AT-XC bolts are not compatible with AT/AW bolts

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    #1
    I just picked up an AT-XC and was going to have Bugholes do a 223 conversion. I was able to find a complete bolt, but when I went to put it into the gun, it was a no-go. After comparing the two bolts, it is clear that the changes they made for the AT-XC are significant. Unless I am missing something, I will have to wait for the AT-XC bolts to become available.
     
    #4
    When asked about the possibility of retrofitting, AI informed of the new model coming in the fall of 2026 (specifically for civilian sales): The AT-FU.

    It allows the end user to retrofit the old sticker to his/her gun safe. You still have to pay $126 for the sticker though.

    Expect a price hike on the rifle.
     
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    Adam B said:
    I just picked up an AT-XC and was going to have Bugholes do a 223 conversion. I was able to find a complete bolt, but when I went to put it into the gun, it was a no-go. After comparing the two bolts, it is clear that the changes they made for the AT-XC are significant. Unless I am missing something, I will have to wait for the AT-XC bolts to become available.
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    No shit they said that back at the release
     
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    Would you mind providing a link which describes the design differences between the AT-XC and earlier short action AI's? I did a search and couldn't find anything about design differences. Just a lot of opinions on bolt lift feel.
     
    #8
    Chances are bugholes won't do an ATXC 223 bolt, Greg mentioned a while back once the last couple of AX/AT 223 bolts are gone he's probably going to stop offering them because too much fiddling is needed to make them run. If he's going to hang up the AT/AX 223 bolts I doubt he'll go through the effort to design a 223 bolt for the ATXC.

    AI should have theirs out by the end of the year... They never said what year though. :ROFLMAO:
     
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    Kiba said:
    Chances are bugholes won't do an ATXC 223 bolt, Greg mentioned a while back once the last couple of AX/AT 223 bolts are gone he's probably going to stop offering them because too much fiddling is needed to make them run. If he's going to hang up the AT/AX 223 bolts I doubt he'll go through the effort to design a 223 bolt for the ATXC.

    AI should have theirs out by the end of the year... They never said what year though. :ROFLMAO:
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    I was set up to have him do one, and he did mention that he is not planning on doing any more after this due to overall reliability issues.
     
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    ShtrRdy said:
    Would you mind providing a link which describes the design differences between the AT-XC and earlier short action AI's? I did a search and couldn't find anything about design differences. Just a lot of opinions on bolt lift feel.
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    I would also like to see this since I have been out of AI rifles for a few years.
     
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    Adam B said:
    I would also like to see this since I have been out of AI rifles for a few years.
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    (IIRC)...

    The ASR bolt had some modest tech/design upgrades. The XC bolt is now getting that 'ASR' treatment. As a result, next-gen (XC) bolts aren't backward compatible with the legacy (AW) actions.

    FWIW, SAUM bolts will be released, but only with the new tech (XC). So no SAUM for the AW or ATX platform guys.

    Make of that what you will.
     
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    ShtrRdy said:
    Would you mind pointing us to which post out of the 524 posts describes the changes? I spent some time looking through them but couldn't find any description,
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    Click the link.

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    ShtrRdy said:
    Would you mind pointing us to which post out of the 524 posts describes the changes? I spent some time looking through them but couldn't find any description,
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    I don’t believe there’s been any more information given beyond that the cocking geometry has changed.

    I just wanted to post a link to the post from AI directly stating that they aren’t compatible.

    It’s yet another reason why I won’t be buying one as I have too much invested in the AT style bolts to switch.

    The AW style lasted for 30ish years, the AT style for 10ish years, so how long will this style last…5ish years?

    The best thing about AI used to be that things didn’t constantly change and parts compatibility for the last 30+ years of rifles for major components was guaranteed. Sadly, that’s no longer the case.
     
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    Firestarter123 said:
    I don’t believe there’s been any more information given beyond that the cocking geometry has changed.

    I just wanted to post a link to the post from AI directly stating that they aren’t compatible.

    It’s yet another reason why I won’t be buying one as I have too much invested in the AT style bolts to switch.

    The AW style lasted for 30ish years, the AT style for 10ish years, so how long will this style last…5ish years?

    The best thing about AI used to be that things didn’t constantly change and parts compatibility for the last 30+ years of rifles for major components was guaranteed. Sadly, that’s no longer the case.
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    AI does not care about the shooting community. Flex Culture is huge in the gun community and AI will continue to sell as people want validation that they're doing it right.
     
