Tariffs and ammo prices?

Just be patient, the tariffs won't last long. At least not with Canada.
I hope that's not the case. I want Canadians sucking each other's dick for an oz of maple syrup before it's all over. Then they can learn where they really are in the pecking order, and start acting like it.
 
I'm amazed that every time Trump does something that all the experts say is bad, people are sure he has some master plan that will work out his way. This trade war will cause real damage and I'm not talking ammo prices. Talking gas prices, layoffs and maybe trigger a recession. Problem with being a bully is eventually you unite everyone against you.

Stock market crash in 4, 3, 2, 1....
Sorry your girl lost. You should move to cuba with the dyke from HBO.
 
Making bullets requires Antimony, a metal we mostly get from China.
And where did we get it before we got it from China? Every fucking rare earth and commodity metal we need is sitting in the ground here in the US. The only reason we don't mine it is economics and environmental. You should go back to watching CNBC with the other dementia geriatrics.
 
I hope that's not the case. I want Canadians sucking each other's dick for an oz of maple syrup before it's all over. Then they can learn where they really are in the pecking order, and start acting like it.

Oh my....show us on this doll where the big, bad Canadian touched you and made you feel....'uncomfortable'. 🤣
 
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And where did we get it before we got it from China? Every fucking rare earth and commodity metal we need is sitting in the ground here in the US. The only reason we don't mine it is economics and environmental. You should go back to watching CNBC with the other dementia geriatrics.
A Stan has a lot too. Obama and Biden gave that to Chyna
 
And where did we get it before we got it from China? Every fucking rare earth and commodity metal we need is sitting in the ground here in the US. The only reason we don't mine it is economics and environmental. You should go back to watching CNBC with the other dementia geriatrics.
that is a really great and obvious point. were did we get stuff in 30s,40s,50s,60s,70s? just thinking about lg quantity raw materials rubber was the only one in decades past,prob others. but the point is we really were able to do most things we needed here. foreign trade was done for all kinds of things but we didn't suffer these huge trade imbalances that hurt the economy over all. we went from dead in the water to producing the biggest military in history in the 40s without buying everything from China. the original source of gov $ was tariffs. so,using them isn't gonna destroy the economy. gov income doesn't need to be what it is. the waste by gov is where most of our $s go.
 
Not my people, I'm Republican. Just saying it wasn't all roses and by your logic, if he can't control the outcome even when he was president, what guarantees his success this time?
All I'm saying is that he is taking a big gamble and we will pay the price if it fails. Maybe worth it, maybe not, only time will tell.
You're not an, old man with a gun, you're an old man with a pussy.
You're a fucking clown
 
The tariffs will definately stimulate domestic US production of anything, crude oil, refined oil, steel. ammunition components, etc......but that takes time. Trump's strategy has several issues wrapped within the tariff initiation.....to include the fentanyl/illegals, balance of trade, stimulate domestic production( must also ease domestic permitting because of "ecological" constraints). Time to move domestic production of ammunition components, drug precursor ingredients, etc, etc......cant fight a war relying on your enemy for ammunition or medical supplies. Trump keeps utilizing the McKinley model of no income tax, tariffs paying for Govt. Yes, some pain getting there, but Trump's strategy is clear, a self sufficient USA, minimize income tax, major crime reduction as "domestic tranquility" is restored by eliminating illegals.....tariffs are a necessary first step. By the way, there are already some tariffs on China, should have been stated as an additional 10%...
well said, glad some people get it. The US needs to get back to being self sufficient
 
I hope that's not the case. I want Canadians sucking each other's dick for an oz of maple syrup before it's all over. Then they can learn where they really are in the pecking order, and start acting like it.

Those snow beaners make their own maple syrup.... Which we Vermonters constantly remind them is for industrial use only.

Probably stripping paint or using as glue or some shit.

Their place in the pecking order is sort of below Belize and Lesotho....

And the difference between a Canadian and a canoe?

A canoe fucking tips.

I love when those hosers get all uppity. Because in reality, the matter less on the planet than the population of Omaha, Nebraska.
So... there ya go!

Snow beaners... fuck off.

Except a few who are here on SH and are actually really awesome dudes... Like @Sean the Nailer who is Canadian, but we'd be glad to have him as an American any time. Guys like him give me hope for Canada. I think Armed Ginger fits in the same category.

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This is true. The last smelter of lead in the USA closed in 2023, yet, doing a google search using various query formats, reveals only that there is still lead mining going on, in the USA, but not where, and no mention of where the ore is shipped for smelting.

Perhaps my Google-Fu is poor, but I only searched for about a half hour. I can find production rates, and one chart even shows several countries EXCEPT the US producing Lead, but no data on where it ships for reduction.
We do have a robust recycling program, and lead/acid batteries are being recovered for scavenging of lead, however several reports state that only 3% is needed for bullet production, making ammo a very low order of importance (to economists and “greenies (hippies and conservationists and climate change idiots all lumped together ).
if anyone has information on where lead ore is shipped for smelting (probably Mexico and Canada), Let me know. Putting it out of reach of re-loaders and industry puts us in a disadvantage, certainly an inconvenience, including strategically.


