Tariffs and ammo prices?

#101
mosin46 said:
problem is-will mex troops DO anything? ie other than help their cartel buddies continue their activities? what % of mex LE and mil are really cartel members/supporters? bet it's a bunch.
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This is a more metrics-based WH, so border crossings, shipment intercepts, and overall infiltration is being looked at seriously.

The cartels can lean on their plants all they want, but the numbers still have to be what Trump CBP demands.

The cartels will also have to deal with significant internal pressure, since all the legitimate industries in Mexico outweigh illicit industries.

Mexico’s economy is $1.818 Trillion GDP, 13th largest in the World. Market sectors include telecom, agriculture, manufacturing, automobiles, retail, finance, mining, construction materials, retail, etc.

The cartels will find out really quick how much power they lack if they threaten these other industries.
 
#102
Long Range 338 said:
Your comments are myopic and overly simplistic in addressing an ongoing problem that has been an issue for last 35 years...

Don't swing by now with low brow comments after figuratively licking your nuts for 35 years.

This have become a deep rooted and multifaceted monster. I'm sure you're great at checkers but this is master level chess.
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Oh master, please explain.
 
#107
F ing snow Mexicans gonna learn

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Threadcutter308 said:
trudeau is gone March 15th or 30th, correct ? Yep, this is his last (globalist) kick at the cat trying to poke his finger in Trump's eye. Man, you guys are so fortunate he's leaving. So are we for that matter.

I'd bet money that this won't last more than a couple of months, 6 tops. We're too good of friends for it to go on for very long. I doubt that Trump wanted to do this, but I think trump looked at trudeau and trudeau's administration and felt like trudeau was going to just blow Trump off, so Trump went ahead and pulled the trigger.

I think this will backfire on trudeau and it will have been Trump that shoved his finger in trudeau's eye, not vis versa. That's kind of already happened with trudeau having gone to Mar a Lago (uninvited), meeting with Trump, then Trump's remark a couple of days later about trudeau being "the governor".......

I also have to believe that Trump and Pollievre have been talking. Here's to hoping that Pierre wins this spring. I think Pollievre is a good portion of the reason that trudeau is bailing out. So is the fact that trudeau is just a petulant little child with nothing going for him but a big mouth. And yes, we have more than our fair share of them down here South of the 48th, so you're not alone there.
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I like what you'd said, and it's worth repeating. Verily so.

Now, to add to this, it seems that the LIEberals are attempting to draw things out, extend dates, make things take longer, and postpone the election until the Fall.

And any other dastardly petulant thing a toddler can do to get their way....
 
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Skeptic1 said:
The higher the tarrif the more incentive to produce here in the US. To become completely independent of other countries.
It may take a few months, they'll be some initial growing pains but it is good for America.
I agree that the tariffs won't last long though.
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Without a corresponding loosening of laws/regulations to ease productions costs there won’t be a drop in prices. That’s the reason all of this shit went to the Chiners in the first place
 
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The D said:
Without a corresponding loosening of laws/regulations to ease productions costs there won’t be a drop in prices. That’s the reason all of this shit went to the Chiners in the first place
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EPA needs a realignment. US companies have been laden down with so many regulations and restrictions, that we have generations of govt employees whose sole job is to say, “No, go to this dept to get the forms so you can be rejected by that department."

It’s like trying to clear post when you PCS.
 
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LRRPF52 said:
EPA needs a realignment. US companies have been laden down with so many regulations and restrictions, that we have generations of govt employees whose sole job is to say, “No, go to this dept to get the forms so you can be rejected by that department."

It’s like trying to clear post when you PCS.
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Being the annoying libertarian that I am I feel obliged to say that nothing needs to be “re-aligned”, it all needs to fucking go
 
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hate to say it,but there is a role for some kind of EPA like agency. industrial pollution of waters,dumping toxic waste anywhere,destroying land while mining and just walking away post. mining does not have to be permanently destructive anymore than drilling does. what we have now is totally radical fairy tale agenda driven agency. the smelt/kali water story is a perfect example of environmentalist stupidity . big sugar polluting Okeechobee and the glades is an example of the first caused by corruption and corps of engin incompetence & stupidity. unfortunately government is all we have to deal with these type issues. there is no balance ,responsibility,concern for the future or thought involved in this kind of thing. just radical agenda and robber baron profit fighting head to head and we all lose.
 
