-
Having trouble using the site?
Contact support
It amazes me that people in 2025 still believe this....
- Thread starter LRRPF52
- Start date
It looks like he's having some sort of "issue" before he gets the head shot. He begins leaning forward and Jackie appears to ask him what's wrong and then the head shot. Which BTW is a pretty good shot with the others in such close vicinity and moving.
He had already been shot at least 2 times.
One shot was an entrance to his throat from the front, as described by the Parkland Doctors. Dr. Malcolm Perry had just finished a year of vascular surgery study at UC San Francisco from September of 1962-Sep 1963, having been an MD since 1955. Between all the Parkland ER Doctors, they had seen thousands of gunshot wounds.
The other was a few inches lower than the superior border of his Right scapula in his back, lower than depicted by Gerald Ford’s edit in the WC. The problem with its location is that it didn’t align with the throat injury and the 6th floor window of the TSBD.
The fatal head shot is clearly a frontal bullet splash impact, easily-recognized as such by those of us who have literally watched hundreds of thousands of bullet impacts over the years.
There were huge discrepancies between what the Dallas Parkland ER Doctors saw, vs what the administrative pathologists in Bethesda, Maryland saw.
Dr. McClelland at Parkland said, “My God, the back of his head is gone.” Dr. McClelland stated that there was a 7” diameter exit wound in the back of JFK’s skull, and couldn’t see where the entrance was, likely because it was concealed by the hairline.
Other Parkland Doctors described the giant cavity in the back of his head as well:
I read the 888pg Warren Commission summary when I was pretty young, roughly 40 years ago in the 1980s. We had a teacher who had us go interview family or neighbors who were old enough to remember the assassination, and record their memories of the events. I think we had to find 9 different people for that.
I just assumed the official story was correct and didn’t hear much about it. Back then, if you mentioned any type of controversial opinion on it, you were labeled crazy or a cook. I remember seeing ads in the backs of some magazines talking about it being a conspiracy, but they seemed fringe and icky.
So out of curiosity, I read the WC summary. As soon as I read their conclusions about the 6.5 Carcano, the ballistics, and the ballistics of the .38 SPL revolver, it started to become apparent to me that they were counting on readers to be ignorant of firearms, ammunition, and ballistics.
Their chain of evidence explanation contradicted the details as well. It was more like a heavy volume designed to deter anyone from reading it, the details not mattering much. It felt like waking up to a dystopian police state where the perpetrators were bragging about getting away with the assassination of a US President. I looked up around me within the public library and asked to myself, “Has anyone else read this?"
I just assumed the official story was correct and didn’t hear much about it. Back then, if you mentioned any type of controversial opinion on it, you were labeled crazy or a cook. I remember seeing ads in the backs of some magazines talking about it being a conspiracy, but they seemed fringe and icky.
So out of curiosity, I read the WC summary. As soon as I read their conclusions about the 6.5 Carcano, the ballistics, and the ballistics of the .38 SPL revolver, it started to become apparent to me that they were counting on readers to be ignorant of firearms, ammunition, and ballistics.
Their chain of evidence explanation contradicted the details as well. It was more like a heavy volume designed to deter anyone from reading it, the details not mattering much. It felt like waking up to a dystopian police state where the perpetrators were bragging about getting away with the assassination of a US President. I looked up around me within the public library and asked to myself, “Has anyone else read this?"
This was a Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry broadcast before the events in Dealey Plaza happened, asking for the people to treat the President with respect, promising that every effort would be made to ensure no accident or incident like what happened with Kennedy’s UN Ambassador, Adlai Stevenson the prior month. There was a huge anti-communist movement in the Dallas area and much of Texas, with a large group of protestors letting Adlai know how they felt about the UN.
3 of the Warren Commissioners did not agree with or want to be associated with the Commission after they saw the evidence. LBJ muscled them into staying on and having their signatures on his “blue ribbon panel” investigation.
They were:
Russell :That danged Warren Commission business, it whupped me down so. We got through today. You know what I did? I … got on the plane and came home. I didn’t even have a toothbrush. I didn’t bring a shirt. … Didn’t even have my pills, antihistamine pills to take care of my emphysema.
Johnson : Why did you get in such a rush?
Russell : Well, I was just worn out, fighting over that damned report.
Johnson : Well, you ought to have taken another hour and gone to get your clothes.
Russell : No, no. They were trying to prove that the same bullet that hit Kennedy first was the one that hit Connally, went through him and through his hand, his bone, into his leg and everything else. Just a lot of stuff there. I hadn’t, couldn’t, didn’t hear all the evidence and cross–examine all of them. But I did read the record … I was the only fellow there that … suggested any change whatever in what the staff got up. This staff business always scares me. I like to put my own views down. But we got you a pretty good report.
Johnson : Well, what difference does it make which bullet got Connally?
Russell : Well, it don’t make much difference. But they said that … the commission believes that the same bullet that hit Kennedy hit Connally. Well, I don’t believe it.
Johnson : I don’t either.
