Rifle Scopes March 1-10 Shorty Dual Focal - Reviews?

NC_Libertarian · Nov 18, 2022

Happiness Is A Warm Gun said:
Thank you very much! I looked at the listed weight and was curious how it could be reliable. I guess the answer is it is not. I tend to use badger mounts anyway, and I think they only weigh an oz more than the March mount.

The Badger mounts are lighter than the March, with Badger reporting 6.2oz for the 34mm/1.70" model. That makes them about 1oz heavier than the Scalarworks. And the Scalarworks is tool-less QD, the Badger is not. The QD aspect really doesn't mean anything to me in the application I use this equipment. But it may matter to some.

If I were to buy again, and I were to place weight at a high premium, I would strongly consider the Badger. Even with it being a bit heavier. Not that I have had an issue with the Scalarworks, but the hinge design is, from a strict engineering standpoint, not the best method. This does not mean the method can't work, as I have shown in my above post. But a traditional double-clamp design is more likely to have better functionality than a hinge.

Happiness Is A Warm Gun · Nov 18, 2022

The badger mount is indeed outstanding. Yet the March mount is only around an ounce heavier, right?

DacianMH · Nov 18, 2022

Glassaholic said:
I have an older LEAP/07, hinge just fractured, I sent a warranty note and they said they'll take care of it right away, that was last Saturday, I provided all the information they requested but haven't heard back, hopefully they'll get back soon and will get me taken care of. Their new design is supposed to be stronger, I guess I'll find out.

They’ll send you a new one…that’s how my 07 got replaced with an 08 model. But 3/3 units I’ve had issues with says I’ll pass on their hinge type mounts altogether.

DacianMH · Nov 18, 2022

NC_Libertarian said:
I have a Scalarworks on my first competition gun:
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It was assembled just as shown here 2.5 years ago, and the scope has never been off of it since Day 1. It has been through 3 days of a carbine course, 6 Run n Guns, and over 2900 rounds. It has never moved. And this mount is the early model with the apparently troublesome hinge pin.

…but if you type in a search for Scalarworks Leap mounts breaking you’ll find A LOT of failed hinge issues. That’s why I included photos…it’s not just an anomaly but good for you that your mount worked out! Everyone let’s cheer for the few who where lucky and reported that it worked out for them. Clap clap clap.

gxer · Nov 19, 2022

NC_Libertarian said:
I have never put the Scalarworks/March setup on a rifle. I am currently using the original March Shorty single ring mount (#MAR2037), now discontinued. I don't have a picture of it on my rifle, but you can find pictures of the mount on the web with a search.

Many people, including some I much respect their experience, say they have had issues with this scope mount. I have not.
I will take a picture and post it later.

I thought you were gonna lighten that mount. Did you make any progress?

Happiness Is A Warm Gun · Nov 19, 2022

gxer said:
I thought you were gonna lighten that mount. Did you make any progress?

I am curious about this, too.

NC_Libertarian · Nov 23, 2022

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Happiness Is A Warm Gun said:
The badger mount is indeed outstanding. Yet the March mount is only around an ounce heavier, right?

It depends on which Badger you are talking about. There are a total of 8 different 34mm Badger models. Looking specifically at the COMM models which have the cantilevered overhang, there are three different heights of them.

Picking the middle, that being the 1.70" tall, Badger lists it at 6.2oz. If you add in the weight of the 34-30mm reducer rings, it will be a bit heavier than that. The March mount is I believe 7.1oz. So the difference is less than an ounce.

How much is an ounce? That depends on your perspective. Compared to a 200lb human, it is nothing. Compared to a Scalarworks, an ounce represents nearly 20% of the total weight of the Scalarworks mount. The difference between the March scope and most of the competition is around 4oz. An extra 1oz on the mount is giving back 25% of the weight you saved by installing the March scope.

NC_Libertarian · Nov 23, 2022

gxer said:
I thought you were gonna lighten that mount. Did you make any progress?

Happiness Is A Warm Gun said:
I am curious about this, too.

