Help on first build- Origin, TL3, Kelbly, CDG, or Solus?

Fret · Aug 18, 2024

A good deal is a MDT LSS-XL that MDT makes for Faxon. I picked one up from PA for under $700 not too long ago. Here's some different chassis for some of my TL3s:

Faxon/MDT:

MDT ACC Gen 1:

MDT ACC Elite:

MPA ESR:

MPA Matrix:

MPA Matrix Pro:

Matrix Pro 2:

XLR Element:

Potato502 · Aug 18, 2024

Fret said:
A good deal is a MDT LSS-XL that MDT makes for Faxon. I picked one up from PA for under $700 not too long ago. Here's some different chassis for some of my TL3s:

Faxon/MDT:
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MDT ACC Gen 1:

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MDT ACC Elite:

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MPA ESR:

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MPA Matrix:

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MPA Matrix Pro:

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Matrix Pro 2:

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XLR Element:

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Wow- thanks for the pics! Always helps to see pics to get a better idea on how things really look. I think I'm leaning MDT ACC Premier Gen2.

Potato502 · Aug 18, 2024

I'm about to order a TT Special single stage flat trigger for my Origin. Another dumb question but do I get the trigger with or without a bolt release? Thanks again!

LuvDog · Aug 18, 2024

Get the TT without bolt release

Potato502 · Aug 18, 2024

LuvDog said:
Get the TT without bolt release

Awesome. Thank you!

FuhQ · Aug 18, 2024

Potato502 said:
I'm about to order a TT Special single stage flat trigger for my Origin. Another dumb question but do I get the trigger with or without a bolt release? Thanks again!

Clone action, NO bolt release.

Bolt release is built into the side of the action, so you don't need it on the trigger like a standard 700.

Potato502 · Aug 18, 2024

FuhQ said:
Clone action, NO bolt release.

Bolt release is built into the side of the action, so you don't need it on the trigger like a standard 700.

Thank you! I just ordered a TT Special with no bolt release.

Now to sell some some stuff to fund a chassis and scope.

Mooseknuckles · Aug 18, 2024

Potato502 said:
Thank you! I just ordered a TT Special with no bolt release. Now to sell some some stuff to fund a chassis and scope.

That’s a great choice. Really like mine.

couch000 · Aug 20, 2024

I’m about to buy a barrel vise and would like something on the cheap end. I’m looking at the Viper with a trailer hitch attachment so I can just mount it in my existing vise in the basement without drilling additional holes in my bench. I’ll also just buy the Zermatt Origin action wrench.

Does this sound reasonable and/or ok for the Origin and a pre-fit Proof barrel? Wasn’t sure on the trailer hitch attachment and if it’s suitable for mounting in a vise. Plus, kill two birds with one stone- use it to quick change barrels in the field if I ever need to.

Thanks again! Ya’ll have been great. Should get my Proof barrel tomorrow

couch000 · Aug 20, 2024

Also, I know I’ve mentioned scopes earlier in this thread but trying to narrow my choices down. I’d really like to stay under the $2500 price point and $2000 would be even nicer.

It looks like PRS production limit is $2500? I know the rifle I’m building would not be production class but just in case down the road I think I’d like a scope I can use in production class.

Looking at these two at the moment. Any advantages/disadvantages to either and any other options I’m overlooking? For some reason really like the Zeiss although I have Nightforce scopes (ATACR 1-8 and NX8 1-8)

Zeiss LRP S3 6-36x56mm .1 MRAD FFP ZF-MRi #16 Riflescope 522695-9916-090

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spife7980 · Aug 20, 2024

couch000 said:
I’m about to buy a barrel vise and would like something on the cheap end. I’m looking at the Viper with a trailer hitch attachment so I can just mount it in my existing vise in the basement without drilling additional holes in my bench. I’ll also just buy the Zermatt Origin action wrench.

Does this sound reasonable and/or ok for the Origin and a pre-fit Proof barrel? Wasn’t sure on the trailer hitch attachment and if it’s suitable for mounting in a vise. Plus, kill two birds with one stone- use it to quick change barrels in the field if I ever need to.

Thanks again! Ya’ll have been great. Should get my Proof barrel tomorrow

I use a viper but I bolt it to an intermediary board which is what gets quick clamped to the table.
You have a perfectly reasonable plan.

couch000 said:
Also, I know I’ve mentioned scopes earlier in this thread but trying to narrow my choices down. I’d really like to stay under the $2500 price point and $2000 would be even nicer.

It looks like PRS production limit is $2500? I know the rifle I’m building would not be production class but just in case down the road I think I’d like a scope I can use in production class.

