USGOV banning Killflashes due to possible national security issues

sneakypayload · Sep 13, 2024

US Gov sent a nastygram to defense distributors to stop selling their killflashes because of national security.

I've said for a decade now, the disarmament regime finally figured out they can use loose laws, statutes, and "national security" concerns to finally disarm civilians. They lose in court 9 times out of 10, so they are now turning to frivilous rules and lawsuits to accomplish this.

First it's this, then the "no body armor" push will happen, and you'll find greater restrictions in other places.

And no, just because someone has an R next to their name doesn't mean they either give a fuck about you, nor want to protect your rights.

Milf Dots · Sep 13, 2024

Dems and RINOs are traitors to our Republic.

sneakypayload · Sep 13, 2024

Milf Dots said:
Dems and RINOs are traitors to our Republic.

If you think an R next to someones name means they are doing shit in your best interest I'd like to point you to previous history.

I get the sentiment, but Trump's admin also tried to arbitrarily ban bumpstocks, no matter how you feel about how dumb that "accessory" is, it's all disarmament bullshit.

It'll happen whomever is in office. It's us vs them, literally. Dirty civilians shouldn't have "military things".

Milf Dots · Sep 13, 2024

sneakypayload said:
~~If you think an R next to someones name means they are doing shit in your best interest I'd like to point you to previous history.~~

I get the sentiment, but Trump's admin also tried to arbitrarily ban bumpstocks, no matter how you feel about how dumb that "accessory" is, it's all disarmament bullshit.

It'll happen whomever is in office. It's us vs them, literally. Dirty civilians shouldn't have "military things".

People like you are the proverbial "cancer in the American Patriots' locker room" because you don't differentiate between good Repubs and RINOs, and that gives cover to Dems, of which NONE are "good". You're just another whining Karen.

In general, politicians suck but they're necessary to any system of government, and to act like the bumpstock mistake by Trump somehow erases all of the great things he did and attempted to do, is juvenile and self serving. Our best shot at a political solution is Trump. But feel free to personally start the revolution.

Because you chose to post that stupid shit about Rs in an otherwise informative post, I'll be sure to never buy any of your products.

Now fuck off to your Skamala Harris meeting.

Charmingmander · Sep 13, 2024

I'd love a real explanation as to how the fuck an ARD which you can make with netting and a rubber band is a threat to national security lmfao.

eprom · Sep 13, 2024

Sorry but didn't someone at least ■■■■ that ■■■■■ looking piece of ■■■■■ ?

thejeep · Sep 13, 2024

If you can't duck it fuckit

Im2bent · Sep 13, 2024

Charmingmander said:
I'd love a real explanation as to how the fuck an ARD which you can make with netting and a rubber band is a threat to national security lmfao.

Because it will make it harder for the "national security forces" ( coming soon to a town near you) to kill you.

cas6969 · Sep 13, 2024

Never wanted them till now. Such is the way things work.

higginsworksforme · Sep 13, 2024

I just ordered some from 100 Concepts. There are a couple 3d printed vendors on Etsy as well.

Charmingmander · Sep 13, 2024

higginsworksforme said:
I just ordered some from 100 Concepts. There are a couple 3d printed vendors on Etsy as well.

And there you have it folks. 3D printing chads and probably Chinese vendors to the rescue.

Fig · Sep 13, 2024

What model for ZCO?

cas6969 said:
Never wanted them till now. Such is the way things work.

Me neither. I only shoot a one way range, so never worried about it...BUT, if they don't want me to have it clearly they are contemplating/preparing attacking me and my family, and want every advantage they can have to kill me and mine.

Or, is there a different explanation that seems at all plausible to anyone else? It's a fucking piece of plastic and they can go fuck themselves.

rangerlong · Sep 13, 2024

ARDs by reputable brands (tenebraex, trijicon) are still being sold by reputable sites (midway, brownells).

Is there something special about the defense distributors ones for them to be called out?

higginsworksforme · Sep 13, 2024

Fig said:
I only shoot a one way range,

And with a good ARD, you can keep it that way.

hkguns · Sep 13, 2024

My SIG Romeo6T scope just shipped with one the other day. Why would a National Security matter be handled by the Patent and Trademark office?

Something smells funny here.

hlee · Sep 13, 2024

There is something in that patent application, beyond a kill flash, that the govt wants to keep secret. This does not say that ALL ARDs are affected. It is just this one patent, which is incorporated into their ARD.

sneakypayload · Sep 13, 2024

rangerlong said:
ARDs by reputable brands (tenebraex, trijicon) are still being sold by reputable sites (midway, brownells).

Is there something special about the defense distributors ones for them to be called out?

I'm going to take a WILD guess here, and say they've ended up in Russia/UKR and of course the USGOV is chimping out about it now. Just like the Strelok ban.

higginsworksforme · Sep 13, 2024

I would laugh and tell the gov to pound sand.