Russell : And so I couldn’t sign it. And I said that Governor Connally testified directly to the contrary, and I’m not going to approve of that. So I finally made them say there was a difference in the commission, in that part of them believed that that wasn’t so. And of course if a fellow was accurate enough to hit Kennedy right in the neck on one shot and knock his head off in the next one … and he’s leaning up against his wife’s head … and not even wound her … why, he didn’t miss completely with that third shot. But according to their theory, he not only missed the whole automobile, but he missed the street! Well, a man that’s a good enough shot to put two bullets right into Kennedy, he didn’t miss that whole automobile. … But anyhow, that’s just a little thing, but we …
Johnson : What’s the net of the whole thing? What’s it say? That Oswald did it, and he did it for any reason?
Russell : Well, just that he was a general misanthropic fellow, that he had never been satisfied anywhere he was on earth … in Russia or here. And that he had a desire to get his name in history and all. I don’t think you’ll be displeased with the report. It’s too long, but it’s a … whole volume.
Johnson : Unanimous?
Russell : Yes, sir. I tried my best to get in a dissent, but they’d come round and trade me out of it by giving me a little old thread of it.
They were:
- Senator John Sherman Cooper of Kentucky;
- Congressman Hale Boggs of Louisiana;
- and Senator Richard Russell of Georgia.
Johnson to Russell Phone Call Transcript
18 September, 1964
Russell :That danged Warren Commission business, it whupped me down so. We got through today. You know what I did? I … got on the plane and came home. I didn’t even have a toothbrush. I didn’t bring a shirt. … Didn’t even have my pills, antihistamine pills to take care of my emphysema.
Johnson : Why did you get in such a rush?
Russell : Well, I was just worn out, fighting over that damned report.
Johnson : Well, you ought to have taken another hour and gone to get your clothes.
Russell : No, no. They were trying to prove that the same bullet that hit Kennedy first was the one that hit Connally, went through him and through his hand, his bone, into his leg and everything else. Just a lot of stuff there. I hadn’t, couldn’t, didn’t hear all the evidence and cross–examine all of them. But I did read the record … I was the only fellow there that … suggested any change whatever in what the staff got up. This staff business always scares me. I like to put my own views down. But we got you a pretty good report.
Johnson : Well, what difference does it make which bullet got Connally?
Russell : Well, it don’t make much difference. But they said that … the commission believes that the same bullet that hit Kennedy hit Connally. Well, I don’t believe it.
Johnson : I don’t either.
Russell : And so I couldn’t sign it. And I said that Governor Connally testified directly to the contrary, and I’m not going to approve of that. So I finally made them say there was a difference in the commission, in that part of them believed that that wasn’t so. And of course if a fellow was accurate enough to hit Kennedy right in the neck on one shot and knock his head off in the next one … and he’s leaning up against his wife’s head … and not even wound her … why, he didn’t miss completely with that third shot. But according to their theory, he not only missed the whole automobile, but he missed the street! Well, a man that’s a good enough shot to put two bullets right into Kennedy, he didn’t miss that whole automobile. … But anyhow, that’s just a little thing, but we …
Johnson : What’s the net of the whole thing? What’s it say? That Oswald did it, and he did it for any reason?
Russell : Well, just that he was a general misanthropic fellow, that he had never been satisfied anywhere he was on earth … in Russia or here. And that he had a desire to get his name in history and all. I don’t think you’ll be displeased with the report. It’s too long, but it’s a … whole volume.
Johnson : Unanimous?
Russell : Yes, sir. I tried my best to get in a dissent, but they’d come round and trade me out of it by giving me a little old thread of it.
And then you go down the Oswald rabbit hole....
This guy was surrounded by CIA, FBI, KGB, and Mafia people at every step of his life once he got out of the Marines, then defected to the Soviet Union.
It’s a crazy story where he just comes back to the US without even being detained, starts hanging out with Cuban ex-pats and the retired FBI Chicago Chief, gets involved with a group of Russian emigrés in Dallas, and one of them even helps him get a job with a Defense subcontractor processing TS/SCI photo reels from the U-2 and RF-8 overflights over Cuba, the month of the Cuban Missile Crisis (Oct 1962).
Here are some of Oswald’s pay checks from Jaggars Chiles Stovall, Commission Exhibit 1174:
You’re not allowed to sweep the floors in places like that without restricted badge access-coded clearance, after having undergone a serious background investigation process.
Oswald literally got a job at this place immediately, working as a lithography machine operator.
The guy who helped him get the job was a Russian immigrant named George A. Bouhe, real name Georgi Alexandrovich. He came over in 1924 if I recall. His WC testimony is insane, never really discussed that I’ve seen over the past 4 decades.
This guy was surrounded by CIA, FBI, KGB, and Mafia people at every step of his life once he got out of the Marines, then defected to the Soviet Union.
It’s a crazy story where he just comes back to the US without even being detained, starts hanging out with Cuban ex-pats and the retired FBI Chicago Chief, gets involved with a group of Russian emigrés in Dallas, and one of them even helps him get a job with a Defense subcontractor processing TS/SCI photo reels from the U-2 and RF-8 overflights over Cuba, the month of the Cuban Missile Crisis (Oct 1962).
Here are some of Oswald’s pay checks from Jaggars Chiles Stovall, Commission Exhibit 1174:
You’re not allowed to sweep the floors in places like that without restricted badge access-coded clearance, after having undergone a serious background investigation process.
Oswald literally got a job at this place immediately, working as a lithography machine operator.
