Ukraine war Bullshit.
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Its actualy quite funny that the elties do not even understand some of the core things they are runing and banking on. NATO membership is only approved with unanimous decision but realistically its about how much US pressures the rest to agree.
The second thing is those no so Russian assets frozen that Zelensky now claims and some think could finance the war in US absence.
A large portion of the €258 billion being held in Belgium under Russian sanctions has reportedly been found to belong to Western banks and non-sanctioned individuals and businesses, the situation has raised questions about the effectiveness and fairness of the current sanctions regime.Most of these frozen assets were said to be held by Euroclear, a global financial market infrastructure group based in Brussels. The company plays a crucial role in facilitating securities trading and custody.
“The inconvenient truth is that the vast majority of that sample amount does not belong to people and companies on a sanctions list”, De Tijd noted about the sanctioned money.
Billions of euros in frozen Russian assets not so ‘Russian’, Belgian news outlet says
A large portion of the €258 billion being held in Belgium under Russian sanctions actually belongs to Western entities.
brusselssignal.eu
Frozen Russian Assets Belong to Ukraine, Not Its Allies: Zelensky
Since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, Western countries have used sanctions and other financial mechanisms to freeze $350 billion of Russian sovereign assets.
www.kyivpost.com
They are trying to do that as we speak.
Imagine UK and Germany trying to muster an army to send to Ukraine to fight Russia though.
What transports will they use?
Who will supply the logistics?
Will their parliaments even sign-off on this insanity, escalating into a new world war?
This is what happens when formerly-powerful nations sacrifice defense-spending in-favor of stupid social welfare programs for migrants.
Trump Bashes 'Worst Statement That Could Have Been Made By Zelensky' - Mulls Canceling Military Aid | ZeroHedge
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"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has remained defiant in the wake of Friday's explosive confrontation with President Trump and Vice President JD Vance in the Oval Office. He said from London Sunday that he will not apologize that that his country's freedom is "not for sale".
He acknowledged that the public spat "didn’t bring anything positive or additional to us as partner" - however he also said "This relationship will continue because this is more than a relationship in one moment."
"If you don’t have an end to the war and you don’t have security guarantees, no one is able to control a ceasefire," Zelensky stressed in these latest remarks.
He still proclaimed that he remains "ready" to sign a US-Ukraine minerals deal, confirming that his aides are now speaking to Trump's team about ways to move forward on it.
But the mood from the White House appears to be one of willingness to cut Zelensky off altogether. There are reports that President Trump is mulling cutting off all continuing defense aid to Ukraine."
The stupid thing Zelensky did was try to muscle Trump into providing more weapons to keep the war going, when Trump clearly stated he wants the war to end. No matter what side anyone is on, it was pure diplomatic immaturity.
But it was stupid for Europe to slash their defense spending for the past 34 years. They already were not fulfilling their requirements as well as they could have from the 1950s-1980s, letting the US bear much of the burden.
The fact that they kept their heads in the sand after the 1st and 2nd Chechen wars, then the invasion of Georgia in 2008 was bad enough. After the invasion of Ukraine and annexation of Crimea in 2014, there was no excuse anymore.
But it was stupid for Europe to slash their defense spending for the past 34 years. They already were not fulfilling their requirements as well as they could have from the 1950s-1980s, letting the US bear much of the burden.
The fact that they kept their heads in the sand after the 1st and 2nd Chechen wars, then the invasion of Georgia in 2008 was bad enough. After the invasion of Ukraine and annexation of Crimea in 2014, there was no excuse anymore.
should be nothing to mull over. stop all funding & supply of all aid-military and "humanitarian". why hasn't this been done? not a confidence builder re what many here thought we were voting for. it does seem that the NWO assets in America are still able to interfere with the work that Trump should be trying to get done. fact is the Ukrainian people might just be better off under Putin. fuck Ukraine.
You’re smoking crack if you think Ukraine would be better off under Putin. Ukraine has been under Russia’s boot with multiple attempts and struggles for who controls Kiev through puppets and counter-puppets since the 1990s.
Just look at Poland’s economy, which has grown 6-fold since 1991, while Ukraine stagnated. Ukraine has more resources, a larger population, and well-educated/capable population, and access to the Black Sea.
Ukraine’s economy should have grown more than Poland’s, but someone has been pilfering their resources and revenue through a series of money-laundering fronts, while exploring the people for human-trafficking.
If Ukraine would have been able to trade in Euros, their economy would have taken off long ago, and Putin knows that. With a Ukraine economy growing rapidly and becoming more rich than Russia, what weapons would they then buy?
Taking Ukraine has always been part of Putin’s plan, which is exactly what the Russian Foreign Ministry secretary was telling us privately in the early-mid 2000s.
