Heard similar from other mapping sourcesi don't know if this is true, but it doesn't look good for them.
heard something about trump considering more sanctions until there is a ceasefire due to massive losses for ukraine right now.
Ukraine war Bullshit.
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We pretty much did the maximum on tariffs, and sanctions on Russia already.
Including pretty much outright stealing any of their money we could get our hands on and anything any rich Russian citizens owned.
We even blew up their pipelines to make life worse for trade.
We even started tearing up the entire financial global system just to be extra pissy to the Russians and folks we didn't like.
I'm not sure Trump has a much more to threaten in that regard.
I’m not a Z-lover. Think outside of binary terms that have been created by propagandists on social media on both sides. I’m laying down the historical foundation of Russian penetration of US foreign services and multiple White Houses.
The truth is the 3rd option, which has no home.
Biden has been on Soviet payroll since 1972. They literally got him into the Senate through Council for a Livable World, and steered his votes the entire time he was in the Senate, while influencing him financially when he was VP and in the WH.
Biden was supposed to extract Zelensky from Kiev, remember? Whose interests does that serve?
Zelensky refused the runaway flight, and stayed to coordinate the Ukrainian resistance to Russian occupation that never materialized once the Javelins and other weapons stopped the armored columns dead in their tracks.
Who sent the Javelins to Ukraine that were already there? Trump
Obama’s and Biden’s actions in Ukraine were in-favor of Russia. They both worked hard to disarm Ukraine from 2009-2016, and also convinced other NATO partners not to send weapons to Ukraine.
Putin also bribed the Clintons through Clinton Global Initiative with $363 million. There are lower-level US investigators who have been trying to indict the Clintons for these and other crimes for decades.
It looks like Kursk expedition could turn into large boiler if Ukrainians do not withdraw , there is a single road in and out and its onyl 5-7km from line of contact so FPVs can hit anything that moves.
''Ukrainian sources unofficially report that 6,500 AFU troops are trapped in the Kursk region, no longer any communication with several battalions, it is practically impossible to escape from the encirclement.
''Ukrainian sources unofficially report that 6,500 AFU troops are trapped in the Kursk region, no longer any communication with several battalions, it is practically impossible to escape from the encirclement.
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It would suck to know you are simply there as expendable bargaining chips, dying for something that was never yours and never will be yours, just so somebody can try to prolong the war for more money.
your condescending attempts to "educate" remain annoying at best. corruption of Clinton,Obama,Biden by Russia amongst others is common knowledge. add China,Ukraine,MIC etc. my question to you is and remains. what do you think the reason for and goal of our recent dumping of ? billions of $s into this abortion is. one hears 10-100 billion. why do you say we are doing so? what do you think the goal is or should be? what do you see as an end point if there is one? what is the justification for risking a nuc war to support a corrupt dictatorial,brutal regime? where is the gain for America? what excuse do you offer? who do you think is "right" in this issue? the evidence backing either belief is huge. pick one.
Issue is that europe is not doing shit.
I did see somewhere (here?) recently that the German army is worse off today than it was three years ago, and it was pretty fucked back then.
These are probably the double-secret sanctions! It's getting pretty stupid, the sanctions upon sanctions upon sanctions, when the stacking makes literally no difference. It's just noise.
I'm being a fart but you are exactly right.
We should never have been in this to begin with. As I've said before, Ukraine has never been or be able to win this war. FJB puppet masters got us into this. We need to get out of it now! If the EU wants in, then they should go for it. In reality the EU is talking smack with no heart or determination to really do anything. Started biting us in the ass the moment we got involved sending money and weapons.
Selfproclaimed leaders of EU need external enemy to mask complete and utter failure of EU, next will be inner enemy and then they will turn nasty to domestic population which will either overthrow them nad hang the lot or we will have NK style neofeudal order of groupthink. BTDT at least eastern part did hence such dissent from Slovakia, Hungary and most of the population in ex socialist states (except leaders which are all externally sponsored along with presstitutes). One thing is sure EU cannot attack shit , only thing they can attack is little girls and boys who cant defend themselves degenerates to the extreme.
A decent lesson in propaganda.
More importantly a lesson in the deep state corruption.
Also, Russia collusion hoax, Gen Flynn......
And it's not just a few bad ones at the top.
Bizarre? Not really...
...never underestimate the maturity of our own propaganda apparatus as well as our own innate American fickleness and gullibility
I think this one was for the first Gulf War…
…while this one was for the second.
We were easily suckered by these
Look at poor Iraq, two years after the great fantasy quest for "Weapons of Mass Destruction" started - they were still on the top of our “Biggest, Baddest Enemy” list.
Despite what we did, it's still nothing more than a big joke to us, and thus far we seem to remain blessed for not having incurred any catastrophic consequences (bloooooowbaaaaaack!).
There's always a villain du jour to suit the occasion, to get the public's jingo juices flowing
OUR OPINIONS AND PREJUDICES ARE VERY EASILY SWAYED
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Never underestimate the maturity of our own propaganda apparatus and innate American gullibility
Look at poor Iraq, two years after the great quest for "Weapons of Mass Destruction" started - they were still on the top of our list.