The guy who helped him get the job was a Russian immigrant named George A. Bouhe, real name Georgi Alexandrovich. He came over in 1924 if I recall. His WC testimony is insane, never really discussed that I’ve seen over the past 4 decades.
J-state did it because JFK was about to bomb the reactor at Dimona to prevent a Nuclear Middle East.
www.wilsoncenter.org
Kennedy, Dimona and the Nuclear Proliferation Problem: 1961-1962
Concerned About Nuclear Weapons Potential, John F. Kennedy Pushed for Inspection of Israel Nuclear Facilities. Atomic Energy Commission Inspectors Gave Dimona a Clean Bill of Health – Twice – after Deliberately Truncated Tours, but U.S. Intelligence Remained Suspicious. International Atomic...
the warren commission report has all the credibility of the steele dossier.
I remember watching a documentary where they went an got a Carcano, ammunition from the same lot, built gel torso dummies and recreated the shots. Part of the problem withy the "magic bullet" was that the rear seat was higher in that car than a regular car. When the drawings are corrected for the real seats the bullet has a straight path.
A guy with a history of working in Intel, lying? Really?So you think Kash is lying? Interesting
I posted it for just that type of criticism.
Many entities had motive to assassinate JFK.J-state did it because JFK was about to bomb the reactor at Dimona to prevent a Nuclear Middle East.
Kennedy, Dimona and the Nuclear Proliferation Problem: 1961-1962
Concerned About Nuclear Weapons Potential, John F. Kennedy Pushed for Inspection of Israel Nuclear Facilities. Atomic Energy Commission Inspectors Gave Dimona a Clean Bill of Health – Twice – after Deliberately Truncated Tours, but U.S. Intelligence Remained Suspicious. International Atomic...
After the National Crime Syndicate helped rig the 1960 election in his favor with ballot harvesting, ballot stuffing, and fake/dead voter registration schemes, he was supposed to get Robert F. Kennedy off their backs. Bobby had been hellbent on prosecuting and humiliating Italian and Sicilian Mafia figures as part of the Senate’s Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations in the late 1950s, after he had been an assistant to Senator Joseph McCarthy.
Part of the deal between Joseph P. Kennedy and the Mafia was if they helped get Jack into the WH in 1960, Bobby would be put on a leash. As soon as the JFK brothers got into the WH, Jack made Bobby the AG, and he went even harder after the Mafia. It’s funny because Papa Joe was a major financier for the Irish Mobsters and booze lobby, who married into the Fitzgerald clan.
The Cuban ex-pats wanted JFK dead because they were told by their CIA trainers/suppliers that JFK called off the air support out of Nicaragua, even though he actually signed-off on it. It seems the CIA and Joint Chiefs of Staff set the Bay of Pigs operation up for failure, in order to trigger Kennedy into escalating into a more overt military invasion, which he of course didn’t bite on. He instead fired DCI Allen Dulles and Deputy Director Charles Cabell.
So elements within the CIA and Joint Chiefs absolutely hated JFK and saw him as a legitimate National Security threat.
Then you had the Dallas anti-communist movement, who genuinely believed JFK was a communist. After General Walker was involuntarily committed to a mental institution and psychologically assessed per RFK’s orders, but was released due to major civil rights violations, you can’t blame them. General Walker was in tight with the John Birch Society and had made JBS literature available to his troops in West Germany, leading to him being fired.
Then there was the whole thing with Castro. The Kennedy brothers had ordered the CIA to use the Mafia to assassinate Castro. The Mafia hitmen/leadership who were asked by the Agency to engage in this effort were also under constant surveillance by the FBI, so they felt like another double-cross was playing out before them.
The thwarted assassination plots in Miami and Chicago involved Cuban shooters with USMC patsies who were gun enthusiasts. An anonymous caller going by the name of “Lee” tipped of the Secret Service about the Chicago plot, so Kennedy cancelled his planned visit to Chicago and some of the parties were arrested. Cleaning lady found maps, radios, and rifles in the hotel room used by the Cuban shooters.
Seems like the Israelis would be competing with room behind the picket fence and Dal-Tex bldg, and would prefer to double-glove any type of kinetic involvement, assuming they did get involved. A lot of the Mafia accountants, lawyers, and some of the bosses were Russian Jews.
I'm thought he was the MAGA appointment everyone thought was going to ride in a fix the FBI? So just more lies and bullshit?A guy with a history of working in Intel, lying? Really?
It really is something to see Maga admit that they don’t believe a fucking word any of these MAGA fucks are saying.
I’ll say one thing for a few minutes MAGA people sucked me in. I actually believed some of the shit MAGA was laying down.
He's making up Fake BS in the moment- right off the top of his 60 IQ, Elite Human Capital, Adderall fueled brain.
He's never had clearance + a need to know for the Kennedy files... and it's the 28 PAGES, not "the seven pages."
Look at his face. He's just fabricating.
OT: The primary mission for all the MAGA appointees is to fold down our institutions to allow our adversaries space and comfort to stand up.
The proposed lead for each department, agency, or bureau is supposed to burn it down... or at least throw it into dysfunction.
Our enemies consider this approach more effective than bombing every single organization in the United States Government and triggering retaliation.
A lot of the made-for-TV “documentaries” about the shots were done by CBS.
