New Applied Ballistics® Quantum™ APP! - & It's Free!

JMGlasgow · Dec 9, 2024

I just got a response back from Vortex about connectivity to the (now discontinued) Fury 5000 AB binoculars. There are no plans to update the firmware to connect to AB Quantum. This is disappointing. I spoke to them when they bought GB concerning continued support for the AB products and was assured they would continue with updates. It sounds like they discontinued the product, and dropped all support completely. I'm far too invested in AB to switch to GeoBallistics. I have the kestrel AB, Fury AB, as well as the mobile app.

DocUSMCRetired · Dec 9, 2024

JaredCO said:
When will we be able to bluetooth the VectorX?

When Vectronix sends us an LOA

DocUSMCRetired · Dec 9, 2024

As a side note, we implemented a ton of reticles just now. Check the other thread if you need to follow along for that: https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...-to-see-added-to-ab-mobile-app.7201293/page-3

Please remember... I cannot add a reticle without the copyright owners permission.

GenericBadGuy · Dec 9, 2024

DocUSMCRetired said:
As a side note, we implemented a ton of reticles just now. Check the other thread if you need to follow along for that: https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...-to-see-added-to-ab-mobile-app.7201293/page-3

Please remember... I cannot add a reticle without the copyright owners permission.

You all have done an amazing job on the new app, I think a lot of us are really thinking about what would make it even more useful for us.

ForgeValley · Dec 10, 2024

Hey @DocUSMCRetired,

Any chance you guys can consider adding manual typed input or +/- buttons to the wind direction control in a future release? The current control is cool but a little fidgety for my fat fingers.

Thx!

R_A_W · Dec 10, 2024

alex2x2 said:
I believe there is an issue with internal engine of the Kestrel.

I know of 3 other people with this conflict. I checked 4dof & it’s off too.

JMGlasgow said:
I spoke to them when they bought GB concerning continued support for the AB products and was assured they would continue with updates.

20 months ago Vortex told me the Fury was likely their last AB product but:

The Fury-HD App and supported products will continue in our line for years to come, and support will continue forever, as part of our VIP Warranty!

I take that to mean the Fury’s will always work with the Vortex app and you won’t have a bricked unit. I do not expect a company to guarantee forward compatibility of their legacy products with 3rd party software… that’s too much a moving target

RubiconJoey · Dec 10, 2024

JMGlasgow said:
I just got a response back from Vortex about connectivity to the (now discontinued) Fury 5000 AB binoculars. There are no plans to update the firmware to connect to AB Quantum. This is disappointing. I spoke to them when they bought GB concerning continued support for the AB products and was assured they would continue with updates. It sounds like they discontinued the product, and dropped all support completely. I'm far too invested in AB to switch to GeoBallistics. I have the kestrel AB, Fury AB, as well as the mobile app.

That is disappointing, I just picked up a pair of Furys. I've been running GB for some time now but was looking to make the switch to AB since GB doesn't connect to any range finding bino.

DocUSMCRetired · Dec 10, 2024

ForgeValley said:
Hey @DocUSMCRetired,

Any chance you guys can consider adding manual typed input or +/- buttons to the wind direction control in a future release? The current control is cool but a little fidgety for my fat fingers.

Thx!

You can already do this. Just tap in the box.

ForgeValley · Dec 10, 2024

DocUSMCRetired said:
You can already do this. Just tap in the box.

With this control? Doesn't work for me at Android build 388.

DocUSMCRetired · Dec 10, 2024

ForgeValley said:
With this control? Doesn't work for me at Android build 388.

View attachment 8565489

See if deleting the app, restarting the phone, and installing again works. Its wind direction.

alex2x2 · Dec 10, 2024

R_A_W said:
I know of 3 other people with this conflict. I checked 4dof & it’s off too.

This is wrong. We need to contact Kestrel so that they can work with AB to resolve this issue and compare the AB app and the weather station.

chutinlead · Dec 10, 2024

DocUSMCRetired said:
Vortex isn't going to be implemented at this time.

Are they just not interested in working with you since it has it's own app? Would it count for the elite unlock if it did get added?

DocUSMCRetired · Dec 10, 2024

chutinlead said:
Are they just not interested in working with you since it has it's own app? Would it count for the elite unlock if it did get added?

