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16-18 inch shorty rifles
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Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gstaylorg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a DTA SRS Covert. I purchased both the 16" 8-twist that is standard for the Covert, as well as the 22" 11-twist barrel that is standard for the full-sized SRS. Directly comparing MVs for both barrels, I was pleasantly surprised to find that the 16" pipe was only losing 75-100 fps to the 22". So the 16" can push 175 SMKs at around 2500-2550 fps with temps in the 20-40 degree range, probably a little faster when it's warmer. If interested, I posted a more detailed report a while back:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1597047&page=16
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I would love to try one of these!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gstaylorg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a DTA SRS Covert. I purchased both the 16" 8-twist that is standard for the Covert, as well as the 22" 11-twist barrel that is standard for the full-sized SRS. Directly comparing MVs for both barrels, I was pleasantly surprised to find that the 16" pipe was only losing 75-100 fps to the 22". So the 16" can push 175 SMKs at around 2500-2550 fps with temps in the 20-40 degree range, probably a little faster when it's warmer. If interested, I posted a more detailed report a while back:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1597047&page=16
I would love to try one of these!!
Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
Might as well post my own. 17.5" of pure pleasure!
and it's for sale: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3039342
Might as well post my own. 17.5" of pure pleasure!
and it's for sale: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3039342
Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">18.5" Savage 6.5 creedmoor. Should have my gauges tomorrow, then to the range for some velocity testing.
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Great build cjgemm, you went for the exact rifle I'm going to be building as my general purpose bolt gun. Your rifle inspired me to go ahead and pick up the A1-3 instead of the HTG/M40. I prefer the wider forearm for off-hand and moving shots.
Nice addition of the mono-pod on the rear sling swivel. Thanks for the contribution, great minds think alike!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">18.5" Savage 6.5 creedmoor. Should have my gauges tomorrow, then to the range for some velocity testing.
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Great build cjgemm, you went for the exact rifle I'm going to be building as my general purpose bolt gun. Your rifle inspired me to go ahead and pick up the A1-3 instead of the HTG/M40. I prefer the wider forearm for off-hand and moving shots.
Nice addition of the mono-pod on the rear sling swivel. Thanks for the contribution, great minds think alike!
Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dantrom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gstaylorg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a DTA SRS Covert. I purchased both the 16" 8-twist that is standard for the Covert, as well as the 22" 11-twist barrel that is standard for the full-sized SRS. Directly comparing MVs for both barrels, I was pleasantly surprised to find that the 16" pipe was only losing 75-100 fps to the 22". So the 16" can push 175 SMKs at around 2500-2550 fps with temps in the 20-40 degree range, probably a little faster when it's warmer. If interested, I posted a more detailed report a while back:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1597047&page=16
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I would love to try one of these!!</div></div>
Not without two sets of ear plugs you don't.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dantrom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gstaylorg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a DTA SRS Covert. I purchased both the 16" 8-twist that is standard for the Covert, as well as the 22" 11-twist barrel that is standard for the full-sized SRS. Directly comparing MVs for both barrels, I was pleasantly surprised to find that the 16" pipe was only losing 75-100 fps to the 22". So the 16" can push 175 SMKs at around 2500-2550 fps with temps in the 20-40 degree range, probably a little faster when it's warmer. If interested, I posted a more detailed report a while back:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1597047&page=16
I would love to try one of these!!</div></div>
Not without two sets of ear plugs you don't.
Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Terry Cross</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
18" Krieger 1-11". Done a bunch of these and they throw GM308M over 2600f.p.s. </div></div>
You need to build some for us peons over here, sir.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Terry Cross</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
18" Krieger 1-11". Done a bunch of these and they throw GM308M over 2600f.p.s. </div></div>
You need to build some for us peons over here, sir.
Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
This 308 started at 26 inches. I then cut it down to 20" and just yesterday with the spirit of going green and down sizing I bobbed it down to 16 inches.
This 308 started at 26 inches. I then cut it down to 20" and just yesterday with the spirit of going green and down sizing I bobbed it down to 16 inches.
Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
Another couple of inches off the end and you'll be playing in my neighborhood. Been saying for a long time how well these short barrels will shoot. Left a short note over on Specialty Pistol how you guys are going shorter and some of them are putting 20" to 27" and even longer barrels on their "Pistols".
I'm happy at 15" and find no problems out to 1000 yards, just a few more clicks in the scope and we're good to go. The short stiff barrels seem to work pretty darn good. Just finding it amusing how each is experimenting in the opposite direction.
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Another couple of inches off the end and you'll be playing in my neighborhood. Been saying for a long time how well these short barrels will shoot. Left a short note over on Specialty Pistol how you guys are going shorter and some of them are putting 20" to 27" and even longer barrels on their "Pistols".
I'm happy at 15" and find no problems out to 1000 yards, just a few more clicks in the scope and we're good to go. The short stiff barrels seem to work pretty darn good. Just finding it amusing how each is experimenting in the opposite direction.