I have super busy the last year. We moved, and I have had a big project at work. I have nto had much time to train, shoot, or work on any projects like this. But I will get around to it.

Happiness Is A Warm Gun · Nov 24, 2022

NC_Libertarian said:
I have super busy the last year. We moved, and I have had a big project at work. I have nto had much time to train, shoot, or work on any projects like this. But I will get around to it.

Understood. Life happens.

DustBun · Dec 19, 2022

Sharing this information in case anyone else is interested.

I run ARD’s on most of my optics, mainly to protect the objective lens and for the other obvious reasons. So after getting the March Shorty I decided to order one. I could not find one anywhere so I contacted Don at LongRangeSupply and he ordered it for me. Great guy, first time customer but plan on doing more with him in the future. Anyway, I just received it, it took 2 months to get it but I am very pleased. In the interim I have been using the March Sunshade which I found on Optics Planet. Following is some technical data if you are interested:

March 24 mm Sunshade – Black – Part #: DB485-0
Diameter: 33 mm (1.299”)
Overall Length: 66.15 mm (2.604”)
Length Minus Threads: 63.55 mm (2.502”)
Weight: 22 g (0.78 oz)
Cost: $38.00

March 24 mm Honeycomb Hood (ARD) – Black – Part #: DB391-A
Diameter: 33 mm (1.299”)
Overall Length: 15 mm (0.591”)
Length Minus Threads: 12 mm (0.472”)
Weight: 6 g (0.21 oz)
Cost: $104.00

Edit: added weights

Happiness Is A Warm Gun · Dec 19, 2022

Thanks for the info, dustbun. How do you like the March shorty so far?

DustBun · Dec 19, 2022

Happiness Is A Warm Gun said:
Thanks for the info, dustbun. How do you like the March shorty so far?

You are welcome. I do like the scope, what little I have used it. I have the DR-TR1 reticle. I bought it for the new rifle that I built that it is mounted on in the picture. I have been busy getting the rifle setup and really haven't had much time to work with the scope and enjoy it. I am off for two weeks so I plan on spending more time on it at the range.

Happiness Is A Warm Gun · Dec 19, 2022

Sounds good! What rifle is that? I see a kac handguard on it, but can't tell exactly what
make it is.

DustBun · Dec 19, 2022

Happiness Is A Warm Gun said:
Sounds good! What rifle is that? I see a kac handguard on it, but can't tell exactly what
make it is.

No make, it's my own build.

Charger442 · Dec 20, 2022

DustBun said:
Sharing this information in case anyone else is interested.

I run ARD’s on most of my optics, mainly to protect the objective lens and for the other obvious reasons. So after getting the March Shorty I decided to order one. I could not find one anywhere so I contacted Don at LongRangeSupply and he ordered it for me. Great guy, first time customer but plan on doing more with him in the future. Anyway, I just received it, it took 2 months to get it but I am very pleased. In the interim I have been using the March Sunshade which I found on Optics Planet. Following is some technical data if you are interested:

March 24 mm Sunshade – Black – Part #: DB485-0
Diameter: 33 mm (1.299”)
Overall Length: 66.15 mm (2.604”)
Length Minus Threads: 63.55 mm (2.502”)
Weight: 22 g (0.78 oz)
Cost: $38.00

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March 24 mm Honeycomb Hood (ARD) – Black – Part #: DB391-A
Diameter: 33 mm (1.299”)
Overall Length: 15 mm (0.591”)
Length Minus Threads: 12 mm (0.472”)
Weight: 6 g (0.21 oz)
Cost: $104.00

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What's the height of that scope mount? I can't find it anywhere online

DustBun · Dec 20, 2022

Charger442 said:
What's the height of that scope mount? I can't find it anywhere online

Following is what I measured with calipers:

Distance from top of the Picatinny rail to the center of the rings: ≈39.5 mm (1.555")
Distance from top of the Picatinny rail to the top of the rear 30 mm ring: ≈57.3 mm (2.256")
Distance from top of the Picatinny rail to the top of the front 33 mm ring: ≈60.68 mm (2.389")

Edit: Typo - 57.3 mm (2.556") changed to 57.3 mm (2.256").