Trump has now thrown a wrench into the gears for everyone, and Putin stands to lose the most with Trump’s deal. Sacrificing Zelensky makes Russia think things are going their way, but Putin knows the US-Ukrainian resource deal cuts him out, and he has already played his valuable chess pieces in the game.
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I suppose it's better than nothing, but
sounds different than ACTUALLY freezing weapons shipments from U.S. stockpiles
sounds different than ACTUALLY freezing weapons shipments from U.S. stockpiles
That’ll be great to hear…
…but how can we be certain resources won’t be funneled through the Europeans for their ‘brave, bold, new role” in all this?
No one uderstands that despite what they say in public the EU does not want this economic boom to end anytime soon. Example Norway. Russia up until they were boycotted and cut off was the largest supplier of natural gas to the EU.Now guess who is raking in the cash.? Norway has now stepped into that role. Wonder why that PM was bashing Trump and the whole deal?Now the new words are "we all want peace but a deal is not coming anytime soon." in other words Trump had Putin on the ropes and deal would have been done but we need to bleed this for all its worth.
Nah from where i am seating, it just bunch of elites with have rock bottom approval ratings or already lost elections that did not get the memo to change tack from their WEF puppeteers. Trump is moving way to fast for them . But sooner or later reality will set in as there is already much discontent in Europe over Ukraine first policies that are costing us a fortune and with no plan or goal in sight coupled with aggressive authoritarian tendencies, canceling elections, banning opposition and censorship. things are going to blow up in theri faces soon enough.
How will they be better off under blackrock and in infinite debt they won't be able to pay back for thousands of years?
You seem like a neocon bootlicker to me.
And you conveniently leave out where that money was pilfered, Kolomoisky, the guy your government protected from prosecution, bankrolled Zelensky and his banderite handlers.
Kolomoisky became the most powerful oligarch in Ukraine by stealing from the state and their banks, your government protected him.
Even forced Ukraine government to fire the prosecutor that tried to bring him to justice.
Also, Russia wants access to the black sea and no NATO on their border, controlling Ukraine is nothing but a liability to them, and they don't need their resources.
You just spew off neocon talking points and try to reinforce the idea that Russia is an enemy, don't know if you are retarded or just a dishonest sack of shit.
I’m one of the only people you will ever hear the truth about the firing of Viktor Shokin and the 2 assassination attempts on his life.
He was investigating Putin’s use of Burisma as a money-laundering shell for human sex-trafficking.
That’s why Elena Baturina wired $3.5 million to Rosemont Seneca in Feb 2014.
Biden and Obama were financially benefitting from Putin’s money-laundering network in Ukraine.
They took bribes from Putin’s intermediaries, in exchange for supporting Putin’s actions in Ukraine.
2014 is why Putin lost his puppet, Yanukovych. The next elected president was Poroshenko, not Zelensky.
Some of your basic facts are all wrong.
None of these are Neocon talking points, but ground truth.
If you come out swinging at me, you need to get your basic facts right.
This is Russian propaganda once again.
Putin chose to invade, and had been preparing for the invasion of Ukraine for decades. It was already known in the early 2000s within the Russian foreign ministry that Ukraine and other former Russian-occupied nations were on the plate for expansion once again.
Blaming the US for his plans is really stupid, but a lot of you who have no eduction or regional orientation in that part of the world continue to fall for it like simps.
Be prepared to learn that the Soviets co-opted USAID generations ago when the CIA started using it as a front, because CIA was already filled with 200 Soviet doubles in 1947.
Nobody is accepting Russian rubles around the world when it comes time to do intelligence work. Everything needed to be done in dollars, and when they saw the US flooded with cash payments to unaccountable foreign aid projects that don’t even exist, they of course tapped into that with glee.
I also noticed you’re back to the biolabs and Ukronazi Russian talking points.
Are you going to add any value to this site?
The problem for the Europeans is that they ignored:
1st Chechen War
2nd Chechen War
Invasion of Georgia 2008
Invasion of Ukraine 2014
They were counting on Ukraine to fall quickly in 2022 when they saw massive Russian forces amassed with strategic encirclement around Ukraine, which should have gone basically as-planned and outlined by Putin’s SMO. They would have just put their heads in the sand again, like they did every time before and hoped for the best as Putin staged for Poland, Baltics, Finland, Romania, annexed Moldova, and initiated more aggressive political pressure on Hungary, Slovakia, Czechia, and Bulgaria.
Putin didn’t count on the substantial stockpiles of Javelins sold to Ukraine by Trump factoring much into the SMO. The armored columns had limited resistance passing friendly lines into Ukraine, until they reached areas where Ukrainian units armed with Javelins pummeled them one-after-another, and halted their advances.
They didn’t stage logistics well enough on the Russian and Belorussian sides to support resistance, and ran out of fuel, food, and ammunition.
Their attempt to establish an air head outside of Kiev was repelled by local reserve units, who quickly mustered and counter-attacked, forcing the VDV to withdraw. It was an utter failure.
