Did Steiner just quietly build the MPO we have all been asking for? H6xi

jbuck88 · Oct 10, 2024

That and who needs 10mils of wind hold? The mil-r has 5mil and even that's on the generous side.

The illuminated tmr is pretty useful, but I agree trying to satisfy too many people means it sucks ass for everyone.

kthomas · Oct 10, 2024

jbuck88 said:
That and who needs 10mils of wind hold? The mil-r has 5mil and even that's on the generous side.

The illuminated tmr is pretty useful, but I agree trying to satisfy too many people means it sucks ass for everyone.

I tend to agree, especially when you have the option of dialing for wind.

There's more than enough time to dial for wind on the longer ranges for most any application.

Brettdec · Oct 10, 2024

kthomas said:
I tend to agree, especially when you have the option of dialing for wind.

There's more than enough time to dial for wind on the longer ranges for most any application.

jbuck88 said:
That and who needs 10mils of wind hold? The mil-r has 5mil and even that's on the generous side.

The illuminated tmr is pretty useful, but I agree trying to satisfy too many people means it sucks ass for everyone.

The horizontal stadia are not there entirely for wind. The TMR is a tactical reticle, therefore it has means of communicating target location and engaging moving targets - both essentials for an SPR'ish optic. I'll take them for hunting/varminting too. Spotters/binos with full field milling reticles are powerful tools for talking somebody onto critters hiding on brushy hillsides.

Guns&WhiteWater · Oct 10, 2024

I had a Mil-R reticle once and thought it was a great option for hunting. Also thought the P4 was a good one. Definitely never needed 10 mils of wind holds.

PappyM3 · Oct 11, 2024

Guns&WhiteWater said:
I had a Mil-R reticle once and thought it was a great option for hunting. Also thought the P4 was a good one. Definitely never needed 10 mils of wind holds.

Overall I like the Mil-R reticle, but playing around with it at low mag trying for quick target acquisition/sight picture, I found it a little distracting with the long stadia lines at 1 mrad on both axes. Anytime I gave myself a moment, there were zero issues. It just took slightly longer for a confident sight picture on a target than the HX6i MOA reticle.

white_rushin · Oct 11, 2024

I couldn’t hold off any longer, there some pretty nice deals on the H6Xi STR-Mil. I took the plunge today.

Bruiser seems to like it a lot and that’s enough of a vote of confidence for me since I like his overall philosophy.

Edit: One quirk I can see is, does the 42mm objective interfere with the ability to add a piggyback dot (in front of the turret)

bf2junky · Oct 11, 2024

white_rushin said:
I couldn’t hold off any longer, there some pretty nice deals on the H6Xi STR-Mil. I took the plunge today.

Bruiser seems to like it a lot and that’s enough of a vote of confidence for me since I like his overall philosophy.

Edit: One quirk I can see is, does the 42mm objective interfere with the ability to add a piggyback dot (in front of the turret)

Look at Bruiser Industries IG reel. Ridiculous Steiner pricing via his Dealer rep.

Did you get in on this deal?

white_rushin · Oct 11, 2024

bf2junky said:
Look at Bruiser Industries IG reel. Ridiculous Steiner pricing via his Dealer rep.

Did you get in on this deal?

Yup that’s why I pulled the trigger.

Deepwoods · Oct 12, 2024

I took mu newly mounted 2-12 out to zero yesterday. The below photo isn't great, but it does show that the fine reticle might get lost a bit on the shoot and sees. But it was still usable. The illumination sorta helped, ish.

I know the scope isn't necessarily designed for shooting groups of small bulls-eyes.

Also, to a question above, yes you can mount a 12:00 RDS; I have a ACRO2 on a Reptilia mount and it *just* clears the bell. Like, theres a sliver of daylight but a piece of paper doesn't slide through.

Earnhardt · Oct 12, 2024

Deepswoods, did you take any reticle pics when the scope was on 2X?
Thanks

Deepwoods · Oct 12, 2024

That would hav been a reasonable thing... but I didn't. If you don't mind a different background, I can do so sooner than later.

Thorbeast · Oct 12, 2024

Deepwoods said:
That would hav been a reasonable thing... but I didn't. If you don't mind a different background, I can do so sooner than later.