Kamerad · Sep 13, 2024

Milf Dots said:
People like you are the proverbial "cancer in the American Patriots' locker room" because you don't differentiate between good Repubs and RINOs, and that gives cover to Dems, of which NONE are "good". You're just another whining Karen.

In general, politicians suck but they're necessary to any system of government, and to act like the bumpstock mistake by Trump somehow erases all of the great things he did and attempted to do, is juvenile and self serving. Our best shot at a political solution is Trump. But feel free to personally start the revolution.

Because you chose to post that stupid shit about Rs in an otherwise informative post, I'll be sure to never buy any of your products.

Now fuck off to your Skamala Harris meeting.

A few bad apples, right? The Party system is corrupted. You don’t like it, fine. That doesn’t make someone that recognizes that corruption a traitor.

sneakypayload · Sep 13, 2024

Milf Dots said:
People like you are the proverbial "cancer in the American Patriots' locker room" because you don't differentiate between good Repubs and RINOs, and that gives cover to Dems, of which NONE are "good". You're just another whining Karen.

In general, politicians suck but they're necessary to any system of government, and to act like the bumpstock mistake by Trump somehow erases all of the great things he did and attempted to do, is juvenile and self serving. Our best shot at a political solution is Trump. But feel free to personally start the revolution.

Because you chose to post that stupid shit about Rs in an otherwise informative post, I'll be sure to never buy any of your products.

Now fuck off to your Skamala Harris meeting.

IDK why you're so upset right now.

A "mistake" shutdown a business and made many, many people felons over night. That's not a mistake, that's absolutely a fucking huge deal.

And I frankly could give two shits if you "ever buy anything from me".

What a weird rant and rage on a nuanced subject.

I liked trump's admin. Less war (it felt like at least), more money in my pocket, and zero worries until bullshit covid nonsense hit.

But go off queen. Go off.

sneakypayload · Sep 13, 2024

higginsworksforme said:
I would laugh and tell the gov to pound sand.

I mean we would all like to think we would do that, but this kinda thing holds force of law (unless someone can counter that argument). So is it worth jailtime? Or temporarily taking shit down and letting lawyers do lawyer things.

sneakypayload · Sep 13, 2024

Kamerad said:
A few bad apples, right? The Party system is corrupted. You don’t like it, fine. That doesn’t make someone that recognizes that corruption a traitor.

This is what I don't understand.

I vote straight ticket R because well, fuck the crazy leftists, but I also understand these politicians, especially once in office, aren't necessarily looking out for "me".

lash · Sep 13, 2024

rangerlong said:
Is there something special about the defense distributors ones for them to be called out?

Well, for one since they are a defense distributor, their contracts with the gov means they can easily be leaned on.

sneakypayload · Sep 13, 2024

lash said:
Well, for one since they are a defense distributor, their contracts with the gov means they can easily be leaned on.

They don't have any contracts. That's just the name of the company.

The_Steward · Sep 13, 2024

Wonder if this will all turn out to be "just a big misunderstanding" ie marketing.

higginsworksforme · Sep 13, 2024

sneakypayload said:
I mean we would all like to think we would do that, but this kinda thing holds force of law (unless someone can counter that argument). So is it worth jailtime? Or temporarily taking shit down and letting lawyers do lawyer things.

I'm not going to jail.

rangerlong · Sep 13, 2024

sneakypayload said:
They don't have any contracts. That's just the name of the company.

They do have a CAGE code, so they’ve at least taken that step toward doing business with .gov.

That said, we know Trijicon does as well but no evidence their ARDs are affected. So it seems to be specific to the DD patent as others have said.

sneakypayload · Sep 13, 2024

The THOT PLICKENS:

sneakypayload · Sep 13, 2024

rangerlong said:
They do have a CAGE code, so they’ve at least taken that step toward doing business with .gov.

That said, we know Trijicon does as well but no evidence their ARDs are affected. So it seems to be specific to the DD patent as others have said.

This is correct it looks like. Somehow they've hit on something the gov doesn't like.

sneakypayload · Sep 13, 2024

The_Steward said:
Wonder if this will all turn out to be "just a big misunderstanding" ie marketing.

IDK man. That seems like a pretty official fuckin thing and detrimental to business.

Will they use it to their advantage to sell shit? Of course. We live in the USA my man.

Is it any less serious? I think not.

thejeep · Sep 13, 2024

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! Theirs my have actually killed the flash.

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hlee · Sep 13, 2024

So, the company sends out a panic stricken note of impending doom. Then, they send out a second note saying, “don’t worry guys, it’s just because ours are better than the others.”

Meanwhile, everyone is panic buying ARDs because “the govt is about to ban them…”

And, I don’t want to say I told you so, but I told you so…

sneakypayload · Sep 13, 2024

hlee said:
So, the company sends out a panic stricken note of impending doom. Then, they send out a second note saying, “don’t worry guys, it’s just because ours are better than the others.”