They couldn’t have obtained ammunition from the same lot, because it was special ammunition made by Western Cartridge Company in 1954 for a CIA contract. The spent cases left on the SE window of the 6th floor were from Lot 6000 (the first of 4 lots made by WCC). They were unique in that the Lot codes were on the case head stamps, which is unusual. Most of the time, lot codes are printed on the boxes and plant codes or manufacturer brands and caliber and stamped on the head.
It’s odd that someone chose that ammo or spent cases to leave on the 6th floor. Western Cartridge never made 6.5x52mm before or since those 4 CIA lots in 1954. Anyone who seriously collects 6.5 Carcanos knows some of the history of the Italian ammo, and subsequent European ammo sources, but very few people have ever seen WCC 6.5x52mm.
The other interesting thing about that ammunition is that they used very low antimony content in the lead. This means the Round-Nosed FMJs actually behave like soft points when impacting tissue and bone. The Edgewood Arsenal was tasked by the WC with conducting ballistics tests, which is where this composition of the projectiles was discovered.
Any time they shot through goat chests and human cadavers, the bullets fragmented and mushroomed like a Remington For-Lokt. They were very soft bullets. They did impressive testing with that ammunition, goats, human arms/wrists, chests, and skulls encases in ballistics gel.
They could never get a bullet to look like CE399 when it impacted bone and flesh, thereby proving the Single Bullet Theory was invalid. What did they do? Have one of the more junior veterinarians/ballisticians testify to a scripted conclusion that supported the SBT. This is one of the main things that damns the Warren Commission conclusions.
But it gets worse. CE399 isn’t even the bullet recovered from Parkland Hospital’s elevator lobby.
The Warren Commission incorrectly stated (and contradicted their own witness testimony) that CE399 was found on Governor Connally’s stretcher. Building engineer Darrell Tomlinson said he found a bullet when he pushed one of the stretchers up against the wall in the lobby, and head something hit the floor.
He got the attention of Chief of Personnel, O.P. Wright, who actually picked it up and handed it to a Secret Service agent. When the FBI followed-up with Tomlinson and Wright, they showed them CE399.
“Do you recognize this bullet as the one you saw that day?"
Wright: “No, the bullet I picked up was a Spitzer, or pointed nose bullet."
Tomlinson: “No, that doesn’t look like the bullet I found."
There’s a declassified FBI Memo after that entitled, “We have a bullet problem. Witnesses can’t ID bullet."
Tomlinson was questioned by Arlen Specter for his WC testimony, where he refused to establish that the stretcher was Connally’s, and that he didn’t see it fall from that stretcher either, only that he heard something hit the floor when he pushed the stretcher against the wall right next to another stretcher in the lobby.
O.P. Wright was not called to testify before the Commission of course. He was a retired police officer as well, and knew the difference between a RNFMJ and a Spitzer.
We literally don’t know where CE399 even came from. It does not match the bullet found in the elevator lobby per both witnesses’ description and testimony to the FBI.
Actor and JKF historian Richard Belzer (RIP) once said that it was easier to count the people who did NOT want JFK dead.
Then really look at the exploding head scene. The best explanation for that came from a convicted felon, James Files (Files is not his real name.) He was connected to the mafia in Chicago. The CIA ordered the hit and subbed it to the mafia. Originally, the CIA wanted this done in Chicago but the mafia did not want this in their relative "back yard."
So, Dallas was chosen. There was a shooter in the book depository. There was a shooter in the Dal-Tex building, a few in the Records Building.
According to James Files in his interviews and in his book, there was also a backup shooter on the train tracks.
And James was a backup shooter. He is the figure on the grassy knoll behind the fence in a jacket that vaguely looks like a uniform. His CIA handler was the same one who handled LHO.
His mafia boss said the shot had to come from behind but regardless, JFK was not to leave the plaza alive. From Files' vantage point there was a sign that points the turn to I-30 (RL Thornton Freeway.) If the limo got past that sign, Jackie would have been in his line of fire and that was not acceptable. She was not part of the contract.
So, Files took his shot. It was a Remington Fireball with a frangible round loaded for him by a friend who did many of his handloads. That's the shot blasts pinkish gray matter all over Jackie, the trunk lid of the limo.
Also, once the government got ahold of the video, they "normalized" it so that you don't see how it came to nearly a complete stop before the road sign and the exploding skull.
Also, in some other pics from the day, you will see standing next to the door and exterior ladder of the Dal-Tex building a guy with a haircut and a habit of keeping his hand balled up on a fist in pocket who looks a lot like George H. W. Bush, who would later become director of the CIA.
Also, later, footage would come out of a large part of the SS detail is peeled off the limo as they make the turn.
Or, as I like to say, the only people that believe the WC report don't know anything about ballistics or have never fired a weapon.
Any number of videos are around that show bullet deformation in ballistic gel. Let alone muscle tissue, bone, car seats, clothing. So, the pristine bullet on the gurney was just stupid.
Also, the first cop chasing LHO in the depository reported seeing a Mauser.
I think LHO knew of the plan but was not set up as a "shooter." Only after the event does he claim that he is a patsy.
Then really look at the exploding head scene. The best explanation for that came from a convicted felon, James Files (Files is not his real name.) He was connected to the mafia in Chicago. The CIA ordered the hit and subbed it to the mafia. Originally, the CIA wanted this done in Chicago but the mafia did not want this in their relative "back yard."