Europeans then woke up and saw the war as an opportunity to attrit Russia with prolonged stalemate fighting, which is what they have done. Because they are unprepared, their next-best strategy is to kill Russians with Ukraine as a proxy.
This is why they are fighting against Trump’s efforts to establish peace.
Putin can’t back down, otherwise he will be seen as a "weak bitch” in the Russian populace.
But he has no chess piece to combat Trump’s black swan move of exploiting Ukrainian resources in-exchange for the billions worth of weapons and aid we have sent.
So now it goes back to leaning heavily on disinformation through the usual co-opted European and US media sources, who have been apparatuses of Soviet disinformation ever since CIA launched Mockingbird.
Our grand pursuit of peace!
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At least somebody else finally sees how completely full of shit this guy is
nope. it's obvious to almost everyone that ukrainian nazis forced putin to intervene or watch the slaughter of russian brothers and sisters.
2-15-22: The OSCE recorded 41 ceasefire violations as Ukrainian forces intensified shelling of Donbass.
2-16-22: 76 violations.
2-17-22: 316 violations—some of the heaviest artillery shelling in years. Civilians from the DPR and LPR began evacuating to Russia.
2-18-22: 654 violations.
2-19-22: 1,413 violations.
2-20/21-22: A staggering 2,026 violations!
2-21-22: Russia officially recognizes the DPR and LPR, pledging military assistance. The US and EU immediately condemn Russia, threatening sanctions—yet they ignore the Ukrainian shelling of civilians.
2-22-22: 1,484 violations.
•On the same day, the UK, US, and EU impose sanctions on Russia for recognizing the republics.
2-24-22: Russian troops enter Ukraine.
Between 2014 and 2022, Ukraine’s army expanded from 145,000 to 360,000 troops. By late 2021, 125,000 Ukrainian forces had massed in the East, preparing to wipe out the DPR and LPR and push toward Russia’s borders.
Wait if voting and Democracy are so important... Hows about Ukraine respect the 4 break away Oblasts that want ( IE they VOTED) to side with Russia and end this stupid fucking war.
We never gave hundreds of billions of dollars. We sent billions worth of war material, a lot of which was already scheduled for decommissioning, some of which was new production already headed to NATO partners who deferred or transferred to Ukraine.
Either way, we have given Ukraine at least $175 Billion in aid, and now Trump wants a return on our investment.
This is terrible for Russia because it snatches the jewel from Putin’s grasp, as Ukraine is very rich with resources that Russia sees itself as the de facto arbiter of for some reason.
It’s one of the most brilliant moves I’ve ever seen in foreign affairs. Every other US White House would be thinking one-dimensionally in terms of military aid, sanctions, and managed escalation. Trump thinks in totally different terms.
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I thought I explained to you before that Putin used Donbas region forces, with help from Russia, to conduct false flags there and attribute them to Ukraine as a pretext for the 2014 invasion.
Same as he did in Georgia, same as the Georgian apostate jew Stalin did in 1939 to Finland. What method did Stalin use with the false flag against Finland? Artillery shelling of a town on the Russian side of the border with Karelia. Had you been alive then, you would believe and run with the Russian propaganda too I suppose.
Why do you believe Russian propaganda?
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The US had dropped pallets of cash and everyone over there has gotten filthy rich with kickbacks to our politicians.
We've been paying their government salaries and pensions for 3 fucking years.
NATO has been marching east for years.
Why do you believe Ukraine propaganda?
We've been paying their government salaries and pensions for 3 fucking years.
NATO has been marching east for years.
Why do you believe Ukraine propaganda?
All of these things can be true simultaneously.
Hell, we fired our County Prosecutor, who was caught coming back from Ukraine with his son after policing up a bunch of tapes and documents from his apartment in Kiev. He fled the Country after outing himself in a ritualistic sex abuse ring allegations from one of his friend’s daughters. Now he has a castle in Scotland.
NATO hasn’t been marching east. Eastern Europeans who didn’t forget the last time Russian soldiers invaded and raped them quickly scrambled to join NATO in the 1990s, especially Poland, the Baltics, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania, and Bulgaria.
NATO was staring at its navel wondering what to do after 1991, then all these Eastern Europeans came clamoring to join. They were smart, while the UK, Germans, Austrians, Italians, etc. were not.
lol, even the usually worthless united nations declared the luhansk and donetsk oblasts should be allowed the autonomy they voted for.
when those innocent civilians went about doing that, the nazis murdered them.
and it isn't like there is no reason for ukrainians to hate "russians", as has been discussed ad nauseum.
they were slaughtering jewish people they blamed for the bolsheviks in ukraine decades before hitler.
Most of the resources are in eastern Ukraine no? Ground that Russia controls/will most likely gain.
US could still make a handy profit of Lviv Oblast alone but it's not the Donbass in terms of value.
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