1-8 / 1-10×

[Jmeier1981]

I need a LPVO with daylight bright illumination and uncapped turrets... I've kinda narrowed it down to an NX8 or a March shorty.
Anybody played with them both, especially side by side, is the March worth the price difference

 

[JayOpticspecialist]

I sighted in an nx8 yesterday, was pretty impressed with it. can't speak to the March. I've had good luck with the Vortex stuff, the dot is daytime visible.

 

[Jmeier1981]

I sighted in an nx8 yesterday, was pretty impressed with it. can't speak to the March. I've had good luck with the Vortex stuff, the dot is daytime visible.

Ya I'd grab a vortex if it didn't have capped turrets... I really want uncapped easily adjustable turrets which is why I kind of limited it to the nightforce and march

 

[ut755ln]

I need a LPVO with daylight bright illumination and uncapped turrets... I've kinda narrowed it down to an NX8 or a March shorty.
Anybody played with them both, especially side by side, is the March worth the price difference

So this is my dumb opinion. The 1-8 ATACR is better than the NX8. Having said that I don't think any of the scopes you mentioned are daylight bright (at least not high noon in Texas bright). If you are not going to use the rifle to fight in the Ukrainian war, you might want to try the Primary Arms PLX line. They have a FFP and a SFP option that are absolutely daylight bright (Trijicon ACOG bright).

 

[steve123]

The March shorty DFP is a very unique scope. It has few faults and although I don't know for sure I'm guessing it's got similar IQ to the NX8. This March isn't spectacular in IQ but not bad either.

Although the illuminated dot is small in my March DFP 1-10 shorty it's pretty bright. Probably is brighter out there but I can see it on a nice day still.

The March is nice enough in so many ways I'm keeping it. The thought of getting a NX8 has never crossed my mind because I like the side focus on the March which I've used often to clean up the IQ which I prefer and in case as an option I put it on one of my airguns or 22's to hunt with.

 

[CSTactical]

I need a LPVO with daylight bright illumination and uncapped turrets... I've kinda narrowed it down to an NX8 or a March shorty.
Anybody played with them both, especially side by side, is the March worth the price difference

Also consider this... For the price that I see of the March, you could get the ATACR 1-8 with a lifetime warranty that is daytime bright with a dot you can see and serviced here if something goes wrong. Just leave the turret caps off when needed.

-Richard

 

[Jmeier1981]

So this is my dumb opinion. The 1-8 ATACR is better than the NX8. Having said that I don't think any of the scopes you mentioned are daylight bright (at least not high noon in Texas bright). If you are not going to use the rifle to fight in the Ukrainian war, you might want to try the Primary Arms PLX line. They have a FFP and a SFP option that are absolutely daylight bright (Trijicon ACOG bright).

Ive got a Leupold VX6 1-6 with the firedot reticle and it seems to be what I'd consider daylight bright... I just looked through an NX8 outside today and as best as I can tell without having them side by side which I didn't the NX8 looks just as bright as my VX6 firedot reticle. I've never seen a March 1-10 in person so I can't really know for sure but it looks bright in review videos and people claim that it is... It appears to be the same illuminated center fiber optic dot that the Leupold has.
Idk much about the primary arms scopes, I have one of their older 1-6 scopes that has worthless illumination but I've never seen one of their nova reticles in person... I do really want open tactical style turrets to quickly and easily dial elevation as I might end up running subs through the intended gun and hunting with it as well. I thought all the primary arms LPVOs I saw had capped elevation turrets

 

[farwest]

The Trijicon Credo 1-10-28 is daylight bright and is excellent in my opinion. Trijicon makes the same scope in MIL & MOA (HX model)

 

[Jmeier1981]

The Trijicon Credo 1-10-28 is daylight bright and is excellent in my opinion. Trijicon makes the same scope in MIL & MOA (HX model)

I looked through a Trijicon Credo, EOTech Vudo, and and NX8 today and the trijicon by far had the worst illumination, it was completely washed out when I took it outside. Ive got a couple trijicon fiber optic illuminated scopes that are dumb bright but their battery powered version doesnt seem to be.
The NX8 and the specific Vudo I looked through with a green center dot looked about the same and were both very visible in full daylight... the NX8 actually seemed a bit brighter but it could just be because the illuminated area is bigger tough to tell

 

[Deepwoods]

I just ran downstairs and looked through my nx8 and march (gen 2 with dual plane ret). And the ATACR

Id call getting behind the March a bit more forgiving than the NX8. And at their top zoom, the NX8 shadows more.

I find the NX8's reticle to be much brighter. Whether it's easier to pick up bc it's brighter or bc there is more than just a small dot illuminated, I can't say. Or I can say, and it's both.