I can't really comment on this. Outside of yes, it would unlock elite.

waveslayer · Dec 11, 2024

Hey @docUSany way to clean this up? Give you the option of increments on a reticle like the range card? This is a bit hard to read, cant zoom in enough to even read it. I prefer hold overs, this is messy

Screenshot_20241211_070314_AB Quantum.jpg

DocUSMCRetired · Dec 11, 2024

waveslayer said:
Hey @docUSany way to clean this up? Give you the option of increments on a reticle like the range card? This is a bit hard to read, cant zoom in enough to even read it. I prefer hold overs, this is messy

We are looking into this. I cannot re-create this, are you on version 3.0.9 or newer?

chutinlead · Dec 11, 2024

DocUSMCRetired said:
I can't really comment on this. Outside of yes, it would unlock elite.

Well I'll get on everyone I know to bombard their customer service into making it happen then. Thanks for the clarification.

waveslayer · Dec 11, 2024

I'm on 3.0.10 @DocUSMCRetired

schroed62 · Dec 11, 2024

Where is altitude value displayed?

And this?

_Windrider_ · Dec 11, 2024

schroed62 said:
Where is altitude value displayed?

And this?
View attachment 8566972

Curious, why do you need altitude?

schroed62 · Dec 11, 2024

Just information on how it calculating station pressure. Had issues before with automatic does not match location, because I have no idea where it pulling data from one it easy to compare my Garmin with AB elevation.

_Windrider_ · Dec 11, 2024

schroed62 said:
Just information on how it calculating station pressure.

But station pressure doesn’t correlate to altitude directly. Station pressure is where it thinks it is not where it actually is.

DocUSMCRetired · Dec 12, 2024

Using Zero Height and Zero Offset, and when to use it:

LongCut- · Dec 13, 2024

I found an error in the Zero Height in my version of the app. I just deleted and reinstalled and it is still happening. I tried to set my zero height and, after saving, my solution did not change. When I went back into the profile the Zero Height was still at the default value of 0.00. I have tried this multiple times with multiple profiles and am unable to save any Zero Height i put in. I submitted a ticket to support FYI. Thanks!

alex2x2 · Dec 13, 2024

LongCut- said:
Zero Height

what is Zero Height ? could you please post a screenshot ?

_Windrider_ · Dec 13, 2024

alex2x2 said:
what is Zero Height ? could you please post a screenshot ?

Think of it as the difference between POA and POI

DocUSMCRetired · Dec 13, 2024

LongCut- said:
I found an error in the Zero Height in my version of the app. I just deleted and reinstalled and it is still happening. I tried to set my zero height and, after saving, my solution did not change. When I went back into the profile the Zero Height was still at the default value of 0.00. I have tried this multiple times with multiple profiles and am unable to save any Zero Height i put in. I submitted a ticket to support FYI. Thanks!

We are tracking this and looking to fix it next week. We don't want to push any friday updates.... just incase.

alex2x2 · Dec 13, 2024

My South African long-range shooter friend wrote a letter to the AB team.

Dear AB team

I have been engaged in long-range shooting for many years. Despite the variety of ballistic calculators available, I have always used your product, Applied Ballistics, in its earlier version, which fully met my needs.

I am disappointed with the release of the new version. I represent the collective opinion of a large community of long-range shooters from South Africa

We hold your company in high regard and plan to continue using your software in the future. To enhance your product and better meet the needs of shooters, I would like to offer the following suggestions:

1. Reintroduce the previous version of the program* without changes, and give users the choice between the old and new versions. The previous version had no issues for me, while the new version has numerous shortcomings and lacks improvements.

2. Restore the ability to set the target movement angle*, a critical parameter present in the old version.

3. Allow users to set the gunpowder temperature separately from air temperature.* This was possible in the old version and is crucial. For instance, in weather at -30°C, the air is very cold and dense, but the shooter may be firing from a vehicle where the ammunition is at +20°C.

4. Bring back the ability to input weapon and ammunition parameters using a mix of metric and imperial units.* The old version allowed this. For example, I prefer defining barrel twist in inches, scope height in millimeters, bullet caliber in inches, and bullet length in millimeters. The new version forces users to choose one system.

5. Each time the program is closed, the selected distance resets, and upon reopening, the default distance of 91 meters (100 yards) appears. This requires re-entering the desired data every time. It would be more practical to save the previously selected distance, as was implemented in the earlier version.

6. Improve the main screen layout.
* Currently, atmospheric parameters, which do not change rapidly, take up prime space. For quick access, the main screen should feature:
- Distance
- Wind speed
- Wind direction
- Target angle (inclination )

I am confident that addressing these points will make your software even better and satisfy even the most demanding shooters.

