Rifle Scopes Leupold Mark 4HD

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Makinchips208 said:
Thanks. I see. Sounds like the whole turret assembly is junk imo.
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Yep, pretty much.

It could be even simpler though. I'm no optical design engineer, but I wouldn't be surprised if half of the problems I experienced came down to a design flaw in how the caps are secured: the caps are set/secured by 2 (and only 2) of the smallest hex grub screws I've ever seen/experienced on a scope turret. Any real torque would surely strip them out and they don't have a whole lot of engagement.

They're 1/16" hex, which for comparison, is smaller than the little 3/16" hex screw used to secure the rear Sevigny Competition sights on Glocks (so pretty damn small). I had to order a couple of 1/16" hex wrenches and throw them in my pack's toolkit for the Mark4HD as none of my other rifle shit utilizes anything that small (they're like toothpick-sized).
 
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Got a 6x24 PR2. The cap and marks all line up fine at 0.0. At +3 they are off just a little bit, but the 3-mark on the cap is in the width of the mark on the scope body, but just slightly out of center. At 5.0, it lines up perfectly again.

The clicks all match with the cap/marker though. Not like CK1.0 posted where 60 is 6.2. 60 clicks on mine = 6.0 on the cap.

The optical clarity at the range when put back to back with my DMR3 is noticeably better on the MK4HD. Everything looks much cleaner and details are more crisp.
 
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Leupold got back to me, they confirmed mine had a defect, and they're replacing my scope. How long that will take is up in the air (they said a repair of the scope I sent in would be faster, but I'd rather have a fresh example free of bad vibes so I opted for the replacement option).

At this point I have mixed feelings about their CS... in the end, it appears they are going to make things right, so I have a hard time giving them too much more shit about things, and the Mark4HDs are really good glass for relatively low money.
 
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On an impulse, I picked up a 2.5-10x Mk 4HD. I've gotta say, I like it. Image quality, depth of field and field of view are all fine. I really like that it's light and relatively short. I like compact scopes.

The whole issue with the zero stop not lining up is something that I noticed right off. I read of some fixes a couple of pages back and took a good look at it and made some observations.

First, i noticed that the hash mark on the body is much wider than the marks on the dial and further noticed that there is slop in the turrets. I don't know if this was by design or a fortunate accident, but the hash mark on the body is about as wide as the amount of slop in the turrets. What I did was zero the scope. I then dialed up 1 mil and reset the turret lining the 1 mil mark up with the mark on the body, such that twisting in the slop, leaves the mark on the dial lined up within the mark on the body. There is no mistaking where the dial is. Now, no matter where you dial, the mark on the knob is within the mark on the body.

If you reset the dial with the dial at zero, it will leave the marks misaligned throughout rotation.

On my particular scope, once the knob was set to track correctly, the zero stop wouldn't fully engage at zero. This is where I tried what was mentioned earlier by another poster. I removed the knob and used a file to slowly remove material from the zero stop collar until the zero stop locked into place. Don't remove too much. In my case, removing too much would have resulted in possibly being able to dial -.1 mil with the zero stop engaged.

Now, my OCD is satisfied and everything lines up. I took it out to 500 yesterday and the scope seems to track correctly and I never had to question where the dial was.

I agree that we shouldn't have to deal with these issues, but it seems that unless you're willing to spend north of 2500 on a scope, you're gonna be dealing with something. Shoot, Nightforce NX8 LPVO (I have tape around the diopter because the locking ring won't stay put), Vortex Razor (I keep managing to bend the ocular bell), Primary Arms PLXc (gotta adjust diopter to get a decent image on 8x, if you set it up on 1X), Vortex PST 2-10x (turrets seems to have a mind of there own and won't stay put).

In the end, im happy with the Mk4. Kinda wish the illumination was better. The anti cant feature is useless if you can't see the illumination. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong.
 
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I recently got a 6-24 mk4hd. For the price, the thing is really hard to beat. Glass is top tier (for the price bracket), I really like the zero stop knob/ rev indicator design, and it's very light weight. At its price bracket I don't think any competitors scope completely eclipses it. They may have separate areas that are better, but the leupy is a good over all choice. Especially for the LE/Mil crowd.

Have had to use leupold CS on two separate occasions. Both times were very positive experiences. Both scopes were taken care of without any excuses or excessive delays.
 
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zinny said:
I recently got a 6-24 mk4hd. For the price, the thing is really hard to beat. Glass is top tier (for the price bracket), I really like the zero stop knob/ rev indicator design, and it's very light weight. At its price bracket I don't think any competitors scope completely eclipses it. They may have separate areas that are better, but the leupy is a good over all choice. Especially for the LE/Mil crowd.

Have had to use leupold CS on two separate occasions. Both times were very positive experiences. Both scopes were taken care of without any excuses or excessive delays.
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So now tell us, do your hash marks line up to the indicator line?
Or do you get lost not knowing where you're at.
 