Despite what we did, it's still nothing more than a big joke to us, and thus far we seem to remain blessed for not having incurred any catastrophic consequences.
There's always a villain du jour to suit the occasion, to get the public's juices flowing
If people were smart the CHICOMs should have been +60% on that list going all the way back.
China has been an existential threat since Mao.
A grand total of $12 Billion in exports to America in 2022...
$33 Billion to India, with the Indians passing on the "middleman tax" to Europe for all those luscious hydrocarbons
$108 Billion to China, probably compiled after them having signed the "No Limits" partnership declaration in February of that year...
Note: The SMO on Ukraine started ~ February 2022 (?).
According to the Saturday Morning Punditoons, the only significant chunk left for us to “sanction” or "tariff" the Russians on is Uranium and Fertilizers - didn't bother to verify what we're imposing on their hydrocarbons...
But, looking at the other trade partners, there was also a lot of buying and selling going on - and their economy was already chugging away healthily...
...unfortunately, there's no BRICS Aggregate to represent current exports graphically.
Long story short, yeah - like the Chinese and the rest of the world (that’s “BRICS,” to America), all they need to do is stay clear of us - as far as their trade is concerned, they have a "diversified portfolio" independent of America and have “de - risked” themselves away from the U.$. Dollar pretty well.
All that despite us having frozen $300 Billion of their assets and heaped all these magical “sanctions” and “tariffs” upon them.
Hint, hint, hint...
The "Petrodollar" and "U.S. Dollar as the de facto Reserve Currency" and our "Exorbitant Privilege" which secures our fancy standard of living? Pooof! Its value doesn't exist in the absence of folks sinking their savings or exchanging goods with it.
We're going to attempt to secure and maintain its supremacy through economic and military bullying...
...but even that's a hard sell when the world's sick and tired of and simply turning its back on us.
The irony is, even the Chinese have openly and repeatedly stated that the U.$. Dollar was a solid, reliable medium that suited trade for everyone just fine and dandy. Like, sure - exert your imperialist hegemonic control and whatnot, who cares, whatever - we can all prosper still - but we went and shot ourselves in the foot, pissing that great, juicy privilege all away.
Make no mistake, we Americans will be shitting BRICS in the near future, if we choose to continue with this type of behavior.
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3:30 in this video shows the road Ukraine is using to supply its Kurks salient. Lots of destroyed vehicles. Lots of people reporting Russia is pinching off this supply road, time will tell if true.
i heard that europe paid more to russia for gas/oil since 2022 than they have given ukraine to fight the proxy war.
i am guessing this would be one of the targets (russian oil/gas interests).
china would probably just buy it from russia and sell it to europe. maybe they already do that.
i am guessing this would be one of the targets (russian oil/gas interests).
china would probably just buy it from russia and sell it to europe. maybe they already do that.
Probably did...
...through their noses, over the noise of the Indians laughing in the background.
These distinguished gentlemen would probably agree!
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some are making that claim
if biden hadn't put the kybosh on lng expansion we might have been able to make up the difference already?
some are making that claim
yes they have. avoiding a world ending war with them while keeping them at bay is huge challenge. we have been undermined internally by the elites,esp in universities. our dependence on their products in even our advanced weapons systems seems suicidal.
their manuf base size and efficiency vastly exceeds ours. why can be argued and discussed,but it is what it is. the whine that their products are just cheap junk is simply not true. i could list many examples.
trump's attempt at econ warfare thru tariffs seems to me a best bet. gonna be painful but our products over there are undercut in all the well known ways so not much to lose in their not buying our stuff. they steal it pretty well anyway. that is the fault of our elites and unintelligence establishment,not theirs. why not steal stuff that is laying around for the taking? and it is easy when you have your agents in place all over. or,just pay off Amer pols and elites?
pushing Russia into their bed is the ultimate in stupidity. OK,even if you think Russia is an enemy,adding 60-70% to your enemy"s stash is just retarded.
their manuf base size and efficiency vastly exceeds ours. why can be argued and discussed,but it is what it is. the whine that their products are just cheap junk is simply not true. i could list many examples.
trump's attempt at econ warfare thru tariffs seems to me a best bet. gonna be painful but our products over there are undercut in all the well known ways so not much to lose in their not buying our stuff. they steal it pretty well anyway. that is the fault of our elites and unintelligence establishment,not theirs. why not steal stuff that is laying around for the taking? and it is easy when you have your agents in place all over. or,just pay off Amer pols and elites?
pushing Russia into their bed is the ultimate in stupidity. OK,even if you think Russia is an enemy,adding 60-70% to your enemy"s stash is just retarded.
Maybe, as shipping cost have plumeted recently. Literally record lows. But still more expensive than Pipelines.
Shipping cost was the issue, US has a LOT of natural gas.