In your opinion, is the reticle useable as a duplex at 2x?

beetroot · Oct 12, 2024

Thorbeast said:
In your opinion, is the reticle useable as a duplex at 2x?

There's no world in which a thin FFP tree reticle of this design is going to be genuinely useful as a duplex reticle at 2x, unless it is extremely thick like a S&B P3, SWFA Mil quad, LRHS, or the THLR reticle.

Even the Athlon AHMR2 (which is considerably thicker than this) isn't that great on 2x. 3x magnification is about as low as you can practically go before you need to start including high visibility features in the reticle.

There is no free lunch here, the reticle just isn't thick enough to be easily visible at 2x. Guys can convince themselves that it's good enough, but there only so much you can ignore reality through wishful thinking.

white_rushin · Oct 12, 2024

I think the pendulum is swinging and now some of these comments overstate how useless the reticle is at 2x. Nobody expects it to be the best thing ever, but those T-posts are clearly visible and extend pretty far inward. I think it’ll do a lot for quick engagements along with the illuminated reticle. NF’s Mil-XT is pretty thin and small for its complexity at 4x as well

beetroot · Oct 12, 2024

white_rushin said:
I think the pendulum is swinging and now some of these comments overstate how useless the reticle is at 2x. Nobody expects it to be the best thing ever, but those T-posts are clearly visible and extend pretty far inward. I think it’ll do a lot for quick engagements along with the illuminated reticle. NF’s Mil-XT is pretty thin and small at 4x as well

For shooting 2 legged and large 4 legged animals at 25yards or closer anything will work, but that's not the point.
If I wanted a reticle that was perfect for 10-12x and barely useful at 2-5x then I'd buy the 3-18 version.

If the reticle isn't easily visible and usable in all lighting conditions, on all target sizes at 2-4x then what's the point in the magnification going that low?

Deepwoods · Oct 13, 2024

Here is the reticle at 2x and 12x

Do I think it's usable at 2x? Yes. "Enough" so...? That's too subjective to answer. The inner reticle lines are thin, but the thicker 3-6-9 lines do draw the eye inward. Should they be thicker or more "arrow-head like?" I think that would be helpful.

While I can't quantify how much so, the lines are more crisp, visible, and noticeable IRL vs the photos. This is true for the primary"T" as well as the wind holds. The latter are completely lost in the photo, but were not IRL.

The scope was balanced on a fence and this was the view I could easily get. But when I swung the scope to a darker spot (eg the shaded area at the 3:00 edge of the first photo), the scope did a good job of transmitting the details.

white_rushin · Oct 13, 2024

Deepwoods said:
Here is the reticle at 2x and 12x

Do I think it's usable at 2x? Yes. "Enough" so...? That's too subjective to answer. The inner reticle lines are thin, but the thicker 3-6-9 lines do draw the eye inward. Should they be thicker or more "arrow-head like?" I think that would be helpful.

While I can't quantify how much so, the lines are more crisp, visible, and noticeable IRL vs the photos. This is true for the primary"T" as well as the wind holds. The latter are completely lost in the photo, but were not IRL.

The scope was balanced on a fence and this was the view I could easily get. But when I swung the scope to a darker spot (eg the shaded area at the 3:00 edge of the first photo), the scope did a good job of transmitting the details.
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Thank you for sharing. This does not look very different than say Vortex EBR-7 reticle at 3x IMO

hlee · Oct 13, 2024

Maybe the picture is deceiving, but the irony is that the reticle is as difficult to see at 12 as it is at 2…

kthomas · Oct 13, 2024

hlee said:
Maybe the picture is deceiving, but the irony is that the reticle is as difficult to see at 12 as it is at 2…

It does.

But I always find through the scope pics to be highly deceiving. For whatever reason, reticles always look much difference IRL then through a picture.

Earnhardt · Oct 13, 2024

Thanks for the pics Deepwoods!
Showing the reticle in a real world hunting scenario with the wooded/grassy background is what really helps us see how it will work in the field.