So, Dallas was chosen. There was a shooter in the book depository. There was a shooter in the Dal-Tex building, a few in the Records Building.
According to James Files in his interviews and in his book, there was also a backup shooter on the train tracks.
And James was a backup shooter. He is the figure on the grassy knoll behind the fence in a jacket that vaguely looks like a uniform. His CIA handler was the same one who handled LHO.
His mafia boss said the shot had to come from behind but regardless, JFK was not to leave the plaza alive. From Files' vantage point there was a sign that points the turn to I-30 (RL Thornton Freeway.) If the limo got past that sign, Jackie would have been in his line of fire and that was not acceptable. She was not part of the contract.
So, Files took his shot. It was a Remington Fireball with a frangible round loaded for him by a friend who did many of his handloads. That's the shot blasts pinkish gray matter all over Jackie, the trunk lid of the limo.
Also, once the government got ahold of the video, they "normalized" it so that you don't see how it came to nearly a complete stop before the road sign and the exploding skull.
Also, in some other pics from the day, you will see standing next to the door and exterior ladder of the Dal-Tex building a guy with a haircut and a habit of keeping his hand balled up on a fist in pocket who looks a lot like George H. W. Bush, who would later become director of the CIA.
Also, later, footage would come out of a large part of the SS detail is peeled off the limo as they make the turn.
Or, as I like to say, the only people that believe the WC report don't know anything about ballistics or have never fired a weapon.
Any number of videos are around that show bullet deformation in ballistic gel. Let alone muscle tissue, bone, car seats, clothing. So, the pristine bullet on the gurney was just stupid.
Also, the first cop chasing LHO in the depository reported seeing a Mauser.
I think LHO knew of the plan but was not set up as a "shooter." Only after the event does he claim that he is a patsy.
Our adversaries have had generations of high-level moles in the Bureau and CIA.
Bureau was compromised out of the gate by organized crime, many of whom were Russian Jews (Meyer Lansky).
CIA was stuffed at the gills with NKVD doubles from the OSS days.
Why would they want to ruin their multi-generational ability to read and write our secret mail, where they have enjoyed influencing the PDB?
Remember that Trump doesn’t trust the CIA and relied on hybrid military and private sector intelligence for a better and more reliable set of sources than the compromised Langley/Russian traitors. Carter’s DCI was Admiral Stansfield Turner, who was literally recruited into the Agency by one of the 1940s-era NKVD doubles already working in Langley. It’s a very interesting story hardly anyone has heard.
You start to see how easy it was for illegals and Soviet assets to run circles around US counter-intelligence.
They had control already from the top, so it didn’t matter what actual guys in the field did.
They were embedded throughout the Intel and DoD establishment already.
Makes me wonder what was really going on with the Dallas Russians, Marina Oswald, Ruth Paine, Michael Paine, the FBI, Ruth’s sister Sylvia Hoke, her BIL John Hoke, George de Mohrenschildt, George Alexandrovich Bouhe, and Jacob Rubenstein (Jack Ruby).
Bouhe said the Dallas Russian immigrants all saw Marina as a really polished intelligentsia class from Russia, nothing like the common people most of them were. Her language, mannerisms, and education level were all in a different class than them and they knew it.
I’ve never seen any assassination researchers reference Bouhe. His testimony for the WC is very interesting and contains many red flags.
They had control already from the top, so it didn’t matter what actual guys in the field did.
They were embedded throughout the Intel and DoD establishment already.
Makes me wonder what was really going on with the Dallas Russians, Marina Oswald, Ruth Paine, Michael Paine, the FBI, Ruth’s sister Sylvia Hoke, her BIL John Hoke, George de Mohrenschildt, George Alexandrovich Bouhe, and Jacob Rubenstein (Jack Ruby).
Bouhe said the Dallas Russian immigrants all saw Marina as a really polished intelligentsia class from Russia, nothing like the common people most of them were. Her language, mannerisms, and education level were all in a different class than them and they knew it.
I’ve never seen any assassination researchers reference Bouhe. His testimony for the WC is very interesting and contains many red flags.
True.
No, I don't think the Mafia operates the FBI. The FBI does operate organized crime though from time to time, and there are lots of examples- Look at Whitey Bulger and the Winter Hill Gang having a free pass to murder anyone they wanted... or the DEA favoring the Sinaloa Cartel over los Zetas, CJNG, Gulf Cartel, etc.
Not "to the gills," and CIA does one thing right that DIA and DoD do not- they treat all foreigners as foreigners... no Five Eyes (FVEY) bullshit or AUKUS or "You can tell S. Korea, but please don't tell Japan" foolishness.
Trump doesn't trust the CIA, and neither the CIA nor anyone else trusts Trump. Trump trades real intel at Mar a Lago for fake intel from his handlers, along with their instructions to act. So, yeah... different version of "hybrid military and private sector intelligence for a better and more reliable set of sources."
Listen to his words. I don't think that he is denying anything. He said that the information is there. He never said that LHO did it or didn't. LHO may have been in that window taking shots but his rounds probably hit the grassy knoll or somewhere else. What he doesn't want to reveal is how LHO was groomed and the rest of the collusion.So you think Kash is lying? Interesting
I posted it for just that type of criticism.