Best regards,

LongCut- · Dec 13, 2024

DocUSMCRetired said:
We are tracking this and looking to fix it next week. We don't want to push any friday updates.... just incase.

Thank you!

DocUSMCRetired · Dec 13, 2024

alex2x2 said:
My South African long-range shooter friend wrote a letter to the AB team.

Dear AB team

I have been engaged in long-range shooting for many years. Despite the variety of ballistic calculators available, I have always used your product, Applied Ballistics, in its earlier version, which fully met my needs.

I am disappointed with the release of the new version. I represent the collective opinion of a large community of long-range shooters from South Africa

We hold your company in high regard and plan to continue using your software in the future. To enhance your product and better meet the needs of shooters, I would like to offer the following suggestions:

1. Reintroduce the previous version of the program* without changes, and give users the choice between the old and new versions. The previous version had no issues for me, while the new version has numerous shortcomings and lacks improvements.

2. Restore the ability to set the target movement angle*, a critical parameter present in the old version.

3. Allow users to set the gunpowder temperature separately from air temperature.* This was possible in the old version and is crucial. For instance, in weather at -30°C, the air is very cold and dense, but the shooter may be firing from a vehicle where the ammunition is at +20°C.

4. Bring back the ability to input weapon and ammunition parameters using a mix of metric and imperial units.* The old version allowed this. For example, I prefer defining barrel twist in inches, scope height in millimeters, bullet caliber in inches, and bullet length in millimeters. The new version forces users to choose one system.

5. Each time the program is closed, the selected distance resets, and upon reopening, the default distance of 91 meters (100 yards) appears. This requires re-entering the desired data every time. It would be more practical to save the previously selected distance, as was implemented in the earlier version.

6. Improve the main screen layout.
* Currently, atmospheric parameters, which do not change rapidly, take up prime space. For quick access, the main screen should feature:
- Distance
- Wind speed
- Wind direction
- Target angle (inclination )

I am confident that addressing these points will make your software even better and satisfy even the most demanding shooters.

Best regards,

1) This is not possible. That app was going to remove from the store because it lacked the ability to handle current and future security and stability updates. It was poorly optimized for todays devices and was going to be removed either way.

2) Target movement angle is already in the app, under the Target Controller.

3) This is also already in the app. You can already do this with the MV-Temp Table.

4) We are looking into how to coordinate this currently. This is on our list for development review.

5) This is also on our development review table currently, we are tracking this.

We appreciate the feedback, and are always happy to hear ideas. We have a major update 3.1.0 coming Monday which includes quality of life improvements.

parshal · Dec 13, 2024

Do you know if the app will import from the Kestrel AB once the ability to connect to them is there? I have to recreate all my profiles for the Leica Geovid Pro so hoping I won't have to do that for the Kestrel. If importing works, I'd just upload all profiles with the Kestrel app and then import with the AB app.

parshal · Dec 13, 2024

Do the target and range cards only show up if you have reticles? I have no reticles set up on my profiles and I never see more than one target. I also never see 'target' or 'range", only app and reticle tabs. I never see the hamburger either just the target in the center lower menu. I assume I'm missing something obvious but I don't see what in the video or manual. I really want to use the target card.

pyrotechnic · Dec 13, 2024

Is the inabilty to read pressure from phone sensors supposed to have been addressed? I've been updating whenever a new version drops and doing the uninstall/reinstall and it still won't pull pressure from my phone.

taliv · Dec 13, 2024

alex2x2 said:
3. Allow users to set the gunpowder temperature separately from air temperature.* This was possible in the old version and is crucial. For instance, in weather at -30°C, the air is very cold and dense, but the shooter may be firing from a vehicle where the ammunition is at +20°C.

DocUSMCRetired said:
3) This is also already in the app. You can already do this with the MV-Temp Table.

How do you address his concern with mv temp table. I thought mv temp table just adjusted how much the mv changes based on ammo temp. But you still have to tell the calc the value of ammo temp when the gun goes bang separately from the exterior air temp

alex2x2 · Dec 13, 2024

DocUSMCRetired said:
1) This is not possible. That app was going to remove from the store because it lacked the ability to handle current and future security and stability updates. It was poorly optimized for todays devices and was going to be removed either way.

Understood. I'll pass them over.

DocUSMCRetired said:
3) This is also already in the app. You can already do this with the MV-Temp Table.