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The D said:
Being the annoying libertarian that I am I feel obliged to say that nothing needs to be “re-aligned”, it all needs to fucking go
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The only reason congress has set up the alphabet agencies is to abdicate their responsibility to them. Congress is supposed to represent the people and they passed the buck to unelected bureaucracy to rule by regulation.
 
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I was watching historic films of the Salt Lake Valley from over 100 years ago.

They had terrible pollution with arsenic and other toxins ruining livestock and crops.

In Utah County, farmers and cities pumped raw sewage into Utah lake for a century or more. That lake is nasty.

But government agencies don’t seem capable of being stewards of the environment either.

EPA just gets pay-offs from big polluters, while making life impossible for small companies.
 
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#119
mosin46 said:
hate to say it,but there is a role for some kind of EPA like agency. industrial pollution of waters,dumping toxic waste anywhere,destroying land while mining and just walking away post. mining does not have to be permanently destructive anymore than drilling does. what we have now is totally radical fairy tale agenda driven agency. the smelt/kali water story is a perfect example of environmentalist stupidity . big sugar polluting Okeechobee and the glades is an example of the first caused by corruption and corps of engin incompetence & stupidity. unfortunately government is all we have to deal with these type issues. there is no balance ,responsibility,concern for the future or thought involved in this kind of thing. just radical agenda and robber baron profit fighting head to head and we all lose.
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It's a state issue. Not a federal.
 
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mosin46 said:
hate to say it,but there is a role for some kind of EPA like agency. industrial pollution of waters,dumping toxic waste anywhere,destroying land while mining and just walking away post. mining does not have to be permanently destructive anymore than drilling does. what we have now is totally radical fairy tale agenda driven agency. the smelt/kali water story is a perfect example of environmentalist stupidity . big sugar polluting Okeechobee and the glades is an example of the first caused by corruption and corps of engin incompetence & stupidity. unfortunately government is all we have to deal with these type issues. there is no balance ,responsibility,concern for the future or thought involved in this kind of thing. just radical agenda and robber baron profit fighting head to head and we all lose.
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I'll admit you do have a point. However, the EPA and government should be working together with industry to find agreeable solutions for all. However, the EPA and government prefer to be power hungry dictators who prefer to stomp on industry and the populace.
 
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some good thoughts here. don't destroy the environment,don't destroy the economy. maximize the improvement and preservation of both. i believe it can be done. requires work of people that don't seem to be present and available on either side of the various issues.
 
#124
mosin46 said:
could be debatable but likely true. seems finding one competent,uncorrupted agency isn't happening. 50 gonna be a challenge. what to do?
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Agencies should have zero power to make any rules/regulations. If they exist at all they should be advisory only.
No authority not granted in the Constitution to the federal government falls back to the state.
 
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that we totally agree on. i should have stipulated that as it is a core belief of mine. agencies,if they are allowed to exist and can prove their value,should have the job of investigating and reporting to congress with recommendations if needed. that assumes congress will do it's job-LOL.
part of that process should be counter argument presentation in order to get the best result and plan. a lot of stuff could be dealt with at state and local level as you suggest.
 
#128
mosin46 said:
some good thoughts here. don't destroy the environment,don't destroy the economy. maximize the improvement and preservation of both. i believe it can be done. requires work of people that don't seem to be present and available on either side of the various issues.
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Many people don’t realize that we moved major pollution to other countries along with manufacturing.
 
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Article II, Section 3 "...he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, ..."
When congress establishes any law, it's up to the executive branch of the government to make sure the law is followed.
Congress makes law. Executive branch makes administrative code that says how they are going to execute that law.

That city in MO that had the last operating primary-sourced lead smelter had cases of the dirt roads containing 30% lead. Not PPM. Not PPB...Percent. And get this: The process of recycling lead is nearly the same as refining lead from ore, but "recycling" is greeeeeen. There is another process that is much cleaner, but it also costs a lot more.