Meanwhile, everyone is panic buying ARDs because “the govt is about to ban them…”

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And, I don’t want to say I told you so, but I told you so…

Fuck you’re probably right.

widefat77 · Sep 13, 2024

If I read that correctly, they ack that it is wrong to limit the sale to LEO and Gov only, and they are exploring solutions - they don't indicate that they have stopped sales to Gov and LEO. Is that the case? If that is indeed the case, then fuck you Defense Distributors.

sneakypayload · Sep 13, 2024

widefat77 said:
If I read that correctly, they ack that it is wrong to limit the sale to LEO and Gov only, and they are exploring solutions - they don't indicate that they have stopped sales to Gov and LEO. Is that the case? If that is indeed the case, then fuck you Defense Distributors.

Negative, reread it.

They also restated in thread they won’t only sell to LEO/gov

BurtG · Sep 13, 2024

Milf Dots said:
People like you are the proverbial "cancer in the American Patriots' locker room" because you don't differentiate between good Repubs and RINOs, and that gives cover to Dems, of which NONE are "good". You're just another whining Karen.

In general, politicians suck but they're necessary to any system of government, and to act like the bumpstock mistake by Trump somehow erases all of the great things he did and attempted to do, is juvenile and self serving. Our best shot at a political solution is Trump. But feel free to personally start the revolution.

Because you chose to post that stupid shit about Rs in an otherwise informative post, I'll be sure to never buy any of your products.

Now fuck off to your Skamala Harris meeting.

Well

Bush passed the patriot act
Reagan 1984
Bush 1 import ban

Just like in Europe both sides let unfettered immigration after campaigning to stop it

The oligarchy is the enemy and there aren’t many government officials that aren’t either leaders or cogs in it.

BurtG · Sep 13, 2024

Charmingmander said:
I'd love a real explanation as to how the fuck an ARD which you can make with netting and a rubber band is a threat to national security lmfao.

Maybe / probably defeats that new scope finding AI system they have been fielding

Makes not to keep netting and rubber bands around for. Things

BurtG · Sep 13, 2024

And why you all think things like the Barnes banded solids are banned. At least ones that fit in 7rem Mag.

Cause they don’t want you to be able to penetrate. Things

Docsherm · Sep 13, 2024

I call BS... the comments on IG are correct.... the DOD would not have contacted them. It would have been the DOJ. Sounds like some type of marketing thing to me.

I have their products, and about 5 other brands of ARDs also. Nothing different about them. They are all the same.

The_Steward · Sep 13, 2024

sneakypayload said:
IDK man. That seems like a pretty official fuckin thing and detrimental to business.

Will they use it to their advantage to sell shit? Of course. We live in the USA my man.

Is it any less serious? I think not.

It could be real. But if I'm really tightening up my tinfoil hat... that document is so redacted that it's impossible to tell what it's referring to. Not the company. Not the product. Nothing.

Baron23 · Sep 13, 2024

rangerlong said:
ARDs by reputable brands (tenebraex, trijicon) are still being sold by reputable sites (midway, brownells).

Is there something special about the defense distributors ones for them to be called out?

Yeah, my question too...what is diff about Covert Arms ARDs?

Docsherm · Sep 13, 2024

Baron23 said:
Yeah, my question too...what is diff about Covert Arms ARDs?

Nothing. I have them and they are the same.

Clob McStrunk · Sep 13, 2024

buffalowinter · Sep 13, 2024

While this should be fought tooth and nail on principle, it is of no consequence.

Kill Flash:

Kamerad · Sep 13, 2024

No way to tell by looking up their product page. I reckon someone could ask them.
Also, if it’s a marketing gimmick, why would they de-list the product?

BAMAboy18 · Sep 13, 2024

Milf Dots said:
Dems and RINOs are traitors to our Republic.

What it seems to me is a lot of people can't see this: This country is run by a vulture named Status Quo, it has 2 wings one Democrats, the other Republicans. It controls most of the elitist self-serving politicians, the media; conventional/social and the entertainment industry, which it uses, very effectively, to push its identity politics on us to keep us divided. Ultimately their goal is to take power away from the people who hired them, changing our Republic into a true Democracy, where the mob rules. One candidate is not in the status quo, the other admitted she was. Right now the status quo is literally fighting for its life, they've already proven they'll resort to any means possible!
Have you earned your spot amongst them? I know for a fact I have not!

softcock · Sep 13, 2024

BurtG said:
Maybe / probably defeats that new scope finding AI system they have been fielding

Makes not to keep netting and rubber bands around for. Things

Fieldcraft - killflash/pantyhose question

has anybody ever heard of streching pantyhose over the scope lens as an improvised killflash

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Aftermath · Sep 13, 2024

I just gots to go ahead and say it....
What load of male bovine excrement.

hlee · Sep 13, 2024

@Kamerad The art of the con is plausibility. When they “get the go ahead from their lol-yers” and put it back up, they’ll be drowned in orders from the “thuh gubmint tried bannin’ it” crowd. Remember the hysteria around m855 a while back?

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