CZ 457

502Chevelle said:

I think the new chassis from L3I is a scam. First, he has all this cool shit for our rifles, bottom metal, barrels that won’t fit our channels, etc, so we go buy all that stuff. Then after we have fully kitted out our rifles, he comes out with a chassis that has all that good stuff built in. I think it was his plan all along! Well, I for one, am not falling for it! But, I will ask for a friend, when will they be available, and what is the price?

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Hahahhahahhahhahhabbahbaha, perfect!! The site gets updated next week and if someone orders a CZ chassis next week it'll ship in February

darth_ritis said:

Finally a left-handed option for CZ457 !! I wonder how the balance is, all the MPA chassis I've had in the past were terribly rear-balanced IMHO.

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I emailed MPA a question about the lefty version, and the response I received was that they do not offer a lefty version. The website lets you select left handed, so ???? WTF.

Any amazing deals on barrels floating around that anyone is aware of?

The MPA website has been “fixed” and no longer lists a lefty option. Will L3i be my savior? We’ll see next week I guess.

darth_ritis said:

The MPA website has been “fixed” and no longer lists a lefty option. Will L3i be my savior? We’ll see next week I guess.

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There's some lefty ones.

502Chevelle said:

I think the new chassis from L3I is a scam. First, he has all this cool shit for our rifles, bottom metal, barrels that won’t fit our channels, etc, so we go buy all that stuff. Then after we have fully kitted out our rifles, he comes out with a chassis that has all that good stuff built in. I think it was his plan all along! Well, I for one, am not falling for it! But, I will ask for a friend, when will they be available, and what is the price?

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Kinda agree with you but in all fairness it's not just L3i. It's marketing strategy amongst the industry. Take MDT and the new ACC gen2. They touted it as highly improved for less money, yet it's just a stripped down gen1. An adjustable mag latch is as necessary as ammo these days, yet they left it off and you need to pay to upgrade it. They have everyone, well almost everyone...not you or I apparently, convinced that you have to have 3 or 4 $K into a rimfire build, twice that if you compete in centerfire, before optic, which is another shit show... or you can't be competitive or you're "not in the loop". Don't get me wrong it's great to see the industry grow, and in the end it's the individual end user who decides to part with their hard earned money or not, so I don't see the trend changing anytime soon. The L3i is a beautiful full featured chassis,but with weight kits and other add on's it can run you near 2K just like an ACC Premier. Don't see my accuracy improving any by "upgrading" my $500 chassis setup, others might feel differently and drop the coin...$1500 buys me a lot of quality ammo, if I can ever find any of that again !

bobby1028 said:

Kinda agree with you but in all fairness it's not just L3i. It's marketing strategy amongst the industry. Take MDT and the new ACC gen2. They touted it as highly improved for less money, yet it's just a stripped down gen1. An adjustable mag latch is as necessary as ammo these days, yet they left it off and you need to pay to upgrade it. They have everyone, well almost everyone...not you or I apparently, convinced that you have to have 3 or 4 $K into a rimfire build, twice that if you compete in centerfire, before optic, which is another shit show... or you can't be competitive or you're "not in the loop". Don't get me wrong it's great to see the industry grow, and in the end it's the individual end user who decides to part with their hard earned money or not, so I don't see the trend changing anytime soon. The L3i is a beautiful full featured chassis,but with weight kits and other add on's it can run you near 2K just like an ACC Premier. Don't see my accuracy improving any by "upgrading" my $500 chassis setup, others might feel differently and drop the coin...$1500 buys me a lot of quality ammo, if I can ever find any of that again !

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I don't think it's a conspiracy, just the way things up all. The other eye chassis is meant to compete with the ACC elite or any other top tier chassis. You're right that is definitely not an entry level set up and honestly there are lots of people who won't see the benefits. That being said, there's probably just as many people who see the benefit of getting a ton of features and pushing their gear to the limits.

I think you missed my sarcasm. It was a joke. Everything I have received from L3I has helped my rifle shoot better. I just wish that chassis was out sooner and I wouldn't have spent on the Manners.

Thesepaperwings said:

I don't think it's a conspiracy, just the way things up all. The other eye chassis is meant to compete with the ACC elite or any other top tier chassis. You're right that is definitely not an entry level set up and honestly there are lots of people who won't see the benefits. That being said, there's probably just as many people who see the benefit of getting a ton of features and pushing their gear to the limits.

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Not knocking your products at all Leon, I use many of them and like them all. But I disagree about the percentages of people who could see a marked improvement, seen too many matches where the 2K CZ outgunned the 7K Vudoo. Betting if I handed my rig to a top 10 prs shooter he'd still finish top 10 in the match.

bobby1028 said:

Not knocking your products at all Leon, I use many of them and like them all. But I disagree about the percentages of people who could see a marked improvement, seen too many matches where the 2K CZ outgunned the 7K Vudoo. Betting if I handed my rig to a top 10 prs shooter he'd still finish top 10 in the match.