Happiness Is A Warm Gun · Dec 20, 2022

DustBun said:
No make, it's my own build.

Makes sense. What do you have?

Charger442 · Dec 20, 2022

DustBun said:
Following is what I measured with calipers:

Distance from top of the Picatinny rail to the center of the rings: ≈39.5 mm (1.555")
Distance from top of the Picatinny rail to the top of the rear 30 mm ring: ≈57.3 mm (2.556")
Distance from top of the Picatinny rail to the top of the front 33 mm ring: ≈60.68 mm (2.389")

Perfect. Will do great behind a clip-on thermal.

DustBun · Dec 21, 2022

Happiness Is A Warm Gun said:
Makes sense. What do you have?

I posted a couple of pictures and a parts list in another thread here.

DustBun · Dec 21, 2022

Charger442 said:
Perfect. Will do great behind a clip-on thermal.

I just noticed a typo in my measurements and edited the original post in regards to:
Distance from top of the Picatinny rail to the top of the rear 30 mm ring: ≈57.3 mm (2.256")

I doesn't matter for your clip-on but I wanted to inform you.

Charger442 · Dec 21, 2022

DustBun said:
I just noticed a typo in my measurements and edited the original post in regards to:
Distance from top of the Picatinny rail to the top of the rear 30 mm ring: ≈57.3 mm (2.256")

I doesn't matter for your clip-on but I wanted to inform you.

Thanks. Only thing that matters is the centerline of scope measurement of ~1.5"

Happiness Is A Warm Gun · Jun 14, 2023

Finally got one. I know scopes can be very subjective and eyes are different and all, but I am extremely impressed so far. Nice eye box, clear glass, bright red dot, and ridiculously short and light for a 1-10 lpvo.

I already like it better than the Vortex 1-10, but it is more money. One of my favorite things about it is how it still would be very effective if the battery died and I didn't have a replacement immediately available, which can be an issue with ffp lpvos.

Hoody2shoes · Jun 15, 2023

I wish they wouldn't have done those tall shuriken turrets on the gen 2. Low profile capped makes more sense to me.

Happiness Is A Warm Gun · Jun 15, 2023

Hoody2shoes said:
I wish they wouldn't have done those tall shuriken turrets on the gen 2. Low profile capped makes more sense to me.

I agree. That's why I ordered the Gen 1. It is capped and low profile, but it does require the factory mount. I looked at the badger c1 mount I like for my kahles k16i and the Vortex 1-10 (before I sold it) earlier on this thread, and realized it was only around an ounce difference or so in total weight compared to the March mount.

One other thing I noticed is that while the March is definitely lighter on paper compared to the Vortex 1-10, the difference feels more substantial due to being roughly an inch and a half shorter. It reminds me of how a really well balanced rifle can feel lighter than one not as well balanced. FALs always felt lighter than they were on paper to me, and so does the sr25 CC. For 556 ARs, it is sort of like a tapered barrel vs a govt profile feeling totally different due to the balance and weight distribution, if that makes any sense.

TheHorta · Jun 15, 2023

March 1-10 “Tactical” next to VO 1-10x:

After professional Cerakote job:

Can’t beat size/weight with zero compromises in optical quality.

Comparison: S&B 1-8x CC Short Dot, Vortex G3 1-10x, NF ATACR 1-8x DMx, Sig T6 1-6x.

koshkin · Jun 15, 2023

That's a few nice LPVOs right there...

I use the earlier March 1-8x24 Shorty with a variety of clip-ons. It works exceedignly well. I have spent a lot of time with the 1-10x24 Shorty and like it quite a lot, but for hunting purposes the FFP 1-8x24 does everything I need to.

ILya

Happiness Is A Warm Gun · Jun 15, 2023

koshkin said:
That's a few nice LPVOs right there...

I use the earlier March 1-8x24 Shorty with a variety of clip-ons. It works exceedignly well. I have spent a lot of time with the 1-10x24 Shorty and like it quite a lot, but for hunting purposes the FFP 1-8x24 does everything I need to.