With this version, you can only set the dependence of the MV on the powder temperature. But if the air temperature and the powder temperature differ, as in the example of shooting from the car, then this data cannot be entered quickly. You need to reconfigure the profile so that it shows the solution correctly.

DocUSMCRetired said:
4) We are looking into how to coordinate this currently. This is on our list for development review.

5) This is also on our development review table currently, we are tracking this.

We appreciate the feedback, and are always happy to hear ideas. We have a major update 3.1.0 coming Monday which includes quality of life improvements.

Thank you.

alex2x2 · Dec 13, 2024

DocUSMCRetired said:
Target movement angle is already in the app, under the Target Controller.

I can't find where to set the angle.

alex2x2 · Dec 14, 2024

taliv said:
How do you address his concern with mv temp table. I thought mv temp table just adjusted how much the mv changes based on ammo temp. But you still have to tell the calc the value of ammo temp when the gun goes bang separately from the exterior air temp

This is the feature I ask to add to the new version of AB Quantum (it was in the old version). The ability to separately set the ammo temp separately from the air temp. The ammo temp affects the MV and the air temp affects the bullet drop because the air density is different.

These parameters together affect the Elevation solution.

DocUSMCRetired · Dec 14, 2024

pyrotechnic said:
Is the inabilty to read pressure from phone sensors supposed to have been addressed? I've been updating whenever a new version drops and doing the uninstall/reinstall and it still won't pull pressure from my phone.

Update 3.1.0.

taliv said:
How do you address his concern with mv temp table. I thought mv temp table just adjusted how much the mv changes based on ammo temp. But you still have to tell the calc the value of ammo temp when the gun goes bang separately from the exterior air temp

Technically the first version of the app worked this way as well. So it does the same thing. But now you have 6 inputs to build a bell curve instead of 1 to build a linear change.

alex2x2 said:
Understood. I'll pass them over.

With this version, you can only set the dependence of the MV on the powder temperature. But if the air temperature and the powder temperature differ, as in the example of shooting from the car, then this data cannot be entered quickly. You need to reconfigure the profile so that it shows the solution correctly.

Thank you.

See my answer above.

alex2x2 said:
I can't find where to set the angle.

Blue arrows left and right.

alex2x2 said:
This is the feature I ask to add to the new version of AB Quantum (it was in the old version). The ability to separately set the ammo temp separately from the air temp. The ammo temp affects the MV and the air temp affects the bullet drop because the air density is different.

These parameters together affect the Elevation solution.

See my answer above. Use the MV Temp Table for this.

DocUSMCRetired · Dec 14, 2024

parshal said:
Do the target and range cards only show up if you have reticles? I have no reticles set up on my profiles and I never see more than one target. I also never see 'target' or 'range", only app and reticle tabs. I never see the hamburger either just the target in the center lower menu. I assume I'm missing something obvious but I don't see what in the video or manual. I really want to use the target card.

Make sure your app is up to date. At least version 3.0.9 or newer. Soon will be 3.1.0+ which introduces some new features.

If that doesn't work, it is possible your app corrupted during the update process and needs to be deleted/reinstalled. Always do a phone restart after deleting an app before a reinstall. The update was big, and these things do happen.

alex2x2 · Dec 14, 2024

DocUSMCRetired said:
Blue arrows left and right.

this is only the direction right or left in relation to the shooter. I am talking about the movement of the target, for example, from 4 o'clock in the direction of 10 see attached screenshot

DocUSMCRetired said:
See my answer above. Use the MV Temp Table for this.

I saw your answer. But unfortunately, you can't understand what I mean. I'll try to explain again.

For example. I'm driving in the winter. It's -20 С outside and +20 Сin the car. I see a coyote at 1000 m. I get out of the car, put the rifle on the hood of my pickup and fire. This is a very common situation in North Dakota, Montana.

For example, for a .308 Win at the range 1000 meters, with a powder temp of +20°C, the difference between air temp of +20°C and -20°C is 1.3 MRAD, due to the difference in density between warm and cold air. This is over 1.3 meter difference! Ypu missed the target.

The 1st screenshot shows the solution when the ammo temp is +20 (in the car ) and the air is -20. These are real conditions from my example above.

The 2nd screenshot shows when AB shows the solution when the air and ammo temp are the same.

Therefore, it is crucial to have the ability quickly to set the powder temp separately from the air temperature!

taliv · Dec 14, 2024

DocUSMCRetired said:
Technically the first version of the app worked this way as well. So it does the same thing. But now you have 6 inputs to build a bell curve instead of 1 to build a linear change.

