It wasn't a oh wow moment... nor was it meant as a dig on them.Kind of. When you look at how much they were off ,not one was even 1% off.
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Join the contest SubscribeIt wasn't a oh wow moment... nor was it meant as a dig on them.Kind of. When you look at how much they were off ,not one was even 1% off.
I know, it’s all good manIt wasn't a oh wow moment... nor was it meant as a dig on them.
Guys this is not meant to be overly complex,
We teach a basic precision rifle class, we used to only test scopes during our PR 2 class because of the time it takes, and since we don't focus on software in PR 1, it's not exactly critical since we dope students out the old fashioned way. Any issues with scope tracking are included in the dope. So there is no issue, it's only if you are predicting and using software does this really show up. However, once we started seeing issues, and combined it with the fact we can catch the issues upfront like a reticle canted in the rings, it became smart for use to expand on this.
Time is the main driver, you have pulled every scope you can, make sure everything is plumb and square to the benches to test, and they test each scope. Going back to us not being able to see what the student sees, we can now go one on one with each student to mount the optic correctly.
Consider guys who are bladed off to the side, 5 degrees, 10, 15 degrees of body angle behind the rifle. That pushes your head closer to the scope. Or if you lower your bipod completely, lay on top of the rifle it pushes the scope forward. We set you up in a position, and a position we feel works for the individual. Is it a one and done for everyone, no, some students might require 3 changes over the weekend to adjust. They don't know what feels good, so after 50+ rounds they need a slight change.
All this moves your relationship to the scope. So we have to adjust the location on the pic rail.
This is a basic test, not some grand statement, that scope on that day performed this way. Or even better, On this day Marc saw this with this scope using our standard. We test all the same, and we feel if we see it with one, it should either show up with the others or at least we are doing them together and they all had an equal chance with the same guy.
You guys are getting too wrapped about the axle over this and now it's creating problems, in typical internet fashion you are taking it too far. If you are out there saying Buy an Athlon because a Zco had a .03 error (which is really just how the math worked out), why because maybe Marc saw an air gap, you're fucking up, and ruining it for everyone.
Basically the feedback, the questioning is making it so I won't post this again... this will be the last time. People can't be counted on to keep things in context, which hurts the overall effort.
Here we go.
The ZCO disnt do as well as i would have hoped / expected
doubtful even with the clarifications I made we'll do this again,
it just makes everything done look bad to post stupid ship like that ... not just them, but some other too,
Acting like you can pay $1500 because it tracked well and have something better than one at $3000 is crazy, there is more, the questions I was getting were terrible,
I can only blame myself for not writing it up like it reads now, I took a shortcut and ruined it
I apologize if my question about if you were seeing lateral slew with elevation adjustment added to messing up this thread.doubtful even with the clarifications I made we'll do this again,
it just makes everything done look bad to post stupid ship like that ... not just them, but some other too,
Acting like you can pay $1500 because it tracked well and have something better than one at $3000 is crazy, there is more, the questions I was getting were terrible,
I can only blame myself for not writing it up like it reads now, I took a shortcut and ruined it
The fact that there are so many questions, so much misunderstanding, and so many emotional statements relative to purchase decisions says that this data collection & transparent reporting needs to continue.
If I counted correctly, 138 scopes out of 150 were within the margin of error, and they were sourced from 21 manufacturers. Some 92%. That is incredible performance across a broad section of the market. Most manufacturers did an acceptable job versus the 2% standard.
Maybe those IOR fanboith, instead of running to Facebook, which by the way is the worst possible place on the internet for good information, should instead just run their own tall target tests. Then they’d know. But they didn’t. They ran to mouth breather corner to stroke each other off while not actually becoming any smarter. That alone speaks volumes.Don’t worry. One of the IOR boys us claiming on FB y’all got paid by vortex.
Sign up for a class and bring one!Good job Frank, kinda disappointed that there wasn't a Steiner M5 series?
Off topic but curious if they were Park Service HRT types of more nuisance animal sharp shooterswe had a bigger class of Parks Service Guys with them,
Park RangersOff topic but curious if they were Park Service HRT types of more nuisance animal sharp shooters
This!Too bad, it was great little right up. Thanks I enjoyed it. There are probably a lot people adjusting B.C and velocity when they need a solver that lets them adjust tracking error. Its pretty cool our inputs for our solvers are getting so accurate, this has become a thing.
Is that available for purchase somewhere ?Here is our scale from @Jackmaster on here, he laminated us a Mil & MOA scale that we use, the scale is also leveled with a 4ft Level which gives us a view of the reticle so we can check plumb,
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The internet warriors broke it, so now I have to fix it, and based on that, odds are I won't do this again.
If you havent noticed.....the dumb fucks greatly outnumber the ones capable of independent thought. Surrounded on all sides.Man, why do all you dumb fucks got to go and shit on everyone's ham sandwich? Frank and Marc compile invaluable and unbiased data, then share it with everyone, then all the window licking Dur Hurrrs got to go and fuck a great thread all the way up. "wElL wHaT aBoUt ThIs...."
Smh
Yea and most people don't understand they have one of the most dangerous jobs, many times with backup hours away at best if you even have radio service.Park Rangers