#811
After reading CK1.0's experience I decided to send my optic in and give Leupold a chance to fix the turret. I got it back today, just shy of two weeks, they did fix the elevation turret, lines up perfectly now. They did not fix the windage turret. Overall I'd say I'm satisfied and I'm glad Leupold took care of it.

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How does the 2.5-10 perform at 800-1,000 yards without parallax adjustment? I ask regarding image quality. I know the Credo 2-10s seem to struggle with clarity due to lack of side focus. I wasn’t sure if that was the same with the 2.5-10 model.

Also, the non-illuminated TMR reticle looks promising since it’s 1/2 as thin at max magnification
 
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white_rushin said:
How does the 2.5-10 perform at 800-1,000 yards without parallax adjustment? I ask regarding image quality. I know the Credo 2-10s seem to struggle with clarity due to lack of side focus. I wasn’t sure if that was the same with the 2.5-10 model.

Also, the non-illuminated TMR reticle looks promising since it’s 1/2 as thin at max magnification
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I just received my 2.5-10 illuminated TMR and took it out from 200 to 812 last weekend on a 350 legend. Obviously not the best cartridge to experiment with at longer ranges. I didn't feel the need to have parallax adjustment but it would have been nice. Slight movement in the reticle if you don't have a close to perfect cheek weld. Image quality is very nice but slightly washed out past 800 ( I have mostly nightforce to compare it with ). Illuminated TMR is thick beyond 400 and if you dont need it I'd consider non-illuminated. My elevation turret doesn't line up perfectly but it seems to track fairly well.
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Bigwilly556 said:
I just received my 2.5-10 illuminated TMR and took it out from 200 to 812 last weekend on a 350 legend. Obviously not the best cartridge to experiment with at longer ranges. I didn't feel the need to have parallax adjustment but it would have been nice. Slight movement in the reticle if you don't have a close to perfect cheek weld. Image quality is very nice but slightly washed out past 800 ( I have mostly nightforce to compare it with ). Illuminated TMR is thick beyond 400 and if you dont need it I'd consider non-illuminated. My elevation turret doesn't line up perfectly but it seems to track fairly well. View attachment 8535531
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SFP or FFP?

If FFP, how useful is the reticle at 2.5x?

-Stan
 
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Bigwilly556 said:
I just received my 2.5-10 illuminated TMR and took it out from 200 to 812 last weekend on a 350 legend. Obviously not the best cartridge to experiment with at longer ranges. I didn't feel the need to have parallax adjustment but it would have been nice. Slight movement in the reticle if you don't have a close to perfect cheek weld. Image quality is very nice but slightly washed out past 800 ( I have mostly nightforce to compare it with ). Illuminated TMR is thick beyond 400 and if you dont need it I'd consider non-illuminated. My elevation turret doesn't line up perfectly but it seems to track fairly well.
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Thanks for the thorough feedback. It sounds and looks well designed for a lot of use cases. It probably thrives within 500.

I’ve done a lot of back and forth between this and the Steiner 2-12x Mil. The latter has the extra 2x, side focus, and more purpose built reticle to get that extra stretch out around 600-900M.

I wish Leupold had put in a modified TMR with a little more data for the modern era, not even a full blown tree, just something with 2/4/6/8/10 mil marks and a couple more wind holds.

Edit: even then, this scope still looks so good that I’d consider it since I do truly love the MK5 glass, price point, non-illuminated option, locking turret, and size/weight
 
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white_rushin said:
Thanks for the thorough feedback. It sounds and looks well designed for a lot of use cases. It probably thrives within 500.

I’ve done a lot of back and forth between this and the Steiner 2-12x Mil. The latter has the extra 2x, side focus, and more purpose built reticle to get that extra stretch out around 600-900M.

I wish Leupold had put in a modified TMR with a little more data for the modern era, not even a full blown tree, just something with 2/4/6/8/10 mil marks and a couple more wind holds.

Edit: even then, this scope still looks so good that I’d consider it since I do truly love the MK5 glass, price point, non-illuminated option, locking turret, and size/weight
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I agree. If they had a PR1 Mil or even a tree similar to a nightforce DMX it would be a killer scope. Im not a leupold fan but it check a lot of boxes for me. If you need glass for midrange lightweight hunting or gas gun out to 400-500 yards it works very well.
 
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Bigwilly556 said:
I agree. If they had a PR1 Mil or even a tree similar to a nightforce DMX it would be a killer scope. Im not a leupold fan but it check a lot of boxes for me. If you need glass for midrange lightweight hunting or gas gun out to 400-500 yards it works very well.
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Right, I fully admit I’m likely in the minority since I don’t think there are many people trying to push a 10x 5.56 beyond 600 yards. It seems like for 80% of users this looks to be a very practical setup that Leupold hit well on. I know C_DOES looks to be a huge fan of it
 
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Leupold fucking suck.