That’s unfortunate. Do they have plans to fix it?

I always assumed that shooter ballistics app accounted for both because you put both DA and temp in, along with temp in the ammo when it was zerod.

So the DA handles the air temp and the “temperature” is the temp of the ammo which changes mv.

DocUSMCRetired · Dec 14, 2024

taliv said:
That’s unfortunate. Do they have plans to fix it?

I always assumed that shooter ballistics app accounted for both because you put both DA and temp in, along with temp in the ammo when it was zerod.

So the DA handles the air temp and the “temperature” is the temp of the ammo which changes mv.

This will likely stay the same. Powder Temp is assumed to be ambient air temp because well... we are not feeding the necessary sensors drilled and placed into the barrel for average shooters to accurately track this. You would need a second temp input that constantly monitor and change shot to shot to be truly accurate as the barrel chamber temp changes constantly depending on what you are doing. The powder will heat up if it sits in the barrel between strings or shots. Or maybe it doesn't because you just loaded fresh from your box. Also not accounting for how quickly the powder is increasing in temp or decreasing as it sits in that chamber. Which of course would be different for different powders, how much you filled the case, how the powder settled as you moved around, cartridge size... and more... Creating a complicated system.

The old app was assuming the MV you recorded was at the Powder Temp you input. The new app can do this as well with the MV Temp Table but instead you get 6 inputs (you should have at least 3 inputs 25deg F apart to use the table properly). So it allows for more of the realistic bell curve (most powder has a sweet spot, and condition where it starts to ramp up or down in potential energy) for more accurate tracking of MV.

It will likely remain the way it is for now. On the MV Temp Table you would input the temp at the time you chronographed (or MV Calcd) and the muzzle velocity that goes with it.

alex2x2 · Dec 14, 2024

DocUSMCRetired said:
It will likely remain the way it is for now. On the MV Temp Table you would input the temp at the time you chronographed (or MV Calcd) and the muzzle velocity that goes with it.

Can you add the ability to turn on/off as it was in the old version of AB?

DocUSMCRetired · Dec 14, 2024

alex2x2 said:
Can you add the ability to turn on/off as it was in the old version of AB?

That ability is already in the app. Their is a little on/off switch in the profile.

Mulepackhunter · Dec 14, 2024

Im sure I will get used to it but I wish I wasnt forced into this update. I really like the way it was. I had it all set and it was clean and simple, now its all cluttered and have to relearn where things are. Is there an old way toggle?

alex2x2 · Dec 14, 2024

DocUSMCRetired said:
That ability is already in the app. Their is a little on/off switch in the profile.

could you please show where this switch is ? I couldn't find it.

Adjusted MV at -20 C is 802 m/s. This works when the ammo and air temps are the same, but doesn't work if they are different.

You have to either create another profile or completely delete the MV temp table.

WaltHer · Dec 14, 2024

Small question relative to some of the others but how do you toggle to the "night mode" or black screen background from the "day mode" white screen background for Android on Ver. 3.0.11? Thanks, sir!

parshal · Dec 15, 2024

DocUSMCRetired said:
Make sure your app is up to date. At least version 3.0.9 or newer. Soon will be 3.1.0+ which introduces some new features.

If that doesn't work, it is possible your app corrupted during the update process and needs to be deleted/reinstalled. Always do a phone restart after deleting an app before a reinstall. The update was big, and these things do happen.

Mine is 3.0.9. I installed fresh never having used the app before.

Bravo6niner · Dec 15, 2024

I have over 40 profiles that didn’t automatically convert over. What a pain to go back and re-enter this data. Super disappointing!!!!!!!!

DocUSMCRetired · Dec 15, 2024

parshal said:
Mine is 3.0.9. I installed fresh never having used the app before.

For you, send this ticket in using the in app Support function so we can take a closer look please.

Bravo6niner said:
I have over 40 profiles that didn’t automatically convert over. What a pain to go back and re-enter this data. Super disappointing!!!!!!!!

If you are on the newest version, check at the bottom of your profiles and see if you have a "recover classic profiles" button. Not everyone will have this, but if you backed them up you might.

TonyC · Dec 15, 2024

Apologies if I’m just not looking hard enough but I can’t find Max Ord anywhere ?

Any plans to incorporate multiple wind zones in later releases ?

Thanks

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