79% voted for handouts from american taxpayers.
per capita gdp dropped from $3800 in 2013 (before the coup) to $2800 in 2020. how'd that work out for them?
Ukraine war Bullshit.
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per capita gdp dropped from $3800 in 2013 (before the coup) to $2800 in 2020. how'd that work out for them?
I do not care what happens to Ukraine - I do not want any more US dollars (especially my tax money) going to Ukraine. I do not want any US military involved in Ukraine; frankly, ready for US forces to come home from Europe, South Korea, Africa, and especially Syria.
Peace in the EUCOM AOR maybe.
War with the CHICOMS is inevitable at this point. Hopefully DJT is able to prevent the Russians from being a participant.
I typed about 4 large paragraphs rebutting most of this ridiculousness.
Then was overcome with a rare moment of common sense and deleted it all before clicking Post Reply.
This actually sums up my thoughts better and more clearly.
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Then was overcome with a rare moment of common sense and deleted it all before clicking Post Reply.
This actually sums up my thoughts better and more clearly.
IYKYK
behold the reincarnation of kalashnikiv
OK,lets assume,for the sake of argument ONLY,that your blather is essentially correct.
for starters,anyone awake knows that Putin is a corrupt,brutal dictator or pretty close. common knowledge that Clinton,Obama,Biden and others have taken huge payments from Russian,as well as Chinese and Ukrainian,sources. also,that Ukrainians have valid,deep long standing reasons to distrust,hate and fear Russia and it's rulers. OK.
now explain why anything that happens in that part of the world is a threat to America's national interests. admittedly our forever wars of choice benefit the power holders and their MIC paymasters. what are the benefits to the American PEOPLE in putting 60 bil $+ into a war that is being fought 1000s of miles away in a place that we have nothing to gain by and a lot to lose from.?
what is the goal of this financial sacrifice and disruption of a fairly stable world order vis a vis central and eastern Europe having nothing to do with us? is damaging Russia in some way a good reason to bankrupt ourselves by sending then replacing a big chunk of our mil equipment? sure benefits our MIC and our neocon rulers. are you stupid enough to say that our involvement is to protect,save and liberate the Ukrainian people?
i would love to know what you Z lovers claim as your goal and end game. what justifies those?
US Planes Carrying Arms To Ukraine Were Turned Around Midflight | ZeroHedge
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Oleg Antonov was Russian, born outside Moscow. Worked as a designer for Yak…
This was all built and done before 1989…
Lol…
Trying to tie it to modern Ukraine is the work of a propagandist.
This was all built and done before 1989…
Lol…
Trying to tie it to modern Ukraine is the work of a propagandist.
Nothing to do with your comments.
I was lazy and posted thinking it would be immediately under my target audience but several of you posted before I finished, making it less clear.
WTF?1 Is she really that stupid or just drunk when making those comments?
I’m aware of most of that, however the Trump deal is concerning minerals no?
So while Ukraine might be rich in wheat, oil, Russian missle components and huge ass aeroplanes, that is not part of the deal Trump made.
So what I’m hearing is that all of this is the modern equivalent of smallpox blankets.
Putin has stated his goals for the war several times. Eliminate the Nazis from Ukraine, secure the Eastern provinces that are basically Russian and keep a NATO boundary.
Without the USA the EU can throw everything they have into Ukraine and it would make about a 30 day difference in the goals. Putin has not even pulled the gloves off yet. Total destruction of the power and water grid in Ukraine would have them begging for an end to the war and agree to any Russian demands. Ukraine doesn't have the money to pay it's troops, they don't have any troops and the weapons systems are useless without the USA behind the scenes operating them.
The only problem is that Ukraine will ignore the agreement the moment they have restocked. The same way they ignored the Minsk agreement.
The real big picture is that Russia has proven that sanctions didn't barely make a blink on their economy. They actually fortified their long term global position by shoring up BRICS. They proven that the war of attrition is still a viable strategy in certain circumstances. And the biggest.... It doesn't take long for people to see through the propaganda.
If Trump stops the money and arms the Russians will be at the river in 60 days or less. Poor, hungry and unarmed soldiers don't fight.
PUTIN BAD!!! DICTATOR!!! RUTHLESS!!!
Propaganda and ignorance has brought us to this point.
The end of the Soviet Union was a chance to open relations with Russia and have a great trade partner that would have been good for both countries. For some reason the cold war only ended on paper. Behind the scenes the USA has continued playing the game while propaganda has preached the opposite.