Having the adjustable parallax is nice but I found it a bit finicky just playing with it now from close to ~200 yards.

I don't want to talk too much about glass sharpness bc atm my eyes are tired and the scopes focus might be a bit off and so comments might be me vs the scopes.

I like the color/ light transmission in both.

I love the NF reticle. The March one is cool too

Value is subjective. But Im not sure the March is worth the cost. As much as I want to really support the product.

I will also add that while I dislike the ocular tube movement when zooming the ATACR, the image is flat and forgiving and feels bigger as compared to the NX8. (im not referencing specs, just my eyes' feeling). Whether *that* is worth it... But unless size is reeeaaaly important, if you were going to spend more, the ATACR feels an easier scope than the March.

I like the NF reticle more than the Vortex (which I have but hasn't been mounted for a while).

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

I don't have a nx8 to compare anything for you, but I do have a March 1-10 first gen with the custom mount, and I really like it. My dot is not quite as bright as the vortex razor gen 3 1-10 I previously owned, but brighter than the kahles 3gr k16i I still own.

I found the eye box on the March and the vortex to be about the same, while the SFP kahles had a larger one. I love the DFP feature of the March and the size and weight, which is why I settled on the March over the vortex.

I decided to try it out after reading and watching @koshkin review them, and I am glad I did. March optics seem to be polarizing though, so thr subjective nature of scopes really comes into play with the tradeoffs of the March design vs a more traditional scope.

 

[farwest]

Was the Trijicon Credo that you looked through a 1-10-28? I have used the Trijicon Credo 1-10-28 MIL for ten months. It has day light bright
illumination. The red is better than green, but both are day light bright.

 

[Jmeier1981]

Was the Trijicon Credo that you looked through a 1-10-28? I have used the Trijicon Credo 1-10-28 MIL for ten months. It has day light bright
illumination. The red is better than green, but both are day light bright.

Yes it was the 1-10× with the segmented circle around the crosshair... they out a brand new battery in it and I didn't think it was anywhere close to being considered daylight bright. I took it outside and on its brightest setting you could tell the center of the reticle didn't look black but you had to really strain to really notice the red. Not even in the same ball park as the NX8

 

[farwest]

Sorry you had a bad experience. My scope and all of the reviews that I read said that the Credo 1x10x28 is daylight bright.

 

[Ikeman83]

If you don't need an exposed windage Turret, the Kahles K18i-2 has a 5.6 mil exposed elevation turret option with zero stop.

 

[ut755ln]

Sorry you had a bad experience. My scope and all of the reviews that I read said that the Credo 1x10x28 is daylight bright.

I think it is semantics. If you have ever used an ACOG, the reticle can get so bright that it will wash out the target. People put electrical tape on the fiber element to limit the brightness. When you hear some people talk about daylight bright, they mean something like that.

 

[keenedge]

I sighted in an nx8 yesterday, was pretty impressed with it. can't speak to the March. I've had good luck with the Vortex stuff, the dot is daytime visible.

Same--I've had solid reliability and accuracy with Razor 1-6x. About 2 years ago, added an nx8 and now prefer that to the Vortex, though I still use the Vortex on another rifle. I don't have a 1-10x to compare. On my 5.56 rifles that are more general use or self defense, I don't feel a need for 10x optics so I don't really look for that, not to mention typically they're extra weight/cost.

 

[keenedge]

Was the Trijicon Credo that you looked through a 1-10-28? I have used the Trijicon Credo 1-10-28 MIL for ten months. It has day light bright
illumination. The red is better than green, but both are day light bright.

Interested to hear about your experience with the 1-10x28, since I've never tried a 1-10x optic yet. What kind of rifle setup are you using it with, what's the main use of the rifle? And, how did the Credo compare to your previous optics?

 

[TonyAngel]

Just to get the terms down, there is daylight noticeable, daylight bright and red dot bright. The NX8 1-8x is absolutely red dot bright. As far as I know (I haven't gotten my hands on the new RDB PLXc yet), the Nightforce NX8 and ATACR are the only FFP LPVOs with a red dot bright reticle.

In my search for the right LPVO for me, I narrowed my choices down to the Razor, Credo HX, PLXc and NX8. I bought them all. The NX8 with DMx reticle is the one I kept. It's small, light, robust, very bright reticle and good glass.

One caveat with the NX8 on models with exposed turrets. The reticle is well designed for holding, but sucks for dialing.

