Ukraine war Bullshit.

[theLBC]

Paint the picture:

Ukrainians voted 79% in favor of normalizing trade with the EU so they could grow their economy.

Instead, Putin’s puppet Yanukovych, signed onto his Russia-Eurasian Economic Pact in Dec 2013.

That instigated the Euromaiden protests, which continued to gain momentum from Dec-March.

In January and February, the Sniper false flag attacks occurred.

Everyone agrees they were false flags, not on who conducted them.

So who would it make the most sense to execute false flag sniper attacks shooting both protestors and Ukrainian police?

The wind was already behind the sails of the Ukrainian Euromaiden movement and blowing hard in their favor.

It made zero sense to introduce violence and a massacre in that space for Ukraine.

It makes perfect sense for Putin to order the false flag, because it undermines the Euromaiden movement, causes animosity between Euromaiden protestors and the Ukrainian police/security forces, and attempts to spread chaos among the movement.

This was a no-brainer from the start as to who initiated it.

What a lot of people are falling for is the spoon-fed, simpleton stories created by Russian propagandists on social media. They’re great at making stories for low-information people, as they have had centuries of experience telling fairy tales to peasants.

You have to do your due diligence to gain a baseline of the setting for these events, otherwise you will be easily misled.

79% voted for handouts from american taxpayers.
per capita gdp dropped from $3800 in 2013 (before the coup) to $2800 in 2020. how'd that work out for them?

 

[Lightning8]

I do not care what happens to Ukraine - I do not want any more US dollars (especially my tax money) going to Ukraine. I do not want any US military involved in Ukraine; frankly, ready for US forces to come home from Europe, South Korea, Africa, and especially Syria.

 

[232593]

Trump has already decided the US support for more violence is coming to a halt, time for peace.

Peace in the EUCOM AOR maybe.

War with the CHICOMS is inevitable at this point. Hopefully DJT is able to prevent the Russians from being a participant.

 

[Terry Cross]

I typed about 4 large paragraphs rebutting most of this ridiculousness.
Then was overcome with a rare moment of common sense and deleted it all before clicking Post Reply.

This actually sums up my thoughts better and more clearly.
IYKYK

 

[232593]

I typed about 4 large paragraphs rebutting most of this ridiculousness.
Then was overcome with a rare moment of common sense and deleted it all before clicking Post Reply.

This actually sums up my thoughts better and more clearly.
IYKYK

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Which ridiculousness?

Stealing that gif BTW.

 

[mosin46]

Now that Trump has announced the crux of his peace deal, it’s in Putin’s interest to continue the war, otherwise Russian people will see him as the weak little man that he is. Trump is going to take the gem from his donut by securing US investments in Ukraine’s resources, which doubly serves to secure durable peace and compensate the US for its benevolence.

The weak European nations who have neglected their defense spending for the past 4 decades are also motivated to keep the war going, because every day Putin loses soldiers, aircraft, and weapons in Ukraine is another day saved for them later not having to face them.

It’s 4 immovable forces all with demands that don’t allow accommodation for the other, and Trump just threw them a wild card nobody saw coming.

The truth is that the Europeans can’t even force-project to Ukraine without USAF heavy lift assets, nor could they sustain an expeditionary fight, so they need to stop talking about that before their weakness is even more exposed among their people.

Trump has already decided the US support for more violence is coming to a halt, time for peace. As much as Putin needs the Europeans to commit more to the fight to save his face for the time being, without US support, the prospects for continued logistics face an uphill battle politically and physically with real constraints.

behold the reincarnation of kalashnikiv
OK,lets assume,for the sake of argument ONLY,that your blather is essentially correct.
for starters,anyone awake knows that Putin is a corrupt,brutal dictator or pretty close. common knowledge that Clinton,Obama,Biden and others have taken huge payments from Russian,as well as Chinese and Ukrainian,sources. also,that Ukrainians have valid,deep long standing reasons to distrust,hate and fear Russia and it's rulers. OK.
now explain why anything that happens in that part of the world is a threat to America's national interests. admittedly our forever wars of choice benefit the power holders and their MIC paymasters. what are the benefits to the American PEOPLE in putting 60 bil $+ into a war that is being fought 1000s of miles away in a place that we have nothing to gain by and a lot to lose from.?
what is the goal of this financial sacrifice and disruption of a fairly stable world order vis a vis central and eastern Europe having nothing to do with us? is damaging Russia in some way a good reason to bankrupt ourselves by sending then replacing a big chunk of our mil equipment? sure benefits our MIC and our neocon rulers. are you stupid enough to say that our involvement is to protect,save and liberate the Ukrainian people?
i would love to know what you Z lovers claim as your goal and end game. what justifies those?