Trying to figure out why has brought me to the conclusion that open trade with Russia and the former Soviet States would have been a large leap towards world peace and prosperity. That's not acceptable to the Rothschild's (satanic) plans for the kickoff of Revelations.
More stuff that started with Clinton but not reported or exposed by the media.
Good history report.
While the article is fake, it's not actually wrong.
No they aren't stupid or drunk, they are happy to come out and tell you that they are going to genocide all those white Christians and replace them with easily controlled hordes of brown skinned lesser folks that will be easier to rule over. Because well the "Tribe" and the goy are to cowered to call it like it is...
President Trump Has Exposed the U.S Side of the Proxy War by Disabling Ukraine Access to U.S. Missile and Drone Targeting Systems - The Last Refuge
The media have not, and in most cases cannot, factually discuss what President Trump has just done without opening up a major can-of-worms about the motives behind the Ukraine war. When President Trump stopped “intelligence sharing” with Ukraine, what he technically did was stop allowing Ukraine...
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@ironpony you have single handedly thrown out entire Geneva convention. Shit like that simply is not humane tou should be hanged in Hague only for bringing up the notion of those giant locusts being released. Kraken is shitting his pants at the sight of those soldiers…
I look for this all to blow up in every ones face this year. Between the EU now getting involved in this, and the left here at home about to go on the war path like never before. The powers to be on this rock pissed, their plan to drop American to its knees has failed, its like the perfect storm building,... When the dust settles from all this there will be little untouched dirt on this rock.
The saving grace will be if accidents start happening to select group members, that we can smile at,...
The saving grace will be if accidents start happening to select group members, that we can smile at,...
I’m kind of optimistic as this snowball of antiglobalization is picking up pace and i think it will crack and pressure will escape from this cooker. Damages? Dunno hopefully few specks on the wall not requiring kitchen remodeling. If im wrong it was sure nice knowing you and fun while it lasted.
The sheep don't count they are just beasts of burden and mindless drones easily swayed by propaganda and in love with power and worshiping uniforms and governments.
What you have is:
A decent group of good folks who actually want a better world and want good things for their families and mostly just really want to be left alone. They are willing to do a fair bit, but not anything that is going to put them, their lives, their freedom, their wealth or their families or their lifestyle at significant or ending risk.
And a much smaller group of hard men who are fed up and would like the chance to be able to do the needful.
Most of them are also smart enough to know what can and can't be done with and without support.
Against:
A large group of greedy, self absorbed puppets and collaborators running most of the governments, corporations, politics, banking and mouthpiece things that all are very happy with the riches, power and glory they have made selling their fellow humans out, they would very much like to keep things the way they are and are happy to do as they can to profit themselves and obey orders.
And a much smaller group of hard men who worship the Illuminated One and have for generations been working diligently and tirelessly to destroy good, destroy Christianity, destroy all Christian based western culture in order to prepare the way for the rule over the Earth of the Illuminated One.
They don't mind burning the Earth to ashes if that's what it takes to bring the world into subjugation to the Illuminated One.
The problem is who wants it more?
Who actually fights the long fight endlessly?
Who is willing to do whatever it takes?
Who is actually working together globally and willing to cover / help without question?
The first group generally is actually paying for all the stuff the second group does.
The Uniform hangers many of the first in the first group worship are actually willing paid servants of the second group.
The first group along with the sheep pretty much pay for everything the second group does.
I don't see it ending well until the whole thing crashes to the ground, and things burn to dust.
Then the folks in the first group will finally have nothing left to lose and might actually be willing to stop being stupid, stop fighting each other, stop worshiping uniforms, governments and power and the laws of man and actually do what it takes.
Perhaps, but who knows.
WARBOBO 2 for the win
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I'd be gathering for a complete new home rebuild, my friend. Around here and many other places in the US people are saying once its pay back time, its going to get real ugly real quick for the so called, Untouchable. They also know once they open that door there is but two endings. Job one will be knowing how to make the most of past/present training before twisting the door knob, and implementing your best 442 plan.
Just so you guys are aware, anytime you find yourselves accepting narratives from Jeffrey Sachs and John Mearscheimer, you have lost the plot. These are UN Globalists/Neoliberals/Ivy League professors from Columbia and U of Chicago. Literal hotbeds of communism/marxism/socialism planted in the US to steer leaders into anti-American ideologies.
Some of their points are cherry-picked to make convincing arguments for their premises, but they purposely leave out critical historical events, the Holodomor being the most egregious omission.