 

[ut755ln]

Just to get the terms down, there is daylight noticeable, daylight bright and red dot bright. The NX8 1-8x is absolutely red dot bright. As far as I know (I haven't gotten my hands on the new RDB PLXc yet), the Nightforce NX8 and ATACR are the only FFP LPVOs with a red dot bright reticle.

In my search for the right LPVO for me, I narrowed my choices down to the Razor, Credo HX, PLXc and NX8. I bought them all. The NX8 with DMx reticle is the one I kept. It's small, light, robust, very bright reticle and good glass.

One caveat with the NX8 on models with exposed turrets. The reticle is well designed for holding, but sucks for dialing.

Not all the PLX line are the same, the NOVA series are surface of the sun bright.

 

[TonyAngel]

Not all the PLX line are the same, the NOVA series are surface of the sun bright.

The PLX Nova is a completely different animal. It's a second focal plane scope. I thought we were talking about first focal plane scopes here.

If the OP is interested in a second focal plane scope and wants red dot bright, that's a whole different story. Vortex PST, Razor, Credo HX, if I remember right, the Tango 6T was pretty bright and all of these are better built, more robust, scopes than the PLXc.

 

[matt33]

I sighted in an nx8 yesterday, was pretty impressed with it. can't speak to the March. I've had good luck with the Vortex stuff, the dot is daytime visible.

That's wild, I also sighted in a NF NX8 1-8 yesterday. I'm incredibly impressed with it, especially the DMX reticle. It wasn't my expectation, but I shot a .4" 5 round while zeroing, it's certainly capable of great precision that exceeded my expectations.

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I had a vortex 1-10 out yesterday as well, both Optics exceed my expectations which are pretty high considering the price point. Both are outstanding.

I will say that I prefer that these are capped turrets, I do not dial, I use the reticle for all holds as I don't plan to shoot these beyond 650 or so.

Op, take negative reviews you read online with a grain of salt, these are both outstanding lpvo's if they fit your use case.

 

[LRRPF52]

I need a LPVO with daylight bright illumination and uncapped turrets... I've kinda narrowed it down to an NX8 or a March shorty.
Anybody played with them both, especially side by side, is the March worth the price difference

What are you putting it on, and what region/terrain do you have in your area or anticipated use areas?

I like the NX8 for compactness and lightweight. Exit pupil is a bit narrow on it, but not bad.

March Shorty is even smaller than the NX8, so it beats it in that regard.

My main interest is the compactness of LPVOs and whatever reticle they have, plus exit pupil, glass quality, and FOV.

I rarely/never use them on 1x, so my perspective is not the same as most.

I’m moving more to the MPVO space now because I don’t need 1x bottom end anyway.

With compact scopes, you sacrifice depth of field in the image presentation, something I have smashed up against as a hard reality.

 

[Jmeier1981]

What are you putting it on, and what region/terrain do you have in your area or anticipated use areas?

I like the NX8 for compactness and lightweight. Exit pupil is a bit narrow on it, but not bad.

March Shorty is even smaller than the NX8, so it beats it in that regard.

My main interest is the compactness of LPVOs and whatever reticle they have, plus exit pupil, glass quality, and FOV.

I rarely/never use them on 1x, so my perspective is not the same as most.

I’m moving more to the MPVO space now because I don’t need 1x bottom end anyway.

With compact scopes, you sacrifice depth of field in the image presentation, something I have smashed up against as a hard reality.

It's for a 9" 450bushmaster for deer hunting in anything from close range in heavy cover to 200ish yards in wide open terrain. It currently has a leupold VX-6 1-6× with a firedot reticle. The gun shoots 250g handload supers amazing, it shoots better groups at 100yds with a 6x scope than my 20" version with a 12x scope.
I carry it on a 2 point sling across my chest so I don't like carrying binos at the same time and I want a little more magnification to help glass/size up what I'm shooting. I want the uncapped tactical style turrets because I'm going to try and get a good sub load for it as well and want to be able to dial for those

 

[BurtG]

What’s your reasoning for dialing.


Vortex 1-10 works great. Better than an nx8 1-8 to me

 

[Jmeier1981]

What’s your reasoning for dialing.


Vortex 1-10 works great. Better than an nx8 1-8 to me

Shooting 450 bushmaster sub loads accurately at various ranges

 

[BurtG]

I’d be tempted to use a 2.5-10 NF with a red dot on top. Possibly a 4-16.

 

[BurtG]

Ooh that 2-10 ZCO would be sweet too


do it

 

[Jmeier1981]

I’d be tempted to use a 2.5-10 NF with a red dot on top. Possibly a 4-16.

Those are pretty big scopes for a 9" AR and I definitely want the lower power bottom end for up close shots in heavy cover

 

[BurtG]

Ahh 9” I’d use the nx8