 

[lariat]

US Planes Carrying Arms To Ukraine Were Turned Around Midflight | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Oleg Antonov was Russian, born outside Moscow. Worked as a designer for Yak…

This was all built and done before 1989…

Lol…

Trying to tie it to modern Ukraine is the work of a propagandist.

 

[theLBC]

 

[Terry Cross]

Which ridiculousness?

Nothing to do with your comments.
I was lazy and posted thinking it would be immediately under my target audience but several of you posted before I finished, making it less clear.

 

[theLBC]

 

[theLBC]

 

[375fan]

WTF?1 Is she really that stupid or just drunk when making those comments?

 

[lariat]

I searched for this and couldn’t find it as legit article. Got a link?

 

[Eostech]

There are all types of resources across Ukraine

I’m aware of most of that, however the Trump deal is concerning minerals no?

So while Ukraine might be rich in wheat, oil, Russian missle components and huge ass aeroplanes, that is not part of the deal Trump made.

 

[lariat]

So what I’m hearing is that all of this is the modern equivalent of smallpox blankets.

 

[theLBC]

I searched for this and couldn’t find it as legit article. Got a link?

i assumed it was satire.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Now that Trump has announced the crux of his peace deal, it’s in Putin’s interest to continue the war, otherwise Russian people will see him as the weak little man that he is. Trump is going to take the gem from his donut by securing US investments in Ukraine’s resources, which doubly serves to secure durable peace and compensate the US for its benevolence.

The weak European nations who have neglected their defense spending for the past 4 decades are also motivated to keep the war going, because every day Putin loses soldiers, aircraft, and weapons in Ukraine is another day saved for them later not having to face them.

It’s 4 immovable forces all with demands that don’t allow accommodation for the other, and Trump just threw them a wild card nobody saw coming.

The truth is that the Europeans can’t even force-project to Ukraine without USAF heavy lift assets, nor could they sustain an expeditionary fight, so they need to stop talking about that before their weakness is even more exposed among their people.

Trump has already decided the US support for more violence is coming to a halt, time for peace. As much as Putin needs the Europeans to commit more to the fight to save his face for the time being, without US support, the prospects for continued logistics face an uphill battle politically and physically with real constraints.

Putin has stated his goals for the war several times. Eliminate the Nazis from Ukraine, secure the Eastern provinces that are basically Russian and keep a NATO boundary.
Without the USA the EU can throw everything they have into Ukraine and it would make about a 30 day difference in the goals. Putin has not even pulled the gloves off yet. Total destruction of the power and water grid in Ukraine would have them begging for an end to the war and agree to any Russian demands. Ukraine doesn't have the money to pay it's troops, they don't have any troops and the weapons systems are useless without the USA behind the scenes operating them.
The only problem is that Ukraine will ignore the agreement the moment they have restocked. The same way they ignored the Minsk agreement.
The real big picture is that Russia has proven that sanctions didn't barely make a blink on their economy. They actually fortified their long term global position by shoring up BRICS. They proven that the war of attrition is still a viable strategy in certain circumstances. And the biggest.... It doesn't take long for people to see through the propaganda.
If Trump stops the money and arms the Russians will be at the river in 60 days or less. Poor, hungry and unarmed soldiers don't fight.

 

[theLBC]

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

PUTIN BAD!!! DICTATOR!!! RUTHLESS!!!
Propaganda and ignorance has brought us to this point.
The end of the Soviet Union was a chance to open relations with Russia and have a great trade partner that would have been good for both countries. For some reason the cold war only ended on paper. Behind the scenes the USA has continued playing the game while propaganda has preached the opposite.
Trying to figure out why has brought me to the conclusion that open trade with Russia and the former Soviet States would have been a large leap towards world peace and prosperity. That's not acceptable to the Rothschild's (satanic) plans for the kickoff of Revelations.

 

[BobKaare]

I searched for this and couldn’t find it as legit article. Got a link?

You won't find it, since it's fake.