These are Ivy League neoliberal apologists for Russia, who came from Marxist institutional political philosophies dominating the faculties they studied under.
Mearscheimer was a Council on Foreign Relations fellow. I agree with some of what he has said, and have problems with other positions he has. For example, his position that Ukraine needs a nuclear deterrent back in 1993 proved to be correct.
I don’t agree with his position that the US is to blame for Putin choosing to invade Ukraine. Putin was going to invade or control Ukraine one way or another in his strategic vision. Americans, even the academics who have studied Russia for decades, don’t understand Russian history, culture, and thinking about Ukraine.
Jeffrey Sachs is a Columbia University Professor, big time proponent of ESG/DEI/UN agenda. He has poisoned the minds of millions of people through his influence from The Earth Institute and Columbia.
Sachs co-founded the Millennium Promise Alliance, which is a money-laundering front that has received millions in grants from USAID. They scrubbed their PDF on how they have received USAID money for years.
So when you find yourselves swallowing propaganda from the likes of these guys, just understand that you won’t have any credibility going forward. Just because they spoon-feed you with nicely-wrapped messaging, does not mean it is valid.
Trump isn’t talking about continuing the war, but ending it, then getting compensation for all the billions that were sent already.
He’s simultaneously telling the Europeans that since they haven’t taken their defense seriously (with exceptions of Finland, Poland, and maybe Norway), why should America take it seriously?
It extricates the US from being the de facto ones to come in all the time and arbitrate these foreign entanglements, while securing return-on-investment with resources from the region. By investing in resource extraction, it deters Russia from further combat operations in Ukraine.
It’s a gangster move nobody saw coming.
It steps way outside of the binary narratives, leaving everyone scrambling trying to even figure out what is going on, including Putin, NATO, and the dying Democrat party (who is filled with Russian plants through Council for a Livable World and other Russian front political action committees).
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we seem to agree/disagree a lot. my main point is pretty much "fuck Europe". what Putin does or doesn't do there really has nothing to do with us,or shouldn't. ie except nuc use. that is a separate discussion. the involvement of the CIA and MI6 in the Ukraine mess is something i hope you don't deny. starting a war to punish bad behavior of other world leaders is a risky undertaking. you could have a long discussion about Gulf 1 and Korea,which i think were thin but justified. our subsequent invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan not so much. we saved Europe 3xs in the 20th cent. at no particular gain for 1mil + casualties and the survival of people that hate us and back stab us at every turn.
your claim that Russia has undermined and tried to weaken us is true. that is on us for putting up with it domestically. we do the same shit. not as well like i said.
Sachs and Mearscheimer ,even MacGregor and Ritter carry the same load. compare that to the narrative from Blinken,Austin,Nuland,Clinton et al. who are you going to believe? not Biden's crew. the song "we have to stop Putin at any cost" has put us in a bad place. so there ya go.
your claim that Russia has undermined and tried to weaken us is true. that is on us for putting up with it domestically. we do the same shit. not as well like i said.
Sachs and Mearscheimer ,even MacGregor and Ritter carry the same load. compare that to the narrative from Blinken,Austin,Nuland,Clinton et al. who are you going to believe? not Biden's crew. the song "we have to stop Putin at any cost" has put us in a bad place. so there ya go.
Any self-respecting foreign services people are going to be pushing to exert the interests of their nation, but they might not realize how penetrated and co-opted their organization is.
In the case of the US, our foreign services people were co-opted by the Soviets over 100 years ago in some cases, largely because of the international proletariat movement that spread like cancer in US universities, combined with aggressive intelligence operations. A lot of US academics in the late 1800s-1900s genuinely believed Marx and Engels had it right, so they were more prone to secretly allying with Soviet efforts in foreign policy.
It’s one of the reasons why FDR’s State Dept was so friendly with Stalin, and how Stalin got the bomb as part of Lend-Lease and technical exploitation of the Manhattan Project.
Since the 1930s, the Soviet foreign services aggressively pushed to exploit opportunities they learned from all their POLINT collection, especially through the wire services that even Okhrana had been tapping since the Tsarist times.
When we fast-forward to Ukraine, remember that the de facto US WH policy was to either disarm or ignore Ukraine until Trump came along. It was never in the cards in Putin’s mind that Ukraine would enjoy national sovereignty, and Trump put Putin’s plans to a halt from 2017-2020. The other US Presidents enabled Russia in Ukraine, starting with Clinton and Nunn-Lugar.