ILya

I owe you a big thank you for letting me know this March shorty even existed. After I saw one of your YouTube videos discussing it, I started researching and finally ended up buying one. Your review and comments were spot on!

DacianMH · Jun 15, 2023

Mine is the DR1-TR1 reticle with capped turrets. I had the one with the exposed turrets before and i wasn't really a fan of them on a 1-10x. Ive had it maybe a year now and still haven't mounted it because of the double dia setup. Im having a custom 34mm to 33mm delrin step-down insert made and I’ll probably mount it in a 34mm Badger Comm mount along with a 34mm to 30mm rear step-down insert. My last one I did the same thing but with aluminum sheet stock and it held up fine.

PappyM3 · Jun 15, 2023

Zero Gravity told me there were enough people asking about it that they were looking into doing a run of 33/30mm mounts for the March 1-10 shorty. They said it may be a bit of time though.

But, that was before the 34mm Gen 2 came out and I don’t know if they’re still planning on doing the gen 1 mount.

If they do come out with one, it would pair very well with the shorty, being only 5 1/4 ounces. But they only offer 1.7” and 1.93” mounts. So it probably wouldn’t work for those using clip ons.

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Bart · Jun 15, 2023

@DacianMH you might want to check American Rifle Company, they might have the rings in stock, that is what I am using....

DacianMH · Jun 18, 2023

Bart said:
@DacianMH you might want to check American Rifle Company, they might have the rings in stock, that is what I am using....

I saw those, I have a work around though using polystyrene sheets that are .53mm thick. I’ll replace the white for black down the road but see pics for clarification. I need an SPR style not separate rings. My intended use for it is for my LSA 6mmARC but I’ve been so busy with 8.6 Blackout that I’ve forgotten about the 6mmARC

Ape_Factory · Jun 19, 2023

Check out the new Primary Arms PLX cant mounts (not for the earlier version of the 1-10x). Very light, almost the same as the Scalarworks for $180 less. I have the LEAP 08 and the PLX with the PLX waiting for my 1-8 compact (poor man's March!) to arrive. It's made in the USA out of 7075 and has a very nice coating. It's less expensive than the Badger as well but doesn't have the add on capabilities. https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-30mm-plx-cantilever-mount-1.5-pa-plx-cm-30-1.5

If ARC would do a lightweight version of their one-piece scope mount, I'd be all over it.

Glassaholic · Jun 21, 2023

Ape_Factory said:
Check out the new Primary Arms PLX cant mounts (not for the earlier version of the 1-10x). Very light, almost the same as the Scalarworks for $180 less. I have the LEAP 08 and the PLX with the PLX waiting for my 1-8 compact (poor man's March!) to arrive. It's made in the USA out of 7075 and has a very nice coating. It's less expensive than the Badger as well but doesn't have the add on capabilities. https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-30mm-plx-cantilever-mount-1.5-pa-plx-cm-30-1.5

If ARC would do a lightweight version of their one-piece scope mount, I'd be all over it.

Regarding PA PLX cantilever mount vs. Scalarworks, not sure where you think similarities are coming from because it is not QD and it is not two bolt/hinge lock. I'd say the PLX cant is closer to Badger C1 and Geissele more than Scalarworks.

Ape_Factory · Jun 21, 2023

I have both so aware of the differences. Was only comparing to the Scalarworks in terms of overall weight.

Glassaholic · Jun 21, 2023

Ape_Factory said:
I have both so aware of the differences. Was only comparing to the Scalarworks in terms of overall weight.

My bad, I misunderstood "Very light, almost the same as the Scalarworks for $180 less.", I see now how you were just referring to weight and not the overall design.

Ape_Factory · Jun 21, 2023

No worries at all Bill! I only brought it up due to the mention of the Badger mount and the Badger's weight being heavier than the Scalarworks.