So, for those keeping score, I bought one Mark4HD 8-32x56 PR3 where the turret cap markings didn't line up precisely with the witness mark on its erector housing and which also had sloppy-feeling turrets that I didn't like, AFAIK everything else about it was ok, but those problems were annoying to me since I pretty much had to dial everything twice and count clicks before taking a shot. I ended up selling that one in the PX (at a few hundred dollars loss), and AFAIK the new owner is happy (they did get a like-new mostly great scope at a killer deal after all). That was my first one.

About a month later, I bought another one, same model, 8-32x56 PR3 MIL, only with this one, not only did the turret cap markings not line up with the witness marking on the erector housing (again), but it also didn't track correctly, falling off and out of whack somewhere ~6 MIls on its dial... I probably wouldn't have caught it if I didn't belong to a club that goes out to 1000+ yards and hadn't been shooting the same load/dope for a while. With this one, I decided to send it back to Leupold for repair or replacement and found out the hard way that all the awful stories I'd heard about their CS were true. I had to twist their arm to get them to pay for shipping it in (even though it was defective out of the box) and then I had to wait 4+ weeks for them to test and figure out the scope was defective (like I said it was, they assume the customer is always wrong apparently), and another 3+ weeks for them to finally send me out a brand-new replacement scope. Remember/consider that these are mid-price-point scopes, and if I was a guy who was just starting out in the sport and didn't have access or the funds for another scope, I wouldn't have been able to shoot and the rest of my fancy long-range rifle setup would've been collecting dust for all that time.

I finally got a brand-new-in-the-plastic replacement scope... but at this point, I'd already gone back to running a Razor G3 like I had for 1+ year before deciding to try the Mark 4HD, and decided that I was sick of pulling/mounting scopes and then burning rounds re-zeroing, so I decided to sell it in the PX (at another few hundred dollars loss) rather than take another chance on Leupold.

Well, the new owner got the brand-new scope and already found a defect when taking it out of the box and before mounting it. The reticle is canted in the tube and out of level with the scope body. He said he's going to see whether or not it bothers him and seems to be ok with it (as long as there aren't any more surprises), but that fucking sucks. I won't be surprised in the least if he ends up having to send it in to be made right or to get a replacement.

I still think the PR3 MIL reticle kicks ass and that the glass on the Mark4HDs is great for the money, but, only if Leupold can ever figure out how to get them into a scope one can actually use without having to send back once or more times, and I have zero faith in them.

So, 3 units. 3 duds. Shitty QC. Shitty CS. Caveat emptor.
 
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CK1.0 said:
Leupold fucking suck.

So, for those keeping score, I bought one Mark4HD 8-32x56 PR3 where the turret cap markings didn't line up precisely with the witness mark on its erector housing and which also had sloppy-feeling turrets that I didn't like, AFAIK everything else about it was ok, but those problems were annoying to me since I pretty much had to dial everything twice and count clicks before taking a shot. I ended up selling that one in the PX (at a few hundred dollars loss), and AFAIK the new owner is happy (they did get a like-new mostly great scope at a killer deal after all). That was my first one.

About a month later, I bought another one, same model, 8-32x56 PR3 MIL, only with this one, not only did the turret cap markings not line up with the witness marking on the erector housing (again), but it also didn't track correctly, falling off and out of whack somewhere ~6 MIls on its dial... I probably wouldn't have caught it if I didn't belong to a club that goes out to 1000+ yards and hadn't been shooting the same load/dope for a while. With this one, I decided to send it back to Leupold for repair or replacement and found out the hard way that all the awful stories I'd heard about their CS were true. I had to twist their arm to get them to pay for shipping it in (even though it was defective out of the box) and then I had to wait 4+ weeks for them to test and figure out the scope was defective (like I said it was, they assume the customer is always wrong apparently), and another 3+ weeks for them to finally send me out a brand-new replacement scope. Remember/consider that these are mid-price-point scopes, and if I was a guy who was just starting out in the sport and didn't have access or the funds for another scope, I wouldn't have been able to shoot and the rest of my fancy long-range rifle setup would've been collecting dust for all that time.

I finally got a brand-new-in-the-plastic replacement scope... but at this point, I'd already gone back to running a Razor G3 like I had for 1+ year before deciding to try the Mark 4HD, and decided that I was sick of pulling/mounting scopes and then burning rounds re-zeroing, so I decided to sell it in the PX (at another few hundred dollars loss) rather than take another chance on Leupold.

Well, the new owner got the brand-new scope and already found a defect when taking it out of the box and before mounting it. The reticle is canted in the tube and out of level with the scope body. He said he's going to see whether or not it bothers him and seems to be ok with it (as long as there aren't any more surprises), but that fucking sucks. I won't be surprised in the least if he ends up having to send it in to be made right or to get a replacement.

I still think the PR3 MIL reticle kicks ass and that the glass on the Mark4HDs is great for the money, but, only if Leupold can ever figure out how to get them into a scope one can actually use without having to send back once or more times, and I have zero faith in them.

So, 3 units. 3 duds. Shitty QC. Shitty CS. Caveat emptor.
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This sucks cuz I've been wanting to try a mk4hd for a while now. Not so sure anymore.
 
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