Clinton has been on Soviet payroll since no later than the mid-1980s, when he started selling Russia and USSR NSA bank surveillance secrets. That’s why Vince Foster was flying to Chiasso Switzerland 12-20x per year to service safe deposit boxes for Bill, Hillary, and himself.
It gets worse the more you dig, believe me. This information used to be the kind that would get you killed.
In the case of the US, our foreign services people were co-opted by the Soviets over 100 years ago in some cases, largely because of the international proletariat movement that spread like cancer in US universities, combined with aggressive intelligence operations. A lot of US academics in the late 1800s-1900s genuinely believed Marx and Engels had it right, so they were more prone to secretly allying with Soviet efforts in foreign policy.
It’s one of the reasons why FDR’s State Dept was so friendly with Stalin, and how Stalin got the bomb as part of Lend-Lease and technical exploitation of the Manhattan Project.
Since the 1930s, the Soviet foreign services aggressively pushed to exploit opportunities they learned from all their POLINT collection, especially through the wire services that even Okhrana had been tapping since the Tsarist times.
When we fast-forward to Ukraine, remember that the de facto US WH policy was to either disarm or ignore Ukraine until Trump came along. It was never in the cards in Putin’s mind that Ukraine would enjoy national sovereignty, and Trump put Putin’s plans to a halt from 2017-2020. The other US Presidents enabled Russia in Ukraine, starting with Clinton and Nunn-Lugar.
Clinton has been on Soviet payroll since no later than the mid-1980s, when he started selling Russia and USSR NSA bank surveillance secrets. That’s why Vince Foster was flying to Chiasso Switzerland 12-20x per year to service safe deposit boxes for Bill, Hillary, and himself.
It gets worse the more you dig, believe me. This information used to be the kind that would get you killed.
OK. i get it and have known a lot of that for a long while. WTF does any of that have to do visa vis Russia and Ukraine NOW? are you saying that every thing Biden and co have done is justified in light of American nat'l interest? you Z lovers never come up with a rational reason to have done and do this stuff. ie other than P man bad and we don't like him.
Summer camp.
For liddle warriers!
From seven years ago, long before we were flying Ukrainian flags on our porches.
Fascinating…
...at first ah thought it was jes' sum good ole boys havin' sum fun humpin' dere cousins inna woods...
...I suppose the popular narrative has changed.
So, YouTube...
Why did this video suddenly get recommended to me by your algorithm after all these years, YouTube?
Where was it kept buried all this time, YouTube?
What changed in your algorithm, YouTube?
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A lot of the old news articles from places like The Guardian have always been around.
They just know people are too stupid to see the 180 so it’s probably not worth the effort to pull anything.
I must have missed where you offered an alternative to what he said. I read a lot of "Kill the messenger" but nothing to dispute what he said.
As for your other posts. History has brought the situation to where it is on both sides. Whether certain individuals or governments are infiltrated/influenced by whatever marxist, Zionist, lenenist or whatever doesn't change the facts of what was happening on the game board twenty years ago. Think of it as a chess game. Every game starts with the first move but it takes many moves to finish it. Along the way strategies change to adapt to the other players moves. Which leaves pieces all over the board that only make sense to the person using them. After each move the other player has to analyze and determine if he is to continue with the plan or change it because an opportunity has opened up.
Twenty years ago the USA was continuing spreading "NATO" ever closer to the Russian border. The USA was establishing bioweapon labs across the Russian border. The USA had their hand up the ass of the Ukraine government but didn't have full control. Russia/Putin sat back and analyzed each move and the USA backed coup of a border government, that was friendly to them, was a major game changer. The Eastern provinces, mostly ethnic Russian, declaring independence was a good strategic defensive move for Russia. Russia claiming crimea was a bold move and the counter move by the, now under full control of the USA, Ukraine government was to ignore the Minsk agreement and push the offense by declaring the provinces as rebel enemy and they started shelling them. Putin sat back and analyzed that move and waited and as luck would have it. The coup of Donald Trump put a weak potato in the white house. Twenty years of Afghanistan had the opposition weary of war and the botched withdrawal was a sure sign that there was an opportunity to stop being defensive and go offensive. Trump's return was the next big game changer. Trump doesn't have any idea why the game was even started and wants it called a draw.
i don't know if this is true, but it doesn't look good for them.
heard something about trump considering more sanctions until there is a ceasefire due to massive losses for ukraine right now.
heard something about trump considering more sanctions until there is a ceasefire due to massive losses for ukraine right now.
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