She's actually still alive- just a little older than Trump, at 83.
Someone could go ask her.
I’ve been to Dealey Plaza a couple of times. For one hitter it’s still a turkey shoot. Multiple hitters it would be even easier. It’s a small area with a broad kill zone.
P
P
interesting assessments. the take on the ammo is new to me. didn't know WCC didn't make 6.5x52. knew they made x54 & x55 cause my father had some of each. started doubting when i got to know the carcano carbine. didn't think the claimed was likely with that weapon. i read somewhere that Hathcock couldn't duplicate it-don't have any confirmation of that. i did know a cuban who had a very long,strange history of how he got into the country saying that Castro had it done. no way to confirm his story. the Jack Ruby story just blows the whole WC into fantasy.
clip of Kash playing dodge ball makes me worry that MAGA is not gonna do what we were told to expect. latelt i have sorta thought that it was a Dulles revenge plot. the very questionable recent autopsy result hiding gives the WC findings unbelievable.
clip of Kash playing dodge ball makes me worry that MAGA is not gonna do what we were told to expect. latelt i have sorta thought that it was a Dulles revenge plot. the very questionable recent autopsy result hiding gives the WC findings unbelievable.
...and in what world, would a lawyer from Garden City named Kashyap Pramod Vinod Patel, serve less than two years in IC roles that he was inexplicably thrust into, and gain access to the Kennedy files with Clearance + a Need to Know?
OR, maybe it's possible that they put him in a rubber room and told him to go color... and he instead snuck into the Super Secret Records Warehouse and just started asking for access to random crap about the JFK assassination or 9/11?
And maybe the custodian of those records, in the Super Secret Records Warehouse, doesn't know how to handle records... so he made a mistake and showed him?
Lots of maybe...
Also though- we know from his resume that he is full of shit, so probably bullshitting here too.
The old Mafia literally started the Bureau of Investigation in 1908 through Charles Joseph Bonaparte to spy on and compromise members of Congress using spies so they could blackmail them. Then they put in a compromised semi-closeted homosexual named J.Edgar Hoover as Director in 1924, who denied the Mafia even existed for decades. It wasn’t until the Appalachin bust in 1957 where the regional crime bosses from around the whole US were gathered for their annual meeting, that the gig was up. Hoover worked hard to hide that up until then.
If you have any doubts about the Bureau, look at the last names of all the SACs and ASACs. Same with ATF, which came from the Mafia’s ATU/ATTU to squeeze out little guy entrants into the bosses’ territories. Basically racketeers with badges and get-out-of-jail-free cards.
During the War, OSS recruited Mafia hitmen to employ their skill sets on Jedburg Teams taking out Nazi HVTs in occupied Europe, because they had already been traveling to-and-from Europe after hits.
They usually brought in out-of-town associates who had a target packet, they did the hit, grabbed bags/suitcases of liquid assets to be taken to Europe on the cruise lines, laid low for a while, made deposits and couriered messages to European branches, then returned to different sea ports after the murders were thoroughly cold-cased.
This was perfect for the OSS because guys knew the AOs, spoke the languages, and had proven wet works skills, not gay Army peacetime tactics taught by junior NCOs based on what they read or were told.
Once Langley was formed in 1947, those guys were OGs already. Now they had get-out-of-jail-free cards with Air Branch and Maritime Branch and their contracted fronts to smuggle for the families.
I used to smirk at the comments from guys like Sam Giancann when he said the CIA and Mafia were the same thing, but now we can see that was at least true in the above respect. Leadership was still from Yale academics and connected families. They still recruit from DoD and the Ivy League, but there was a period where enough Mafia influence established itself within the OSS and Agency to be important parts of its operations, especially around the time of JFK’s assassination.
I’m not making any conclusions, just laying down the landscape.
If you have any doubts about the Bureau, look at the last names of all the SACs and ASACs. Same with ATF, which came from the Mafia’s ATU/ATTU to squeeze out little guy entrants into the bosses’ territories. Basically racketeers with badges and get-out-of-jail-free cards.
During the War, OSS recruited Mafia hitmen to employ their skill sets on Jedburg Teams taking out Nazi HVTs in occupied Europe, because they had already been traveling to-and-from Europe after hits.
They usually brought in out-of-town associates who had a target packet, they did the hit, grabbed bags/suitcases of liquid assets to be taken to Europe on the cruise lines, laid low for a while, made deposits and couriered messages to European branches, then returned to different sea ports after the murders were thoroughly cold-cased.
This was perfect for the OSS because guys knew the AOs, spoke the languages, and had proven wet works skills, not gay Army peacetime tactics taught by junior NCOs based on what they read or were told.
Once Langley was formed in 1947, those guys were OGs already. Now they had get-out-of-jail-free cards with Air Branch and Maritime Branch and their contracted fronts to smuggle for the families.
I used to smirk at the comments from guys like Sam Giancann when he said the CIA and Mafia were the same thing, but now we can see that was at least true in the above respect. Leadership was still from Yale academics and connected families. They still recruit from DoD and the Ivy League, but there was a period where enough Mafia influence established itself within the OSS and Agency to be important parts of its operations, especially around the time of JFK’s assassination.