The vast amount of lead mining in the US is done in Idaho. The problem is that most of those mines are not running anywhere near at full production. They can supply a shitton of lead, antimony, and silver if needed.
 
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This is true. The last smelter of lead in the USA closed in 2023, yet, doing a google search using various query formats, reveals only that there is still lead mining going on, in the USA, but not where, and no mention of where the ore is shipped for smelting.

Perhaps my Google-Fu is poor, but I only searched for about a half hour. I can find production rates, and one chart even shows several countries EXCEPT the US producing Lead, but no data on where it ships for reduction.
We do have a robust recycling program, and lead/acid batteries are being recovered for scavenging of lead, however several reports state that only 3% is needed for bullet production, making ammo a very low order of importance (to economists and “greenies (hippies and conservationists and climate change idiots all lumped together ).
if anyone has information on where lead ore is shipped for smelting (probably Mexico and Canada), Let me know. Putting it out of reach of re-loaders and industry puts us in a disadvantage, certainly an inconvenience, including strategically.
We don't use mined lead for ammo. At least not directly. Approximately 99.9% of bullet lead is from recycled materials.

Chasing down mines and and all that is honestly irrelevant to anything regarding ammunition.
 
Making bullets requires Antimony, a metal we mostly get from China.
I assure you this is only a half truth....at best. Pretty sure hard cast lead bullets existed before we outsourced. And besides that, I'm not sure lead core jacketed bullets require harder lead... might be more optimal to mix on different percentages of other metals like antimony to control the expansion if it's desired in the first place but I'm fairly sure FMJ and OTM bullets don't require it. Correct me if I'm wrong... besides that, I'm all for making trade with our allies rather than commies that hate us.
 
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We don't use mined lead for ammo. At least not directly. Approximately 99.9% of bullet lead is from recycled materials.

Chasing down mines and and all that is honestly irrelevant to anything regarding ammunition.
The last lead refinery that took ore to ingots was killed off by the EPA a few years ago. Pretty dumb thing to do IMO EPA....

(And you wonder why car batteries went from $35 in the early 2000's to $150-200 now)
 
The last lead refinery that took ore to ingots was killed off by the EPA a few years ago. Pretty dumb thing to do IMO EPA....

(And you wonder why car batteries went from $35 in the early 2000's to $150-200 now)

The value of the dollar has a lot to do with the cost increase. The national debt in 2000 was around 5.7 trillion dollars and is now over 36 trillion dollars.
 
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what guarantees his success this time?
All I'm saying is that he is taking a big gamble and we will pay the price if it fails. Maybe worth it, maybe not, only time will tell.
There is nothing guaranteed in this world. Everything must be fought and worked for.

Gamble is not the word. In buisness, these are often calculated decisions. Calculated because, yes, they carry risk.

However, the lower the risk the less the reward. We already financially support Canada, if 25%+25% tariff are implemented, Canada will suffer way more than us, and it will only be a matter of time before they take an off ramp. Texas probably has more GDP than Canada.

My guess is so we can have access to resources and a trade on the cheap.

Maybe even a complete annexing. Either way, it’s not out fault. Canada politics chose to be an American welfare. That’s between them and their politicians.
 
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cost of ammo over last 5 or so years has noticeably impinged on my shooting volume. i suspect that even on here,where high income is somewhat common,i am not alone. i expect that to get worse. i would think that gun sales of less common calibers is gonna get affected as well. less common calibers really gonna be bad. saw some 300 sav in LGS @ $40/box for win white box that had some age on it. hand loading seems to be going the same way. know several guys that hunt but maybe shoot 50r/yr otherwise so they aren't as likely to be affected IMHO as those who shoot weekly+ and a lot.
 
Not my people, I'm Republican. Just saying it wasn't all roses and by your logic, if he can't control the outcome even when he was president, what guarantees his success this time?
All I'm saying is that he is taking a big gamble and we will pay the price if it fails. Maybe worth it, maybe not, only time will tell.
Dude, we were paying the price already! I say for Trump to go full send on recovering our nation. I don’t think my finances could have survived another 4 years of democratic nonsense.
 
There is nothing guaranteed in this world. Everything must be fought and worked for.

Gamble is not the word. In buisness, these are often calculated decisions. Calculated because, yes, they carry risk.

However, the lower the risk the less the reward. We already financially support Canada, if 25%+25% tariff are implemented, Canada will suffer way more than us, and it will only be a matter of time before they take an off ramp. Texas probably has more GDP than Canada.

My guess is so we can have access to resources and a trade on the cheap.

Maybe even a complete annexing. Either way, it’s not out fault. Canada chose to American welfare. That’s between them and their politicians.
I agree with most of this and a renegotiation makes sense. But, seems like he is starting with the nuclear option. So, yea, big gamble.
 