Like BFC just said ... Many of our messes just moved off shore ... Look at the crap hole that Russian manufacturing has resulted in. There are cities where 1/3 of the newborn children have severe birth defects and the residents don't know why and/or can't afford to move away. That's kind of were the US was about 50 years ago. In lots of cases the US EPA is far more competent than the analogous state agency, and the state can't even afford to take care of all the local messes, so EPA leads a lot of the cleanups. The EPA has done a ton of good work (yea, some of it has been very expensive b/c gububamint) so let's not intentionally throw out the baby with bathwater.
 
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Gemsbok said:
Article II, Section 3 "...he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, ..."
When congress establishes any law, it's up to the executive branch of the government to make sure the law is followed.
Congress makes law. Executive branch makes administrative code that says how they are going to execute that law.

That city in MO that had the last operating primary-sourced lead smelter had cases of the dirt roads containing 30% lead. Not PPM. Not PPB...Percent. And get this: The process of recycling lead is nearly the same as refining lead from ore, but "recycling" is greeeeeen. There is another process that is much cleaner, but it also costs a lot more.

Like BFC just said ... Many of our messes just moved off shore ... Look at the crap hole that Russian manufacturing has resulted in. There are cities where 1/3 of the newborn children have severe birth defects and the residents don't know why and/or can't afford to move away. That's kind of were the US was about 50 years ago. In lots of cases the US EPA is far more competent than the analogous state agency, and the state can't even afford to take care of all the local messes, so EPA leads a lot of the cleanups. The EPA has done a ton of good work (yea, some of it has been very expensive b/c gububamint) so let's not intentionally throw out the baby with bathwater.
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sort of the point i was trying to make but you did it better. no question EPA is out of control despite serious need for serious efforts and control in environmental issues. and yes,the green new deal,windmills,solar fields are useless scams to appease a mindless rad agenda and dig $ out of taxes.
 
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Gemsbok said:
In lots of cases the US EPA is far more competent than the analogous state agency, and the state can't even afford to take care of all the local messes, so EPA leads a lot of the cleanups. The EPA has done a ton of good work (yea, some of it has been very expensive b/c gububamint) so let's not intentionally throw out the baby with bathwater.
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Only because of money. Send the money to the states proportional to the need and the States will be fine. Elimination of the administration costs of the federal EPA would reduce the tax burden or make more funds available to the state.
The reason that the federal government was to be limited, by the founders, was for the citizens to have more control over their representative government.
We have 400 alphabet agencies at the federal level and every one of them can nit pick a point of contention for their existence. I bet that there's not a single person that can name more than 10% of those agencies. The federal government was never supposed to be the largest employer and here we are with the bloated bureaucracy ruling like dictators and the representative government no longer exists.
 
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#133
mosin46 said:
hate to say it,but there is a role for some kind of EPA like agency. industrial pollution of waters,dumping toxic waste anywhere,destroying land while mining and just walking away post. mining does not have to be permanently destructive anymore than drilling does. what we have now is totally radical fairy tale agenda driven agency. the smelt/kali water story is a perfect example of environmentalist stupidity . big sugar polluting Okeechobee and the glades is an example of the first caused by corruption and corps of engin incompetence & stupidity. unfortunately government is all we have to deal with these type issues. there is no balance ,responsibility,concern for the future or thought involved in this kind of thing. just radical agenda and robber baron profit fighting head to head and we all lose.
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Yeah. What we have is radical watermelon environmentalists regulating private industry.

While they turn a blind eye to themselves and industry’s that pay enough to them like railroads
Here you can dig a pond or disturb vegetation next to the bay. Unless your the government.

And government dumps billions of gallons raw sewage every It rains a half inch or more
Plus the way they dump salt on with zero accuracy in the winter.
 