Looking at these two at the moment. Any advantages/disadvantages to either and any other options I’m overlooking? For some reason really like the Zeiss although I have Nightforce scopes (ATACR 1-8 and NX8 1-8)

Zeiss LRP S3 6-36x56mm .1 MRAD FFP ZF-MRi #16 Riflescope 522695-9916-090

FREE SHIPPING on Zeiss LRP S3 6-36x56mm .1 MRAD FFP ZF-MRi #16 Riflescope 522695-9916-090

www.eurooptic.com

Nightforce NX8 4-32x50 Mil-XT Riflescope C634

FREE SHIPPING on Nightforce NX8 4-32x50 Mil-XT Riflescope C634

www.eurooptic.com

Zeiss between the two

Overwatch260 · Aug 20, 2024

I use a Viper vise as well, no issues with it. And I agree on the Zeiss between the 2 choices given, I have the 4-25x on my 6GT right now but also wanted the elevation adjustment range in case I ever swap it to my Vudoo for longer range rimfire fun

stevieb92 · Aug 20, 2024

I use the Viper vise as well. It's good quality. Make sure you wrap something around the barrel, like some leather or heavy target paper. I picked up an action wrench from SPR. It's for all Rem 700 pattern actions but you have to remove the ejector from the Origin to use it. Not a big deal to do that.

Chris1972 · Aug 20, 2024

In that price range did you look at the XTR PRO

couch000 · Aug 20, 2024

Chris1972 said:
In that price range did you look at the XTR PRO

I have looked at the XTR Pro. I like it quite a bit but just not sure about Burris as a brand, their warranty, customer service, etc. But I don’t know because I mainly have experience with Vortex and Nightforce. Vortex is a no brainer when it comes to warranty stuff. I had an issue with my NF NX8 1-8 and they fixed it pretty quickly.

Such a hard decision because I’m normally a buy once, cry once type of guy so I keep going back and forth cost-wise because I’m spending money I don’t have.

I think this might be the best deal for what I’m looking at and was mentioned earlier but it’s about $5-600 more than I’d like to spend but I know I wouldn’t have second thoughts on it.

Vortex Razor HD Gen III 6-36x56 FFP EBR-7D MRAD Black EuroOptic Exclusive Riflescope RZR-63602-B

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Any thoughts on the Vortex Gen II Razors? This?

Vortex Razor Gen II 4.5-27x56mm EBR-7C MRAD Like New Demo Riflescope RZR-42708

Vortex Razor HD Gen II 4.5-27x56 EBR-7C MRAD Riflescope for sale at Eurooptic. the Vortex Razor Gen 2 rifle scope offers high performance features along with state-of-the-art optics and deadly accuracy. Free shipping on orders of every Vortex Rifle Scope

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I feel like for the extra $500 the Gen II 6-36 is by far the better option.

Chris1972 · Aug 20, 2024

I for one prefer the Diamond over the Special even if you’re running both at #1. My thinking is you’re using the Special at the limit of its range while the Diamond has plenty of adjustments either way.
That thinking is solely based of my knowledge of equipment in an industrial setting. You don’t run things at their limits, be it upper or lower limit.

Now that I’ve said that I use the Diamond and have never tried the special. Mine is set at 15 oz so a Special would have passed muster. If it’s not goofy at its lower limit, like most equipment is.

spife7980 · Aug 20, 2024

The diamond is totally worth it over the special because once you get you get used to it 1lb is heavy as heck

couch000 · Aug 20, 2024

Chris1972 said:
I for one prefer the Diamond over the Special even if you’re running both at #1. My thinking is you’re using the Special at the limit of its range while the Diamond has plenty of adjustments either way.
That thinking is solely based of my knowledge of equipment in an industrial setting. You don’t run things at their limits, be it upper or lower limit.

Now that I’ve said that I use the Diamond and have never tried the special. Mine is set at 15 oz so a Special would have passed muster. If it’s not goofy at its lower limit, like most equipment is.

Already bought the special. You can’t do this to me now.

JR1200W3 · Aug 20, 2024

So much for buying once ...

couch000 · Aug 20, 2024

spife7980 said:
The diamond is totally worth it over the special because once you get you get used to it 1lb is heavy as heck

JR1200W3 said:
So much for buying once ... said normally.

I said normally.

I don’t even know what I’m getting myself into at this point so I’m proceeding with a little caution.

But you’re probably right. I’ll eat my words later.

FuhQ · Aug 20, 2024

Chris1972 said:
I for one prefer the Diamond over the Special even if you’re running both at #1. My thinking is you’re using the Special at the limit of its range while the Diamond has plenty of adjustments either way.
That thinking is solely based of my knowledge of equipment in an industrial setting. You don’t run things at their limits, be it upper or lower limit.

Now that I’ve said that I use the Diamond and have never tried the special. Mine is set at 15 oz so a Special would have passed muster. If it’s not goofy at its lower limit, like most equipment is.

The TT triggers are designed to have a captured adjustment system that is made to be perfectly fine to run with the weight screw completely removed (mine are). Never had an issue, but yes, in any industry, extremes are typically not efficient and will cause problems.