I’m not making any conclusions, just laying down the landscape.
Oswald never touched a trigger. Minutes before the shots, he was on the second floor asking Geraldine Reid for change because he wanted to purchase a soda. They both heard shots and didn't make a connection. Geraldine later saw Oswald casually leaving the building with his coat draped over his arm and said she thought the president had been shot. Oswald seemed surprised and replied Oh. She was interviewed by the WC, but her entire testimony was suppressed.
Hathcock made the 6th floor shot sequence into a fun end-of-course challenge at Quantico to see if students could pull it off, because neither he nor any of the Scout Sniper instructors could do it.
The whole 6th floor thing seems like a distraction anyway. Multiple witnesses saw Oswald in the 2nd floor break room, including Dallas Motorcycle cop Marrion Baker. It took Baker 15 seconds to get from the street to the TSBD entrance after he ditched his motorcycle. Then a number of seconds more before he saw Oswald in the 2nd floor break room.
For rear aspect shots, the Dal-Tex Building is perfect. No need to traverse and the target stays in your sight picture as he proceeds down the hill on Elm. You can make repeated shots if necessary from the Dal-Tex bldg.
Fenceline is the insurance shot control measure. The whole thing reminds me of the OSS culmination exercises described by Aaron Banks in his book. Well-defined kill zone, lots of supporting actors, signalers, Command & Control, diversions, distractions, hand-offs, and getaways/E&E routes.
That's my take as well.
I always say- I don't know the Carcano, but I could make that shot with an M1 Carbine, an MP5, or of course a regular M4:
Hathcock must have been a poor shot then. Not Castro, and no reason to protect Cuba from consequences, but JFK was absolutely ready to do with the J-state what would later happen to the Islamic State. LHO was a patsy, and Rubenstein killed him "to prove that Jews were not wimps" in his own words.
Jack Rubenstein was also completely insane, and might have been in MKUltra:
Stories of Ruby's eccentric and unstable behavior describe him as sometimes taking his shirt or other clothes off in social gatherings, and either hitting his chest like a gorilla or rolling around on the floor. During conversations, he could change the topic suddenly in mid-sentence. He sometimes welcomed a guest to his club, but on other nights he would forbid the same guest from entering. He was described by those who knew him as "a kook", "totally unpredictable", "a psycho", and "suffering from some form of disturbance"
TSBD employee Carolyn Arnold also stated she saw Oswald on the 1st floor before the shootings. Oswald said he had eaten lunch on the 1st floor, then went up to the 2nd floor to buy a Coke.
DPD Officer Marrion Baker saw Oswald on the 2nd floor within no more than 97 seconds after the shooting, possibly much sooner.
Interesting- although I thought about it before (MKUltra), I never did any digging on this angle.
I think they broke his brain with drugs:
www.jfk.org
Also interesting that in his wacky psychological condition, he was specifically worried about who they were going to pin the blame on... and when he feared "widespread massacre of Jews," was he actually thinking about Holocaust-style, or about JFK about to get things ON AND POPPIN in the J-state?
I think they broke his brain with drugs:
T25 Report of Psychiatric Examination of Jack Ruby by Dr. Louis Jolyon West
Report of Psychiatric Examination of Jack Ruby by Louis Jolyon West, M.D., Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Oklahoma School of Medicine in Oklahoma City, dated Sunday, April 26, 1964. The report discusses Dr. West's psychiatric examination of Ruby, conducted the day after Ruby attempted suicide by banging his head on the walls of his jail cell. Dr. West describes Ruby's delusions that outside his jail cell is a widespread massacre of the Jewish people, caused by the fact that the nation now blames Ruby for the Kennedy assassination. Ruby distrusts the doctor since he denies that these massacres are happening. Dr. West concludes with a diagnosis of acute psychosis, a paranoid state, and suicidal tendencies.
T25 Report of Psychiatric Examination of Jack Ruby by Dr. Louis Jolyon West | The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza
Report of Psychiatric Examination of Jack Ruby by Louis Jolyon West, M.D., Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Oklahoma School of Medicine in Oklahoma City, dated Sunday, April 26, …
www.jfk.org
Also interesting that in his wacky psychological condition, he was specifically worried about who they were going to pin the blame on... and when he feared "widespread massacre of Jews," was he actually thinking about Holocaust-style, or about JFK about to get things ON AND POPPIN in the J-state?
For everyone that thinks "it’s an easy shot" to make, the biggest assumption is shooting a static target once.
Now consider the fact that it’s a partially-exposed moving target and using a cumbersome Carcano action to rapid bolt-manipulate and re-acquire sight picture through a cheap scope with tiny exit pupil.
How many people have actually shot partial-exposed movers with a bolt gun like that?
If the vast majority of claims are true, you need to start showing up to matches and clean everyone else’s clocks.
When the US Army and FBI went to confirm zero on the Carcano (CE139), it was about 4-5” right and 5-8” high on paper consistently. You can see the groups they shot. They also couldn’t zero it and had to have shims installed.
The Warren Commission said this helped Oswald because it acted like a pre-programmed ballistics lead-computing system. Time of Flight at that short distance doesn’t make a difference, so they are of course grossly in-error once again.
Now consider the fact that it’s a partially-exposed moving target and using a cumbersome Carcano action to rapid bolt-manipulate and re-acquire sight picture through a cheap scope with tiny exit pupil.