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LRRPF52 said:
In Utah County, farmers and cities pumped raw sewage into Utah lake for a century or more. That lake is nasty.
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The government still does dump raw sewage


What raw sewage would the farmers be dumping ? And why
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That shits valuable. Doesn’t really lend itself to “dumping in a lake “ either
 
#135
Old Man with Gun said:
I'm amazed that every time Trump does something that all the experts say is bad, people are sure he has some master plan that will work out his way. This trade war will cause real damage and I'm not talking ammo prices. Talking gas prices, layoffs and maybe trigger a recession. Problem with being a bully is eventually you unite everyone against you.

Stock market crash in 4, 3, 2, 1....
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The "experts." 🤣🤣🤣 Maybe if we could still count how many time those fucking morons have been telling what ever lie they were told to tell.
 
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Bigfatcock said:
Many people don’t realize that we moved major pollution to other countries along with manufacturing.
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At what cost? Was Detroit better with the pollution or without? In how many cases has the effect of the pollution been greatly overstated? In how many cases has the persistence of the pollution been overstated?

We have gotten pretty good at water treatment. It wasn't just factories polluting water back in the day. Lots of people tossed their trash in the creek or river.
 
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supercorndogs said:
At what cost? Was Detroit better with the pollution or without? In how many cases has the effect of the pollution been greatly overstated? In how many cases has the persistence of the pollution been overstated?

We have gotten pretty good at water treatment. It wasn't just factories polluting water back in the day. Lots of people tossed their trash in the creek or river.
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At what cost?- An extremely high cost. Of that there is no doubt or argument.

I just wanted to point out that the one upside to the U.S. exporting all of its jobs was that we also exported 50 years of heinous pollution.

I believe we have the technology, understanding, and standards to bring that manufacturing back without having rivers catch on fire, chemical water, acid rain, arsenic fish, etc.
 
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DarnYankeeUSMC said:
The only reason congress has set up the alphabet agencies is to abdicate their responsibility to them. Congress is supposed to represent the people and they passed the buck to unelected bureaucracy to rule by regulation.
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Also has a little bit to do with Congress not knowing their asses from a hole in the ground ... delegating is part of responsibility.
 
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BurtG said:
The government still does dump raw sewage


What raw sewage would the farmers be dumping ? And why
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That shits valuable. Doesn’t really lend itself to “dumping in a lake “ either
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agree in that all the environmental issues need a rational look. dealing with them is gonna be tough. agree with both sides above. doubt congress is gonna do it's job,so???
 
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Limedust said:
Also has a little bit to do with Congress not knowing their asses from a hole in the ground ... delegating is part of responsibility.
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You missed where I said that the alphabet should only be an advisory group. Short term to advise on a topic and then sent home. The states are the best ones to handle what the alphabet is supposed to be doing any way
 
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Threadcutter308 said:
Not warshington state. Seen the shit they're up to lately ? :eek: :rolleyes::mad:
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I know it sounds harsh but I believe that the founders had it set up for the states to have different options and the people would go to whichever state suited them. Birds of a feather thing. Vote with your feet and leave the state destitute and it'll change. Then there's other factors that brought about the commie takeover. Governors not appointing senators, doing away with land ownership to vote and the 19th amendment. It's been a slow creep.
 
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good point but the incompetence of many states is an issue. of course same or worse applies to the feds. on thinking,i am starting to blame the "education" system going way back. doesn't produce people who have the ability to recognize reality,truth or reasoned plans. all gov seems to contain and attract the mindless emotionally driven sorts. can't get good results at any level with incompetent brainless automatons. throw in those who want power over others for it's own sake and you got the mess we have at all levels.
 
#149
@DarnYankeeUSMC ... You cherry picked around the part where Art II Sect 3 of the US Constitution says that the President has a responsibility to enforce the laws passed by Congress. The link is in blue in post #129. States may enforce, but POTUS has the responsibility to. I haven't heard a better way to execute that task.
 
#150
Old Man with Gun said:
Not my people, I'm Republican. Just saying it wasn't all roses and by your logic, if he can't control the outcome even when he was president, what guarantees his success this time?
All I'm saying is that he is taking a big gamble and we will pay the price if it fails. Maybe worth it, maybe not, only time will tell.
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My ass you are. You may call yourself that, but you damn well are NOT a conservative. "Republican" is not exactly a highly regarded title for most of us, not the same thing as Conservative.
 
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