Ape_Factory · Oct 13, 2024

I think I'll be snagging both the 2-12 and 3-18, waiting for Otto to get back to me. I have the Athlon 2-12 and Meopta 3-18 with the MRAD1 reticle which is awesome but it's a BIG scope and I need smaller. About the time I purchase both, Athlon will release their new 2-12 Cronus w/Japanese glass and Meopta will come out with a smaller 3-18. It's like washing my car. It always rains the next day, LOL.

Deepwoods · Oct 14, 2024

hlee said:
Maybe the picture is deceiving, but the irony is that the reticle is as difficult to see at 12 as it is at 2…

Id say deceiving (the reticle is more crisp irl and also more noticeable), but I won't argue that Steiner erred on the side of fine line over thick line.

I like it enough to play with it for a while. If the NF's FC-DMx made it into a similar package... that would be enticing.

tam4511 · Oct 14, 2024

Yeah I'm very tempted to snag a 2-12 from Otto, I already have a 1-8 Nx8 with the DMX on the way for the gun I'd put it on though. I really wish they thought through the reticle more.

bf2junky · Oct 14, 2024

Y'all must have better eyes than me. I don’t know how y'all judge these reticles without looking through them yourselves outdoors.

kthomas · Oct 14, 2024

bf2junky said:
Y'all must have better eyes than me. I don’t know how y'all judge these reticles without looking through them yourselves outdoors.

The true test is looking through them with your own eyes, outdoors, against a low contrast target.

beetroot · Oct 14, 2024

bf2junky said:
Y'all must have better eyes than me. I don’t know how y'all judge these reticles without looking through them yourselves outdoors.

I've seen and used enough reticles to know what works and what doesn't.
I've done enough low light/low visibility testing, and enough shooting with lower powered FFP scopes I've got a fair idea of what works amd doesn't.

Based on the reticle design and subtensions, very seldom does a reticle look any different in person than online.
Some parts of the design might work better or worse in person than what you see in a picture, but something as simple as general thickness/visibility doesn't really change between reticle designs.

I thought the Athlon AHMR2 reticle was barely visible enough on 2x, so the probability of this reticle being the same visibility or better is basically 0%.
I don't see the point in spending $1500 to try something I'm 99% sure I'm not going to be happy with.

Sure the only way to know 100% is to use it yourself for 12 months in a variety of conditions, but you can get most of the way extrapolating experiences with similar scopes/reticles.

bf2junky · Oct 14, 2024

beetroot said:
I've seen and used enough reticles to know what works and what doesn't.
I've done enough low light/low visibility testing, and enough shooting with lower powered FFP scopes I've got a fair idea of what works amd doesn't.

Based on the reticle design and subtensions, very seldom does a reticle look any different in person than online.
Some parts of the design might work better or worse in person than what you see in a picture, but something as simple as general thickness/visibility doesn't really change between reticle designs.

I thought the Athlon AHMR2 reticle was barely visible enough on 2x, so the probability of this reticle being the same visibility or better is basically 0%.
I don't see the point in spending $1500 to try something I'm 99% sure I'm not going to be happy with.

Sure the only way to know 100% is to use it yourself for 12 months in a variety of conditions, but you can get most of the way extrapolating experiences with similar scopes/reticles.

Who said anything about $1500, we gettin' these bad boys for $800!!

beetroot · Oct 14, 2024

bf2junky said:
Who said anything about $1500, we gettin' these bad boys for $800!!

Ugandan dollars?

$800 is less than 50% of MAP.

bf2junky · Oct 14, 2024

beetroot said:
Ugandan dollars?

$800 is less than 50% of MAP.

I mentioned the "secret" in post #357. Not really a secret, it was advertised to the world. Just have to know where to look. "limited quantities" though

Earnhardt · Oct 14, 2024

beetroot said:
Ugandan dollars?

$800 is less than 50% of MAP.

Yup…I can’t find a link…and I’m not wasting any more time looking for it.

Tech43 · Oct 14, 2024

Earnhardt said:
Yup…I can’t find a link…and I’m not wasting any more time looking for it.

I’ve tried too, can’t find, I don’t do the IG/ FB

tam4511 · Oct 14, 2024

bf2junky said:
Y'all must have better eyes than me. I don’t know how y'all judge these reticles without looking through them yourselves outdoors.