How many people have actually shot partial-exposed movers with a bolt gun like that?
If the vast majority of claims are true, you need to start showing up to matches and clean everyone else’s clocks.
When the US Army and FBI went to confirm zero on the Carcano (CE139), it was about 4-5” right and 5-8” high on paper consistently. You can see the groups they shot. They also couldn’t zero it and had to have shims installed.
The Warren Commission said this helped Oswald because it acted like a pre-programmed ballistics lead-computing system. Time of Flight at that short distance doesn’t make a difference, so they are of course grossly in-error once again.
Jack Ruby was brought in from Chicago to run the mob’s night clubs in Dallas. His sister had already been doing it prior to him arriving and his brother was an informant for the Bureau of Narcotics.
In the 2017 document dump ordered by Trump, we finally learned that eye witnesses had seen Oswald and Ruby together at the airport in Key West Florida, before Oswald boarded a plane to go pick sugar canes in Cuba. Ruby kept discussing something that “Big Bird” wanted done.
The Warren Commission made sure that any connections between Ruby and Oswald were not included in the report for some reason. Ruby also lived very close to where the J.D. Tippit murder happened.
In the 2017 document dump ordered by Trump, we finally learned that eye witnesses had seen Oswald and Ruby together at the airport in Key West Florida, before Oswald boarded a plane to go pick sugar canes in Cuba. Ruby kept discussing something that “Big Bird” wanted done.
The Warren Commission made sure that any connections between Ruby and Oswald were not included in the report for some reason. Ruby also lived very close to where the J.D. Tippit murder happened.
I don't think Oswald was the shooter and I don't think the Magic Bullet Theory is real.
I don't think it was impossible either to get those hits in.
Does the "L" mount block the irons? If you drop the rifle and run, is it a really good mount that would hold zero?
Do you guys realize that he also used the same Carcano to shoot at another guy, and missed by half a window-width? How far was that shot?
Marina Oswald testified that Lee told her on April 10, 1963, that he had used the rifle earlier that night in an attempt to assassinate retired U.S. Army General Edwin Walker, a controversial political activist, at Walker's home in Dallas.[16] The bullet was deflected from hitting Walker when it struck a window frame. Oswald escaped, hiding the rifle and retrieving it a day or two later.
Again, I don't think LHO was the killer... but to rule it out as an impossible shot first begins with saying that the rifle is not capable. It is though.
exactly. Oswald may have been a patsy,knowing or not,and a nut bag. he was NOT an experienced,trained combat shooter. he was not shooting at paper or a hog. he was shooting at the pres of the US in a situation that one could call stressful with gear that was poor quality as above. this kalashnikev may consider himself a real rifle stud but i bet that his skill level is somewhat lower than that of Carlos Hathcock. ie if the story i heard of his not being able to do it is true. if he is are that good then professional match shooting should be in his future. most of those calling the shot in that situation "easy" are passing bean breeze. what is likely about other shooters is that they were stone cold pros.
Will all the evidence ever be released to the public? I doubt it , and if it does get released it won't be in our lifetime or until everyone who actually knows or was involved is deceased. Too much stuff doesn't add up, mostly ( IMO) everything with shots, gun, ammo , angles, impact/exit wounds, etc.
It's been duplicated numerous times throughout the years.
11 different Randy Rando guys did it for CBS back in 1967.
One old timer slam-tagged that tombstone 3 times in 5 seconds. A few more got two hits. None of them owned Carcanos, like Oswald did... and probably none of them had conducted previous assassination attempts using Carcanos, like Oswald did.
Here is the video, it's only a couple minutes long:
Match shooting is a thing-that-I-do though. Maybe it's not "professional" like I get paid... but I think I look very professional when I do it.
I'd get that money shot though, at 11 MPH moving almost straight-away, with a 4x optic- believe that, homey.
I’ve seen civilians pull off way harder shots. This was 266’+/- at the farthest with the target moving away at a slight angle. My 12yo niece shot a deer on the run at 200yd and dropped it a few weeks ago. All that took was a little 4H and luck.
Here's another guy who shoots better than Carlos Hathcock:
"the target was moving away at 9mph at a distance between 60 and 90 yards, it was hit three times in three shots in 5 to 9 seconds. Because the silhouette was suspended from a wire and moving, a light, gusty wind caused it slightly bounce and swing from side to side which made it more difficult to hit than expected."
https://www.sctonline.net/local-news-front-page-slideshow/morgan-recreates-kennedy-assassination
Was Hathcock using a Carcano, and did the Marines accurately replicate the conditions?
Do they even have the right targets? I know their targets are like... as big as an entire sheet of plywood.
"the target was moving away at 9mph at a distance between 60 and 90 yards, it was hit three times in three shots in 5 to 9 seconds. Because the silhouette was suspended from a wire and moving, a light, gusty wind caused it slightly bounce and swing from side to side which made it more difficult to hit than expected."
https://www.sctonline.net/local-news-front-page-slideshow/morgan-recreates-kennedy-assassination
Was Hathcock using a Carcano, and did the Marines accurately replicate the conditions?
Do they even have the right targets? I know their targets are like... as big as an entire sheet of plywood.
Similar threads