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FYI this is Jeremiah, the other L3I guy lol. They absolutely would still win but I love being able to suit my rifle specifically for me and my shooting style.

502Chevelle said:

I think you missed my sarcasm. It was a joke. Everything I have received from L3I has helped my rifle shoot better. I just wish that chassis was out sooner and I wouldn't have spent on the Manners.

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Manners is fantastic......... I mean I own multiple lol

So now I'm figuring that if I get your chassis, and do some parts swapping, all I will need is an action and timney, and I will have two rifles. That will be good for my wife or friend to use in matches.

Question: All else being equal, ammo selection, mount the barreled action in a chassis or Manners stock, how much difference does the chamber make?

CZ has two different chambers. Only 3 of the rifles have their "MTR" chamber. It sucks that you have to buy the entire rifle and cannot buy just the barreled action, but it is what it is. For example, if you buy the 457 Manners MTR, you get the MTR barrel. If you buy the "Pro Varmint" you get the standard chamber, but the Varmint MTR gets the MTR chamber. The third MTR is the MDT Chassis model.

All of the rest are the standard chamber.

Have any of you shot both for comparison? There are four varmint models with heavy barrels but the standard chamber.

There have been some impressive group sizes posted here with the MTR chamber. How much difference does it make?

Anybody who has shot both?

Thesepaperwings said:

Hahahhahahhahhahhabbahbaha, perfect!! The site gets updated next week and if someone orders a CZ chassis next week it'll ship in February

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I keep looking for the update on the website, but I am not seeing the Hyve for the CZ457. On the side panels, are the m-loks standard, and then able to purchase the weighted or QR rails separately?

Malum Prohibitum said:

Question: All else being equal, ammo selection, mount the barreled action in a chassis or Manners stock, how much difference does the chamber make?

CZ has two different chambers. Only 3 of the rifles have their "MTR" chamber. It sucks that you have to buy the entire rifle and cannot buy just the barreled action, but it is what it is. For example, if you buy the 457 Manners MTR, you get the MTR barrel. If you buy the "Pro Varmint" you get the standard chamber, but the Varmint MTR gets the MTR chamber. The third MTR is the MDT Chassis model.

All of the rest are the standard chamber.

Have any of you shot both for comparison? There are four varmint models with heavy barrels but the standard chamber.

There have been some impressive group sizes posted here with the MTR chamber. How much difference does it make?

Anybody who has shot both?

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I started buying 457s not long after they were announced, first getting an American sporter, then finally finding a Varmint MTR after missing getting one ordered when they were in stock several times. Then - because I'm a fan of the Manners PRS1T stocks that I have on several of my Vudoo & a single Rim-X rifles - I bought a Varmint Precision Trainer with the 24" threaded bbl. The American shot poorly to begin with, using SK & Lapua ammo that shot great in the custom barrels on two Jelrod-converted CMP 40X actions, but the best the American ever managed at 50yds was around 1-1/2" groups, even after I'd pulled the bbl and cut a precision 11* crown to replace the ragged factory crown. Finally replaced that factory bbl with a Shilen select match ratchet that I chambered with my EPS reamer, and now have a rifle that shoots really well. The Varmint MTR was a huge improvement over the American's factory bbl, but still wasn't as consistently accurate as any of the rifles I had with custom barrels. The VPT came - new, out of the box - with some spattered but fairly heavy lead fouling about 1-1/2" forward of the chamber that I found while trying to wipe the bore before zeroing the scope I'd mounted. Just kept getting dirty patches out of the bbl with Ed's Red, so finally dry-patched it and put the Hawkeye borescope in to see what the problem was, and could easily see that leading - in a brand new bbl that I hadn't shot yet. A fresh bronze bore brush removed all the leading fairly quickly, and the bbl never lead fouled in that area again, and shot OK from the beginning, though not as good as the MTR. After I'd put 500 or more rounds through it at 50yds, I felt the groups had improved a bit, so backed off to shoot it at 100 & 200yds. But it really kinda fell on its face, producing 3"+ groups at 100, and failing to keep 10rds on an 8" gong at 200. So that rifle got the same Shilen bbl treatment as the American, and is now one of my favorite 22RF rifles.

Since I now had two very accurate & consistent 457s that both shot better than the Varmint MTR, I put it up for sale and kept the other two. I probably wouldn't have put the time, effort, and money into those two if I hadn't been so happy with the 457 actions, and have no regrets after doing so. From all the positive reviews I've read on 457 accuracy here & over on RFC, I must conclude that I was just unlucky with those two sub-par factory bbls, but it does point out that accuracy with standard CZ bbls is more-or-less a crap shoot (no pun intended).