DacianMH · Jul 23, 2023

Burdy · Jul 23, 2023

DacianMH said:
Well yall, Im considering selling my March F Shorty DR1 TR1. Its in mint condition. Never dropped, scratched, or abused in any way. There aren't any left that I could see anywhere and mine is the capped one you see here in the attachment. PM me with an offer if anyone is interested. Its in the mount now but i can include the mount or remove it. The white shim stock is polystyrene.

How long you been here and still don't know the rules?

DacianMH · Jul 23, 2023

Burdy said:
How long you been here and still don't know the rules?

I didn't associate a price.

Burdy · Jul 23, 2023

DacianMH said:
I didn't associate a price.

Sales posts belong in the post exchange. People have alerts set for following discussions. No one wants to check those out to find your sales ad.

RayDBonz · Sep 21, 2023

Big sale if anyone is looking for a mount! (no affiliation)

Long Scope Ring 30mm x 1.400" - Grizzly Industrial

We are thrilled to announce our new premium March scope rings, proudly made in the USA! A custom rifle and a premium scope deserve the highest quality scope rings made. <p>These aircraft grade 7075-T6 Aluminum rings have the strength of steel at less than half the weight and are machined in...

www.grizzly.com

Glassaholic · Sep 21, 2023

RayDBonz said:
Big sale if anyone is looking for a mount! (no affiliation)

Long Scope Ring 30mm x 1.400" - Grizzly Industrial

We are thrilled to announce our new premium March scope rings, proudly made in the USA! A custom rifle and a premium scope deserve the highest quality scope rings made. <p>These aircraft grade 7075-T6 Aluminum rings have the strength of steel at less than half the weight and are machined in...

www.grizzly.com

I didn't think Shiraz was affiliated with March anymore, that's interesting...

gxer · Sep 21, 2023

Has anyone tried this mount on any other LPVO? It should work just fine with any short body LPVO like the PA PLxC 1-8. It's not going to be as rigid as a dual ring mono mount but it would be a good trade off for weight reduction

RayDBonz · Sep 22, 2023

Glassaholic said:
I didn't think Shiraz was affiliated with March anymore, that's interesting...

Probably getting rid of the remaining inventory?

Edsel · Aug 25, 2024

Semi - old thread, I know.

Any experience with the newer model, which has a regular 34mm tube?

Conqueror · Aug 25, 2024

Even if it was identical in optical performance, moving away from the stupid-ass proprietary mount system would make it a much better buy. I have the 1.5-15 and they significantly improved the optical performance between generations, not certain if they did the same with the 1-10 but it wouldn’t surprise me if they shared some design upgrades.

RampedRaptor · Aug 26, 2024

Edsel said:
Semi - old thread, I know.

Any experience with the newer model, which has a regular 34mm tube?

I have the newer model and really like it so far. Unfortunately, I don’t have much to add other than I’d buy another one.

Edsel · Aug 28, 2024

RampedRaptor said:
I have the newer model and really like it so far. Unfortunately, I don’t have much to add other than I’d buy another one.

Still undecided on whether I should use a 4-16x42mm (or similar) in conjunction with a red dot instead.

Any pros or cons as far as “dynamic” vs. “static” handling is comcerned?

Glassaholic · Sep 15, 2024

Edsel said:
Still undecided on whether I should use a 4-16x42mm (or similar) in conjunction with a red dot instead.

Any pros or cons as far as “dynamic” vs. “static” handling is comcerned?

That is dependent upon whether you're going to sit at 15x most of the day with the 1.5-15, if that is the intended use then I'd say a 4-16 with RDS is going to be a better situation for you, but if 1.5-10 is where you'll mostly sit and would like to bump up to the occasional higher mag, that is where the 1.5-15 shines...

Happiness Is A Warm Gun · Oct 5, 2024

Glassaholic said:
That is dependent upon whether you're going to sit at 15x most of the day with the 1.5-15, if that is the intended use then I'd say a 4-16 with RDS is going to be a better situation for you, but if 1.5-10 is where you'll mostly sit and would like to bump up to the occasional higher mag, that is where the 1.5-15 shines...

Thanks. I was having similar questions about a future mpvo purchase and had narrowed it down to those two. Good info!

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