No matter what happens, you can count on gun owners to cause a faux-panic and stampede, like a bunch of mindless sheep……


Who cares. All that ammo will be useful in CWII / the constitutional restoration. And half those people wouldn’t have stocked up on Guns ammo mags if it wasn’t for fear of bans etc.
 
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Trump WH just announced a pause to the tariffs on Mexico, after a border agreement that includes 10,000 Mexican troops who will police their side of the border to help stop human trafficking and fentanyl, among other things.

As soon as Rubio went down to Panama, the Panamanian President bent the knee and cut-off the Panamanian trade agreements with China and their Belt and Road initiative. Who knew Panama was a partner with China’s Belt & Road?
 
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Canada is likely in the process of finding out how reliant they are on the US, and how they basically have no position to negotiate from.

They already enjoy a huge trade surplus with us on goods, but we have critical services balance in our favor. I suspect most of that is petroleum refinement. Canadian oil wouldn’t be exportable without US refineries.
 
Canadian Green/Pinko politicians working on-behalf of Russia have knee-capped themselves by restricting more development of refineries, so they rely on the US to get their product to market, like most oil producers.

Imagine these same weak politicians now left trying to deal with an aggressive US Presidency who merely demands more fair play.

They literally don’t have a leg to stand on.

Canada is heavily invested in manufacturing subcomponents for critical systems as well, which could be shifted to the UK, Japan, Norway, Switzerland, Finland, etc. since these components are already being manufactured in multiple countries.

It isn’t just the energy sector that is at risk here for Canada. They have to play ball and we get to dictate the terms to them, with no real negotiation needed.

It’s simply a matter of, “Here are the reasonable terms, sign here."
 
Japan was in a similar situation in Trump’s first term. The US negotiators simply sat while the Japanese politely asked for their humble requests, then stuck to the Trump terms and the Japanese were happy to sign before any other nations did.

Americans are painfully-ignorant about how much power we yield and have refrained from exercising with trade over the past 80 years.

Trump was the first President to break out that power, and people are barely waking up to a world they don’t understand.
 
Trump WH just announced a pause to the tariffs on Mexico, after a border agreement that includes 10,000 Mexican troops who will police their side of the border to help stop human trafficking and fentanyl, among other things.

As soon as Rubio went down to Panama, the Panamanian President bent the knee and cut-off the Panamanian trade agreements with China and their Belt and Road initiative. Who knew Panama was a partner with China’s Belt & Road?
problem is-will mex troops DO anything? ie other than help their cartel buddies continue their activities? what % of mex LE and mil are really cartel members/supporters? bet it's a bunch.
need to tariff them anyway for all the $ they pull out of our economy in the form of remittance,fake SS cards,ER costs,LE costs,etc,etc.
 
I'm amazed that every time Trump does something that all the experts say is bad, people are sure he has some master plan that will work out his way. This trade war will cause real damage and I'm not talking ammo prices. Talking gas prices, layoffs and maybe trigger a recession. Problem with being a bully is eventually you unite everyone against you.

Stock market crash in 4, 3, 2, 1....

Time will tell. Trump did some good and some bad. Threats of terriffs are one thing, he is taking a gamble and he may win, or not.

Problem with success is it convinces some intelligent people that they know everything and can't fail. Trump is FA, let's hope he doesn't FO.

Making bullets requires Antimony, a metal we mostly get from China.

I hope it is a non issue. Maybe there is some great long term win here, I'm mostly afraid the next few years could be in recession. I don't see the bull stock market lasting if this trade war escalates.

Trade deficit under Trump 2016-2020 soared to highest point since Bush 2008. He increased the trade imbalance.

He said he would eliminate federal budget deficit and increased it by 77%. He is better at marketing than operations.

Not my people, I'm Republican. Just saying it wasn't all roses and by your logic, if he can't control the outcome even when he was president, what guarantees his success this time?
All I'm saying is that he is taking a big gamble and we will pay the price if it fails. Maybe worth it, maybe not, only time will tell.
Your comments are myopic and overly simplistic in addressing an ongoing problem that has been an issue for last 35 years...

Don't swing by now with low brow comments after figuratively licking your nuts for 35 years.

This have become a deep rooted and multifaceted monster. I'm sure you're great at checkers but this is master level chess.
 
I hope that's not the case. I want Canadians sucking each other's dick for an oz of maple syrup before it's all over. Then they can learn where they really are in the pecking order, and start acting like it.

Sorry your girl lost. You should move to cuba with the dyke from HBO.

And where did we get it before we got it from China? Every fucking rare earth and commodity metal we need is sitting in the ground here in the US. The only reason we don't mine it is economics and environmental. You should go back to watching CNBC with the other dementia geriatrics.

Your going to be wishing for a doll to touch your no no spot when your mouth is used as a cum dumpster to survive in a few months time.

Kudos to you today, I nearly pissed my pants reading your comments! Top notch entertainment, Sir I tip my hat to you...