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Probably the hardest question out there. I'm not saying that the stock prices aren't real, they absolutely are as they reflect what the buyer is willing to pay. The question becomes how many buyers are left in the market at these prices. When the markets are high and non-financial types get in that is a big signal that the number of buyers is thinning out at a given price range and the market is in a late-stage bull market. Investment wise, excluding a simple preservation of capital strategy, the trick is to find where the herd is in the early stages of moving to or will be moving to.
But the real issue is deeper: what I can see is that cracks in the debt market have been forming, and the debt market is foundational for derivatives and everything else as it the thing that provides cash to pay off other debts, grow through investment, etc. There is a huge amount of financial entanglement between all markets and the banks. What makes this concerning is that it is the banks that create money via loans (fractional reserve system) appear to have started tightening who they give money to, and it causes money to not be created and pushed into the economy. The Fed can lower rates as much as they want but if the banks don't lend this creates a huge issue with respect to GDP and paying off other loans. The other contributing factor is decreasing consumer sentiment: if they don't spend but become net savers or use all of their money to live, this is a further limitation to the velocity of money as it obviously translates into a decrease in retail sales which results in layoffs in both the services and manufacturing sectors. And income growth has stagnated while overall weekly hours worked has decreased, which is currently causing a decrease in take-home pay and contributes to lower money velocity.
In 2024 about 30K businesses declared bankruptcy. Thats 17% higher than 2023. In January of this year there has been an 11% increase in commercial bankruptcy filings from January 2024. And commercial real estate defaults haven't even gotten started yet. What happens to that debt that is in the derivatives market and secondary markets? It's the write-down to book value and the destruction of that cash inflow from debt repayment that is the lynchpin to a lot of things. We talk about AI being the wave of the future, and it probably is to some extent, but if a business doesn't exist it doesn't need AI. The more businesses, the more AI customers there will be. You can say the same for every industry, not just AI. The debt market is the elephant in the room, and it is supported by the consumer who has historical levels of debt and their default rate is very high. But the debt market must grow for the economy to grow. We can pile debt to the moon, but if it isn't paid off via cash or other means the economy will shrink. I think we are approaching an inflection point; which way it goes will be determined by the consumer and whether they have enough money to buy and a corresponding positive outlook on their personal finances and the economy overall.
how many buyers are left? Everyone who contributes to a 401k, TSP, etc.
DCA S&P 500 for life.
DCA S&P 500 for life.
I bought some Tesla today because the Marxists are trying to tank it. Fuck them.
I bet some are trying to short it. Be a shame if it went all GameStop.
I’m feeling pretty good about sinking almost 30% of my investments into physical and paper gold the last couple years…usually capped it at 10%, but started putting in backstops (hedges against inflation) when I got serious about my second retirement last summer.
My problem is that those investments have grown much faster than the rest of my portfolio, so now I’m over invested in gold, and to a lesser extent silver. My primary paper gold vehicle is up 59% FFS!
Gonna be a wild ride…
Need to get back into the market, but honestly nervous about taking any gambles right now, so just gonna rebalance into a couple broad, market-based funds.
Edit: but with gold appreciating at this rate (well, actually it’s just the dollar and other currencies devaluing so quickly I suppose), why switch horses?
I’m honestly torn…I know I need to get back to a more balanced portfolio, but it’s hard to jump off this train right now.
Good problem to have I suppose…
My problem is that those investments have grown much faster than the rest of my portfolio, so now I’m over invested in gold, and to a lesser extent silver. My primary paper gold vehicle is up 59% FFS!
Gonna be a wild ride…
Need to get back into the market, but honestly nervous about taking any gambles right now, so just gonna rebalance into a couple broad, market-based funds.
Edit: but with gold appreciating at this rate (well, actually it’s just the dollar and other currencies devaluing so quickly I suppose), why switch horses?
I’m honestly torn…I know I need to get back to a more balanced portfolio, but it’s hard to jump off this train right now.
Good problem to have I suppose…
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I’m glad I didn’t short gold a year ago, lol. I stopped physical purchases around $2,300 per ounce since I feel I have enough accumulated.
This article has a lot of fear mongering in and falsehoods:
“This uncertainty has started to show up in some sluggish economic data, which further pressured stocks by heightening recession fears.”
Economic data is backward looking and there haven’t been any tariffs implemented yet. If anything, future demand in manufacturing has been pulled forward due to the stocking of raw materials and finished goods in anticipation of this event and have made the past months look better than they otherwise would. The economic softness was already there since it takes 12-18 months for economic policy to evidence itself in the macroeconomic environment. They are writing an article to twist stock fluctuations into a current economic event. The downturn was baked into the cake a while back, and it is compounded by the US consumers’ record debt levels, creating a situation where they simply cannot afford to keep buying things they don’t need on credit.
These people need to go back to econ101. Maybe pre-algebra.
The point of the post was the headline.
Dow futures tumble 1,000 points on fear Trump’s tariffs will spark trade war
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Good thing I didn’t give any. You should read beyond the headlines.The point of the post was the headline.
Dow futures tumble 1,000 points on fear Trump’s tariffs will spark trade war
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OMG. I posted a note illustrating the precipitous drop in the market and thanked Donny. That's it. Your reply was non sequitur and unnecessary.
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