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Would you get into 6.5 Grendel in 2024?

#451
hlee said:
Elanders will gum with dust in the follower, causing it to get stuck in the mag, if you get them away from a clean room environment. I’ve got a pile of them. They’re pretty, but they almost universally suck. I have a couple of 10 rounders that are fine for range day. But, I’ve had too many Elander malfs to trust them if I need them to work.
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Interesting. 90% of the time I use E Landers in this config and have zero problems, 100% suppressed and usually dirty. I do clean them from time to time but more from my experience with other calibers.

I have C Products, Dura, E Lander and maybe another brand somewhere and I've not really had a situation where a gun displayed a preference - they worked or they didn't, regardless of the mag.

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#452
I have 1 10rd Elander that works. Every ASC and Duramag I’ve bought has worked in all of my Grendels and 6ARC before it was converted back to Grendel.
 
#453
KitShickers said:
I dont know why, but my 18" lilja hates Elanders. I currently have several for sell here. Bullets nose dive enough to break the ballistic tips off of hornady black. Fortunately Duramag is gtg for me.
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Your internal dimensions might be too constrained with them.

Elanders definitely don’t allow much in the room of COL. I like what Geissele did with the laser weld on the back of the ARC mags, so COL is the longest I’ve seen so far.
 
#459
LRRPF52 said:
Your internal dimensions might be too constrained with them.

Elanders definitely don’t allow much in the room of COL. I like what Geissele did with the laser weld on the back of the ARC mags, so COL is the longest I’ve seen so far.
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Anyone else tried this 5/16 round mag from Brenton. Will go to 2.3 OAL, though I might have a concern about recoil induced bullet pushback. More, after some testing. Insert limits you to 5 rounds, they say 16-I’d prefer to hold it to 15, with limiter removed.IMG_0431.jpegIMG_0433.jpeg
 
#462
Hodgdon’s just added 33 new loads on their site for 6.5 Grendel, including the new Hornady 100gr ELD-VT and the 105gr CEB Maximus from Cutting Edge.

100gr ELD-VT is doing 2804-2900fps with 9 of the loads (24” barrel).
 
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#464
KitShickers said:
When can we expect an update on your "project"?
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There are multiple technology paths being developed parallel to the internal ballistics, so it’s a lot more than just slinging projectiles at 3050fps from an 8.5” PDW.

Think about all the issues with Laser Aiming Modules, battery boxes and cables all over the gun, with what was once lightweight and handy turned into a front-heavy brick. I hate all of that, but the capabilities justify the penalties for those that need them.

I know we can do so much better than what we have though, but it is extremely hard to do, and every path has many real hurdles that need to be overcome with sound design, testing, and refinement.

It requires a totally new business model for organizational structure in the firearms industry, because we’re now fully invested in the electro-optics, signature reduction, power management, processing, and materials science industries, only everyone has been approaching it from one segment of the market without total vision for the subcontractors. That’s the real problem with modern firearms right now.
 
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#465
pangris said:
Interesting. 90% of the time I use E Landers in this config and have zero problems, 100% suppressed and usually dirty. I do clean them from time to time but more from my experience with other calibers.

I have C Products, Dura, E Lander and maybe another brand somewhere and I've not really had a situation where a gun displayed a preference - they worked or they didn't, regardless of the mag.
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I’ve been using C-Products Duramags that are for 7.62x39 to supplement my Elanders. The 20-round mags work great.
The 30 and 28 rounders not as good - unless only 20-rounds in the mag.

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#467
I’ve never used any of those exaggerated curve mags meant for 7.62x39 case taper. Grendel mag guide grooves are much more shallow than 5.56 mags. His cartridges were getting stuck at the mouth on the inside edge of the front wall of the mag, which doesn’t happen when the mag is inside the weapon because the meplat is already riding up the feed ramps.

The magazines have to be studied as part of the receiver set, barrel extension, and feed cone in the breech. Guys playing with cartridges in un-inserted magazines will start to draw false conclusions about the feeding process.

I just don’t have these issues with old CPD, Elanders, Amend2 polymer, and later ASC mags.

I use a lot of later production ASC 25rd mags in the 12” Grendel as my go-to.

If I’m constrained to bench clearance, I use the 15-17rd mags.

I also de-edge, blend, and polish my feed ramps on all ARs if the extensions haven’t been given a generous tumble-polish.
 
#468
LRRPF52 said:
I’ve never used any of those exaggerated curve mags meant for 7.62x39 case taper. Grendel mag guide grooves are much more shallow than 5.56 mags. His cartridges were getting stuck at the mouth on the inside edge of the front wall of the mag, which doesn’t happen when the mag is inside the weapon because the meplat is already riding up the feed ramps.

The magazines have to be studied as part of the receiver set, barrel extension, and feed cone in the breech. Guys playing with cartridges in un-inserted magazines will start to draw false conclusions about the feeding process.

I just don’t have these issues with old CPD, Elanders, Amend2 polymer, and later ASC mags.

I use a lot of later production ASC 25rd mags in the 12” Grendel as my go-to.

If I’m constrained to bench clearance, I use the 15-17rd mags.

I also de-edge, blend, and polish my feed ramps on all ARs if the extensions haven’t been given a generous tumble-polish.
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Interesting. I cant get past 3-4rds before feeding issues with Elanders or ASC in my 18" Lilja/Mega billet upper. Duramag feeds without issue.
 
#470
Anyone have experience with the new Geissele 6 ARC mags? They are pricey but not too far out of line with what I am used to paying for good AICS and AW mags, and I don't mind spending a little extra if they are worth it.
 
#478
I have both(Grendel and ARC) the Grendel 22in and 18in running 107 tmks is pretty easy to 800 yards. The Grendel is very easy to handload for and much more consistent than the 5.56 SD and ES wise. The problem is wind kills the grendel shifting winds really kills the grendel bullets. The 6 arc is much more consistent in the long ranges because of the BC. If the wind is dead or steady its a toss up. If you dont handload you should probably just stay with the 5.56 you wont get the benefits. The prs style gas gun matches are really being dominanted by the 6 arc and 6.5 grendel. The 5.56 doesnt hit the plate like either of the two. Is a 6.5 cm or 308 better probably but the small frame ars just run better.
 
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