Having used/owned the 2.5-15 t6xi, 3-18 t6xi, 3-15 RT15, 5-25 Xtr2, 3.3-18 xtr3, and 5.5-30 xtr3 with the scr and scr2 reticles, i can tell by looking at pics that the reticle is way too thin at max mag. Making it useless at lower mags. As much as I love Burris/Steiner, they've been bad about adjusting reticles for lower power variants for a while.

tam4511 · Oct 14, 2024

beetroot said:
Ugandan dollars?

$800 is less than 50% of MAP.

Tech43 said:
I’ve tried too, can’t find, I don’t do the IG/ FB

Email [email protected]
Ask about the special pricing deal he is doing in reference to Bruiser's IG post.

beetroot · Oct 14, 2024

bf2junky said:
I mentioned the "secret" in post #357. Not really a secret, it was advertised to the world. Just have to know where to look. "limited quantities" though

I tried looking for that secret, no luck.

Instagram does my head in, I have no idea how anyone uses that bloody website.

tam4511 · Oct 15, 2024

beetroot said:
I tried looking for that secret, no luck.

Instagram does my head in, I have no idea how anyone uses that bloody website.

Scroll up lol

LeftyJason · Oct 15, 2024

tam4511 said:
Scroll up lol

How does that help if somebody does not have Instagram? Or gets lost? Why not do something nice and post a link for those that fit in those categories?

KimberGuy · Oct 15, 2024

LeftyJason said:
How does that help if somebody does not have Instagram? Or gets lost? Why not do something nice and post a link for those that fit in those categories?

The info is literally 3 posts above yours. You want him to hold your hand and fill out the order sheet for you also?

tam4511 · Oct 15, 2024

LeftyJason said:
How does that help if somebody does not have Instagram? Or gets lost? Why not do something nice and post a link for those that fit in those categories?

You dont need the IG link.. just follow my instructions and email Otto.

beetroot · Oct 15, 2024

KimberGuy said:
The info is literally 3 posts above yours. You want him to hold your hand and fill out the order sheet for you also?

Not the entire order sheet, just put in his credit card info is enough.

bf2junky · Oct 15, 2024

Shouldn't have posted it at all on a forum. It was for Bruiser's followers. If you aren't on IG or know how to use it, tough luck.

white_rushin · Oct 15, 2024

bf2junky said:
Shouldn't have posted it at all on a forum. It was for Bruiser's followers. If you aren't on IG or know how to use it, tough luck.

Agreed

KimberGuy · Oct 15, 2024

bf2junky said:
Shouldn't have posted it at all on a forum. It was for Bruiser's followers. If you aren't on IG or know how to use it, tough luck.

Yup

tam4511 · Oct 15, 2024

bf2junky said:
Shouldn't have posted it at all on a forum. It was for Bruiser's followers. If you aren't on IG or know how to use it, tough luck.

white_rushin said:
Agreed

KimberGuy said:
Yup

TIL emails are top secret.

person1 · Oct 15, 2024

I'm already seeing them being flipped for $1700. This is why we can't have nice things.

gopherslayer · Oct 15, 2024

person1 said:
I'm already seeing them being flipped for $1700. This is why we can't have nice things.

Flip is reselling Steiner now? How far the mighty have fallen.

bf2junky · Oct 15, 2024

person1 said:
I'm already seeing them being flipped for $1700. This is why we can't have nice things.

Well I plan to use mine. I just hope I get one. Haven’t seen my card charged yet.

nimtoille · Oct 15, 2024

@Deepwoods any side profile pics of the scope mounted with the ACRO on top? Have the same 30mm Reptilia AUS mount and wanted to see the clearance with an ACRO.

Thanks!

Deepwoods · Oct 15, 2024

The photo shows no space, but there is a very small sliver of light. I pressed on it a bit and I don't think you risk hitting the scope unless you really knock it.

WWJD · Oct 15, 2024

Anyone know if you can run a Badger C1 mount w/ diving board?

Thorbeast · Oct 15, 2024

person1 said:
I'm already seeing them being flipped for $1700. This is why we can't have nice things.

Lol nobody is playing 1700 for these. There are a few listings with no takers at 1400.

Having trouble using the site?

Did Steiner just quietly build the MPO we have all been asking for? H6xi

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