ROFL since Gas was turned off , little green men started crawling trough the gas pipes
A fierce battle is underway: a breakthrough in Sudzha along a gas pipeline in the Kursk region - parts from the enemy.
"Today, a breakthrough of enemy infantry was discovered in the area of the city of Sudzha - the Russians used a gas pipeline to transfer an assault company unnoticed by drones, and wedged themselves into our battle formations," writes Ukrainian Butusov.
We are talking about the underground gas pipeline "Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod", through which Russia supplied gas to Europe through Ukraine until January 1, 2025. The diameter of one pipe is 1.4 meters.
"Political motives are clear to everyone, but there must be purely military logic. Now we have lost our advantageous position in Kursk region - both tactical and operational. Solutions are needed," Butusov writes.
A fierce battle is underway: a breakthrough in Sudzha along a gas pipeline in the Kursk region - parts from the enemy.
"Today, a breakthrough of enemy infantry was discovered in the area of the city of Sudzha - the Russians used a gas pipeline to transfer an assault company unnoticed by drones, and wedged themselves into our battle formations," writes Ukrainian Butusov.
We are talking about the underground gas pipeline "Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod", through which Russia supplied gas to Europe through Ukraine until January 1, 2025. The diameter of one pipe is 1.4 meters.
"Political motives are clear to everyone, but there must be purely military logic. Now we have lost our advantageous position in Kursk region - both tactical and operational. Solutions are needed," Butusov writes.
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China can’t afford to sell any energy to other nations. They’re a huge importer. They use all the energy they can get since they don’t produce enough themselves, and their population’s insatiable demand for it can’t be met. Flammables are so valuable in China, that Chinese Generals allow the sale of rocket motor propellant from missiles to be sold so squat mamma can cook some hot pot on her street wok.
85% of their energy comes from the Gulf States region, which they have no ability to control or secure.
That’s one of the reasons they were already negotiating to end US positions in the Indian Ocean with Kamala’s team, and had already secretly bribed Panama to sign onto the Belt & Road Initiative, making our Panama Canal part of their global trade network.
We were looking at a turning point in our history where had the treasonous Marxists been able to get Kamala into the WH, it would have signaled the rise and expansion of China into more seizure of US basing and strategic locations that have secured the trade routes for the past 80 years.
When Ukraine repelled Russia’s armored columns, using Javelins sold to them by Trump, it set the stage for the last 3 years to unfold in ways nobody predicted or counted on.
The Europeans and war hawks in the US DoD all agreed that Ukraine would fall quickly, since Putin started with strategic encirclement. There is no reason why he should have faltered with his SMO, yet he showed the world how weak Russia is in not being able to accomplish its strategic objectives with a neighboring nation they had surrounded, even after using the Biden energy plan to enrich Russia for a full year while Putin prepared his forces for the invasion.
European would have put their heads in the sand once again, like they did after Chechnya, Georgia, Transistria, and Putin would then have annexed Moldova. Since that didn’t happen, and Europeans saw how weak Russia really was, they still waited a while before sending weapons and supplies to Ukraine because they weren’t sure.
They know within themselves that they have neglected their own defense, so the longer Russia is bogged down in Ukraine, the more temporary security they enjoy while some Germans, French, Brits, Poles, Hungarians, Finns, Czechs, Italians, Spaniards, Slovaks, Austrians, Belgians, Dutch, and Swedes begin the series of endless meetings trying to figure out what to do.
The US looks at all of this and says, “Why is this my problem?” Because of the combination of European neglect of their defense busiest, and Putin’s Tsarist dreams of expansion, they made their problems everybody’s problems.
Now Trump has to step in and figure it out and provide leadership that has never existed before in the US White House.
Don't be short sighted enough to think that 2 or even 4 years of heroic Trump actions will suddenly put a stop to China.
While the western politicians and the west have short sighted self serving goals, the Chinese are much more willing to think about the long term plan even if it means a few steps back and then later on a bunch more steps.
Next Democrat president that comes along will do to all of Trump's stuff what Trump is doing to Biden's stuff and we'll probably be slightly worse off because the Democrats might actually have somebody a bit more intelligent and likeable in power that can actually get more done than Harris ever could have.
you keep pounding your analysis. maybe you're right,maybe not. my questions,since you think Putin is at fault: what should US do,why?,what is the downside for us,what is the gain,what is the the justification of adding to our bankruptcy,what justifies our actions,why should we prioritize Europe over America's obvious needs,our justification in interfering 5000m away? do you have a clue or just ranting about Putin bad? try to remove him? idiocy Syria,Chile,Iran,Libya,Guatemala,Palestine,Nicaragua many others are suspect of CIA interference. some would say Donbas. so what is your suggested follow up for Trump to fix it? does "provide leadership" mean start a hot war with Russia instead of the current proxy war? that should solve the problem.
No, no we don't. Western meddling in an ex soviet state is what pushed this shit over the fucking edge.
Don't coup the fucking government and no war, its pretty easy.
BTW, weren't you born in Eastern Europe?
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