FuhQ · Aug 20, 2024

couch000 said:
Already bought the special. You can’t do this to me now.

You'll be just fine and happy with the Special. Don't let subconscious pre-use buyer's remorse happen. You don't even know how the Special will feel, and reading all these comments you're already questioning your purchase. Don't let it get in your head. That's one thing that threads like this can be overwhelming for newbies.

couch000 · Aug 21, 2024

FuhQ said:
You'll be just fine and happy with the Special. Don't let subconscious pre-use buyer's remorse happen. You don't even know how the Special will feel, and reading all these comments you're already questioning your purchase. Don't let it get in your head. That's one thing that threads like this can be overwhelming for newbies.

Haha, thanks man! No buyer’s remorse at this point. It was more of a joke. I’m not really worried about the trigger. It’s a $2-300 item.

I’m more worried about the scope and making the right decision on it. I’m so used to 1-8x types of scopes and capped turrets. Just a few more things to consider regarding a long distance scope.

I really like the Eurooptic Vortex 6-36 at around $2700. But it’s the most expensive. I also really like the Zeiss LRP S3 6-36 at a $2000 price point. Then there’s a Burris XTR Pro. I think I can get one of those for around $1500.

So just different price points and levels to the scopes above. At this point, just like the triggers, I won’t know the difference because I have nothing to compare them to.

Still leaning toward the middle ground Zeiss at $2000. Only thing about the Zeiss is the scope ring , I think, moves right to left to increase magnification and I’m not used to that. Is that even something to be concerned with?

Thanks again!

Chris1972 · Aug 21, 2024

I know I keep throwing things out there but have you looked at the Kahles 624i.

couch000 · Aug 21, 2024

Chris1972 said:
I know I keep throwing things out there but have you looked at the Kahles 624i.

Yes, I’ve looked at Kahles. I know they make great stuff. At this point I feel like I’ve looked at all of them a million times at this so I just said screw it and bought the Zeiss for $2000. It just kept calling me.

From everything I’ve read (knock on wood) it seems like a great scope and punches above its weight class.

Just glad to have that decision out of the way. Now on to a chassis.

Barrel should be here today. Let’s go!!!

FuhQ · Aug 21, 2024

couch000 said:
Haha, thanks man! No buyer’s remorse at this point. It was more of a joke. I’m not really worried about the trigger. It’s a $2-300 item.

I’m more worried about the scope and making the right decision on it. I’m so used to 1-8x types of scopes and capped turrets. Just a few more things to consider regarding a long distance scope.

I really like the Eurooptic Vortex 6-36 at around $2700. But it’s the most expensive. I also really like the Zeiss LRP S3 6-36 at a $2000 price point. Then there’s a Burris XTR Pro. I think I can get one of those for around $1500.

So just different price points and levels to the scopes above. At this point, just like the triggers, I won’t know the difference because I have nothing to compare them to.

Still leaning toward the middle ground Zeiss at $2000. Only thing about the Zeiss is the scope ring , I think, moves right to left to increase magnification and I’m not used to that. Is that even something to be concerned with?

Thanks again!

Another scope to look at in the $2,500 range is the Kahles K624i SKMR-4. I have a few of those, and they are exceptional scopes. The glass beats everything you’re looking at, and it’s made entirely in Austria with Austrian SCHOTT glass. Message @Euro.Connor and he can get you a great price on the K624i.

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Fret · Aug 21, 2024

If you're not in a rush, keep an eye on AA Optics. They get refurbished Vortex scopes and accessories and they have the G3 6-36x at $2100 from time to time. They don't charge tax and I think shipping is free for over $250. They had some a week or two ago but sold out fast. I don't worry about refurbished from Vortex due to their warranty.

MattK1 · Aug 21, 2024

Potato502 said:
Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks! Being a newb I saw the straight handle and just assumed it was a shorter action. If that's the case then I should just go with the Origin and save the $400 for other stuff.

I have aTL3 and love it. I recommend going with the Origin and using the $400 on a prefit and a viper barrel vise.

couch000 · Aug 21, 2024

Fret said:
If you're not in a rush, keep an eye on AA Optics. They get refurbished Vortex scopes and accessories and they have the G3 6-36x at $2100 from time to time. They don't charge tax and I think shipping is free for over $250. They had some a week or two ago but sold out fast. I don't worry about refurbished from Vortex due to their warranty.

I just checked them out. I’ll definitely keep an eye on them in the future. Seems like some potential deals and like you said with the Vortex warranty there shouldn’t be any worries down the road. Thanks!

couch000 · Aug 21, 2024

MattK1 said:
I have aTL3 and love it. I recommend going with the Origin and using the $400 on a prefit and a viper barrel vise.

Thanks! That’s exactly what I did. I ordered the Origin along with a Proof pre fit barrel from Front Range Precision. Talked to Owen and he’s putting the competition bolt handle on it for me.

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