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Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
Here's my contribution. An 18" Savage 10 put together for me by Jon @ Area419 Fabrication....
Still waiting on my USO SN3 1.8-10 TPAL to replace my ST10 I just sold
Here is a 7 shot group that I shot with it two weeks ago. 43.2gr Varget with a 175gr SMK
Here's my contribution. An 18" Savage 10 put together for me by Jon @ Area419 Fabrication....
Still waiting on my USO SN3 1.8-10 TPAL to replace my ST10 I just sold
Here is a 7 shot group that I shot with it two weeks ago. 43.2gr Varget with a 175gr SMK
Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dantrom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 18" bartlein trued Remington. built by Black Ops Precision.
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What size USO is this? 5-25 or 3.2-17? Looks sexy on there!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dantrom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 18" bartlein trued Remington. built by Black Ops Precision.
What size USO is this? 5-25 or 3.2-17? Looks sexy on there!
Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
I'm loving these shorty rifles. I find that short rifles are more functional and they still work fantastic within realistic distances for any purpose 99% of us will ever use them for.
I was planning a 20 inch build but now I am considering going even shorter...down to 18.
When looking at the numbers I really just don't see where I'm giving up that much performance....especially when you consider the functionality gains of a shorter rifle package in the first place.
I'm looking forward to contributing to this thread shortly.
I'm loving these shorty rifles. I find that short rifles are more functional and they still work fantastic within realistic distances for any purpose 99% of us will ever use them for.
I was planning a 20 inch build but now I am considering going even shorter...down to 18.
When looking at the numbers I really just don't see where I'm giving up that much performance....especially when you consider the functionality gains of a shorter rifle package in the first place.
I'm looking forward to contributing to this thread shortly.
Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tkellogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here's my contribution. An 18" Savage 10 put together for me by Jon @ Area419 Fabrication....
Still waiting on my USO SN3 1.8-10 TPAL to replace my ST10 I just sold
Here is a 7 shot group that I shot with it two weeks ago. 43.2gr Varget with a 175gr SMK
</div></div> very nice , i'm gearing up for build close to this i would like to hear some more info about you rifle ! bottom metal ? mag? stock? looks great !i think im gonna go with 10 pc in .223 and have it cut to 16.25''
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tkellogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here's my contribution. An 18" Savage 10 put together for me by Jon @ Area419 Fabrication....
Still waiting on my USO SN3 1.8-10 TPAL to replace my ST10 I just sold
Here is a 7 shot group that I shot with it two weeks ago. 43.2gr Varget with a 175gr SMK
Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
Here's one of mine. Remington 700 .300 Blackout with a Shilen SS 16" heavy varmint barrel with 1:8" twist. Take off LTR stock. Topped with a 20 MOA EGW base and Bushnell 3200 10x Tactical scope.
Donor rifle started out as a SPS Varmint in .17FB. Chose this chambering for it's reliability in extracting and ejecting smaller cases. Everything has worked flawless so far.
Here's one of mine. Remington 700 .300 Blackout with a Shilen SS 16" heavy varmint barrel with 1:8" twist. Take off LTR stock. Topped with a 20 MOA EGW base and Bushnell 3200 10x Tactical scope.
Donor rifle started out as a SPS Varmint in .17FB. Chose this chambering for it's reliability in extracting and ejecting smaller cases. Everything has worked flawless so far.
Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dantrom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 18" bartlein trued Remington. built by Black Ops Precision.
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very nice sleek and classic looking
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dantrom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 18" bartlein trued Remington. built by Black Ops Precision.
very nice sleek and classic looking
Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Might as well post my own. 17.5" of pure pleasure!
and it's for sale: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3039342 </div></div>
Loving the gun, but who made the barrel on it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Might as well post my own. 17.5" of pure pleasure!
and it's for sale: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3039342 </div></div>
Loving the gun, but who made the barrel on it.
Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
You must not like it enough to read his post
This is from the link where he said "it's for sale" that is about 1 inch above your post
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body">17.5 inch Krieger/ABS barrel with a .308 Match chamber. The barrel is threaded 5/8x24 for a supressor.
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You must not like it enough to read his post
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body">17.5 inch Krieger/ABS barrel with a .308 Match chamber. The barrel is threaded 5/8x24 for a supressor.
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Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
There are a lot of nice rifles in this thread. Thanks for the inspiration, I think I know what my next project will be now. I've looked at some LTRs in gun shops and liked the handiness of the rifles with their 20" tubes, I can only imagine what a few more inches removed would do.