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    MxTexas said:
    Maybe, maybe not. What percentage of guys do you think are on here to validate what they can/could afford. When it comes to trucks, bikes and gears, guys are insecure as shit.
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    I just find it dumb as fuck when people run their mouth about products they don’t own; never experienced; never has intentions or means to own/experience due to high price point of entry. There are a lot of products i find over my budget or in my means but don’t convince me a value. I don’t waste time on them because i either can’t afford them or don’t think they present a value to me; none of those which suggests i should go pick up fights on the internet to feel better about myself.
     
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    xxflyingturtlexx said:
    I just find it dumb as fuck when people run their mouth about products they don’t own; never experienced; never has intentions or means to own/experience due to high price point of entry. There are a lot of products i find over my budget or in my means but don’t convince me a value. I don’t waste time on them because i either can’t afford them or don’t think they present a value to me; none of those which suggests i should go pick up fights on the internet to feel better about myself.
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    Yes, I agree that it's super annoying to see guys talk about things that they don't own. Yes, the whole self validation thing is real. I had, have and will continue to buy AI products to support them, as I do not wish them to be where Sako and Steyr are with the M10 and the SSG M1.

    I did not say that AI is junk, I said that AI does not care about the shooting community. There is a diffrent. From my own experiences over the last few years, getting simple info like torque specs and replacement parts from AI is unnessessary difficult. We can be fans/customers but why not be honest about how they're operating.

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    MxTexas said:
    Yes, I agree that it's super annoying to see guys talk about things that they don't own. Yes, the whole self validation thing is real. I had, have and will continue to buy AI products to support them, as I do not wish them to be where Sako and Steyr are with the M10 and the SSG M1.

    I did not say that AI is junk, I said that AI does not care about the shooting community. There is a diffrent. From my own experiences over the last few years, getting simple info like torque specs and replacement parts from AI is unnessessary difficult. We can be fans/customers but why not be honest about how they're operating.

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    I also love my AI’s, however, I can’t see myself supporting them by buying their products beyond the 2 AT’s that I currently own.

    Like you I’ve grown tired of hunting for parts as well as with the direction their rifle designs have taken over the last couple of generations.

    It they’d have made an ATXC I’d own one of them rather than the TRG-42 that I wound up buying, however, they had no interest in making one and I had no interest in the AXMC nor the AXSR.
     
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    Firestarter123 said:
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    I also love my AI’s, however, I can’t see myself supporting the by buying their products beyond the 2 AT’s that I currently own.

    Like you I’ve grown tired of hunting for parts as well as with the direction their rifle designs have taken over the last couple of generations.

    It they’d have made an ATXC I’d own one of them rather than the TRG-42 that I wound up buying, however, they had no interest in making one and I had no interest in the AXMC nor the AXSR.
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    After being in the motorcycle business for decades I learned that having supports from the manufacturer is key if you want to use and "lightly" abuse your gears. I would own Trumphs and Ducatis but would not push them as hard as I do on my Gixxers and Yamahas. Now, the Ducatis and the AI are both sexy as hell but I'm not one of those guy who only go to the range once every few months. Me and my family are member at a private range with steels out to 1k so we shoot on a weekly basis. Having a bunch of good rifles with a bunch of good glass where we can get spares/replacements is the only way that works for us. I do wish that AI direction to their US civilian market will be different in the future. At the end of the day, I'm a customer and not just much a fan.
     
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    Firestarter123 said:
    Never heard of a pierced primer damaging a firing ping or bolt face?

    Currently your only option is a trip to AINA (maybe MHSA) and at least a week of downtime since there aren’t any complete bolt assemblies available for purchase anywhere.
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    I bought 2 of them when euro had them in stock. One sent for wsm conversion and the other as a SFP spare to my LFP 2014 AT’s
     
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    As much as people complain about not being able to buy spare parts. I haven't read much about Milehighshooting.com or AINA not having them in stock for service work.

    I've used both places and both have got me back up and running in days, not weeks.

    Things unfortunately evolve over time and get upgraded.

    AI for the most part seem to change their system when they are going after big contracts that demand it.

    I don't have an issue with AI and parts availability. You can buy a bolt for piece of mind but for the most part they still offer solid support for legacy guns.
     
    #28
    To be fair, AI is a much smaller company than most people believe so CS and parts availablity or lack thereof is expected. AI has less than 100 employees so they are similar in size to MDT, Seekins or Proof.

    For example, companies like Daniel Defense or Bergara are twice as big (100 to 200 employees) and have 2x the revenue ($30M to $50M). I would still consider those as small companies.

    Medium sized companies would be something like Tikka (200 to 300 employees, ~$100M), Savage (300 to 500 employees, $100M to $200M). A large company woud be a Ruger (1800 employees, $500M), Sig (2000 employees, $500M) and Beretta (4000 employees, $800M). And yes, I know that Beretta owns Tikka/Sako.

    Just want to put things in perspective for people.
     
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