see if there is anything that I like and can possibly save some money on. Thanks!I strongly suggest trying to go to a local match and trying every stock/chassis you can get your hands on.
My tastes have changed over the years as I have changed my shooting styles. I started die hard stocks only and have switched completely to chassis’s over the last year or so.
I have also tried most of the major chassis on the market other than the vision and sphur. I have personally settled on the XLR ENVY as my favorite for adjustability, cost, and modularity. They also seem to be the cheapest on the used market out of the major chassis. I will say I think they are probably the ugliest though. I do have 1 MDT ACC left and probably not going to replace it with the prices dropping on them, it’s just not worth it to me.
If your not able to go feel them at a local match I strongly suggest buying used off here so that you can resell without much of a loss if you end up not liking it.
I actually had my eye on the TT Special. Looks like it's basically the same thing as the diamond just with a slightly heavier trigger pull weight and a cost savings of $100. I'm good with saving $100-$150 and would prefer a "slightly" heavier trigger pull to start out as you suggested. I use a Geisselle SSA-E in my tactical games rifles so I think the TT Special will be just fine.Don't waste your money on a TT Diamond! Just buy a TT Special! It goes down to 1 lbs. and for someone starting out, who's never ran a trigger that light, it will be MORE than enough for you. Trust me. I have Diamonds, and I still prefer to save that $150 difference and get a Special over the Diamond.
On sale at EuroOptic right now...
TriggerTech Rem 700 Clone Special Pro Curved Clean Blk/Blk Single Stage Trigger R70-SBB-13-TNP
TriggerTech Rem 700 Clone Special Pro Clean Blk/Blk Single Stage Trigger R70-SBB-13-TNP For Salewww.eurooptic.com
Damn it, I have 90% of that,Now:
Fix it sticks kit
Armageddon gear heavy fill schmedium
Cole tac cheat sheet
Atlas cal no clamp
A419 or RRS Arca clamp adapter for Atlas Cal
Bore Tech cleaning rod, jag, patches, plastic bore brush
Boretech eliminator
Ballistic phone app
2 x MDT 12rd AICS mags
Self timing muzzle brake (APA little bastard, Hawkins Tank, A419, etc)
Some sort of gun case
Later on down the road:
Garmin Zero
LRF Binos
Garmin 901
TAB minimalist shooting mat
Pelican 1750 hard case for Air travel and riding in the back of pickup trucks during weather. Don't get the Vault model. It sucks.
Custom closed cell laser cut foam insert from mycasebuilder.com
Thunderbeast Magnus S
RRS TVC34
When you are ready to become a semi-Pro shooter:
Shooting Jersey
Gut
Hamster beard
Top 5 trophy in Tac division
Weather vane setup for your tripod
A growing void of resentment between you and your wife
Battle belt
Knee pads
Neon colored base pads for your magazines
A chip for your shoulder
Welcome to the big time, ChampDamn it, I have 90% of that,
I actually had my eye on the TT Special. Looks like it's basically the same thing as the diamond just with a slightly heavier trigger pull weight and a cost savings of $100. I'm good with saving $100-$150 and would prefer a "slightly" heavier trigger pull to start out as you suggested. I use a Geisselle SSA-E in my tactical games rifles so I think the TT Special will be just fine.
Thanks!
Show off! I'm sure I'll be there soon.Damn it, I have 90% of that,
Do you guys prefer two stage triggers or single stage? Curved or straight? Or is it really just preference? I like the two stage Geissele for tactical games to prep the trigger before breaking the shot. I was thinking a two stage TT special flat-faced trigger.
Single stage in everything...Do you guys prefer two stage triggers or single stage? Curved or straight? Or is it really just preference? I like the two stage Geissele for tactical games to prep the trigger before breaking the shot. I was thinking a two stage TT special flat-faced trigger.
It's called a monetary subconscious illusion of grandeur... I have both as well, and other than the pull weight, they feel the exact same.The TT special is definitely a nice trigger, but when compared to my diamonds, there’s a difference. Can’t really explain it, but the Diamond is an excellent trigger.
Looks like 90% of the PRS shooters use TT and a single stage trigger so I'll probably go with the TT Special, flat, single stage.Single stage in everything...
Both are awesome. If you can’t get a feel of them before you buy them go with what you think looks coolest.Looks like 90% of the PRS shooters use TT and a single stage trigger so I'll probably go with the TT Special, flat, single stage.
Next- trying to pick a chassis.
Looking at the MPA BA Competition chassis or the MDT ACC Premier Gen2. I'd like to stay around the $1k mark or lower if possible.
I've looked at the KRG Whiskey 3 and Whiskey 3 Competition also.
Any suggestions on one over the other? I'm really undecided on the MDT vs the MPA. Seems MPA is the most popular so kinda makes me want the MDT. LOL But if the MPA is the superior chassis then I should just go ahead and get it.
Thanks!
Haha, I think the MDT looks the coolest. And besides, if I buy the MPA chassis I feel like I should've just bought the whole MPA rifle and been done with it but where's the fun in that? Thanks!Both are awesome. If you can’t get a feel of them before you buy them go with what you think looks coolest.
Looks like 90% of the PRS shooters use TT and a single stage trigger so I'll probably go with the TT Special, flat, single stage.
Next- trying to pick a chassis.
Looking at the MPA BA Competition chassis or the MDT ACC Premier Gen2. I'd like to stay around the $1k mark or lower if possible.
I've looked at the KRG Whiskey 3 and Whiskey 3 Competition also.
Any suggestions on one over the other? I'm really undecided on the MDT vs the MPA. Seems MPA is the most popular so kinda makes me want the MDT. LOL But if the MPA is the superior chassis then I should just go ahead and get it.
Thanks!
Take a look at the Aero Solus 15” Comp Chassis. It does everything the others do, but they don’t have a folding hinge out just yet, but they are very close to releasing it, so then it will be able to do everything the others do. But for comps you really don’t need the folder. And multiple color options to customize it.Looks like 90% of the PRS shooters use TT and a single stage trigger so I'll probably go with the TT Special, flat, single stage.
Next- trying to pick a chassis.
Looking at the MPA BA Competition chassis or the MDT ACC Premier Gen2. I'd like to stay around the $1k mark or lower if possible.
I've looked at the KRG Whiskey 3 and Whiskey 3 Competition also.
Any suggestions on one over the other? I'm really undecided on the MDT vs the MPA. Seems MPA is the most popular so kinda makes me want the MDT. LOL But if the MPA is the superior chassis then I should just go ahead and get it.
Thanks!
there's no reason to get hung up on trigger tech in particular. nice triggers, but so are lots of others. timney makes a new one i havent tried but wish i had.Looks like 90% of the PRS shooters use TT and a single stage trigger so I'll probably go with the TT Special, flat, single stage.