There are a lot of nice rifles in this thread. Thanks for the inspiration, I think I know what my next project will be now. I've looked at some LTRs in gun shops and liked the handiness of the rifles with their 20" tubes, I can only imagine what a few more inches removed would do.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ridgeback80</div><div class="ubbcode-body">very nice , i'm gearing up for build close to this i would like to hear some more info about you rifle ! bottom metal ? mag? stock? looks great !i think im gonna go with 10 pc in .223 and have it cut to 16.25'' </div></div>
Bottom metal is from accurate mag fits the factory BM outline and uses AICS mags. The stock is a B&C medalist A2 that was cut out to fit the DBM by jon addis. If you have any other questions PM me
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ridgeback80</div><div class="ubbcode-body">very nice , i'm gearing up for build close to this i would like to hear some more info about you rifle ! bottom metal ? mag? stock? looks great !i think im gonna go with 10 pc in .223 and have it cut to 16.25'' </div></div>
Bottom metal is from accurate mag fits the factory BM outline and uses AICS mags. The stock is a B&C medalist A2 that was cut out to fit the DBM by jon addis. If you have any other questions PM me
Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redirt78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You must not like it enough to read his post
This is from the link where he said "it's for sale" that is about 1 inch above your post
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body">17.5 inch Krieger/ABS barrel with a .308 Match chamber. The barrel is threaded 5/8x24 for a supressor.
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I know it is a ABS wrapped barrel. I just wanted to know who wraped the barrel because the only ABS barrels I have seen have come from Jensen precision or Christensen tactical, and that barrel doesn't look like it came from eighter of them.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redirt78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You must not like it enough to read his post
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body">17.5 inch Krieger/ABS barrel with a .308 Match chamber. The barrel is threaded 5/8x24 for a supressor.
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I know it is a ABS wrapped barrel. I just wanted to know who wraped the barrel because the only ABS barrels I have seen have come from Jensen precision or Christensen tactical, and that barrel doesn't look like it came from eighter of them.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sab9259</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dantrom-
What sling is that?</div></div>
TAB GEAR biathalon sling
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sab9259</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dantrom-
What sling is that?</div></div>
TAB GEAR biathalon sling
Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.Smith</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dantrom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 18" bartlein trued Remington. built by Black Ops Precision.
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What size USO is this? 5-25 or 3.2-17? Looks sexy on there!</div></div>
3-17 I like it very much, thank you!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.Smith</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dantrom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 18" bartlein trued Remington. built by Black Ops Precision.
What size USO is this? 5-25 or 3.2-17? Looks sexy on there!</div></div>
3-17 I like it very much, thank you!
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Got a better pic of that barrel??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Here's one of mine. Remington 700 .300 Blackout with a Shilen SS 16" heavy varmint barrel with 1:8" twist. Take off LTR stock. Topped with a 20 MOA EGW base and Bushnell 3200 10x Tactical scope.
Donor rifle started out as a SPS Varmint in .17FB. Chose this chambering for it's reliability in extracting and ejecting smaller cases. Everything has worked flawless so far. </div></div>
Got a better pic of that barrel??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Here's one of mine. Remington 700 .300 Blackout with a Shilen SS 16" heavy varmint barrel with 1:8" twist. Take off LTR stock. Topped with a 20 MOA EGW base and Bushnell 3200 10x Tactical scope.
Donor rifle started out as a SPS Varmint in .17FB. Chose this chambering for it's reliability in extracting and ejecting smaller cases. Everything has worked flawless so far. </div></div>
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I've got an 18" BlackOps Precision Infidel sitting at the FFL now... I wanted to pick it up today but that didn't happen, hoping I have the opportunity tomorrow. Planning to shoot it this weekend.
I've got an 18" BlackOps Precision Infidel sitting at the FFL now... I wanted to pick it up today but that didn't happen, hoping I have the opportunity tomorrow. Planning to shoot it this weekend.
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dangit you guys have cost me some money again!!! gonna chop my barrel even more!! lol
dangit you guys have cost me some money again!!! gonna chop my barrel even more!! lol
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Just picked this one up today...
Black Ops Precision Infidel in 308. 18" barrel.
I'll get some better pictures soon.
Just picked this one up today...
Black Ops Precision Infidel in 308. 18" barrel.
I'll get some better pictures soon.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DrDeath</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got a better pic of that barrel??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Here's one of mine. Remington 700 .300 Blackout with a Shilen SS 16" heavy varmint barrel with 1:8" twist. Take off LTR stock. Topped with a 20 MOA EGW base and Bushnell 3200 10x Tactical scope.
Donor rifle started out as a SPS Varmint in .17FB. Chose this chambering for it's reliability in extracting and ejecting smaller cases. Everything has worked flawless so far. </div></div> </div></div>
Sure, here ya go...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DrDeath</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got a better pic of that barrel??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Here's one of mine. Remington 700 .300 Blackout with a Shilen SS 16" heavy varmint barrel with 1:8" twist. Take off LTR stock. Topped with a 20 MOA EGW base and Bushnell 3200 10x Tactical scope.
Donor rifle started out as a SPS Varmint in .17FB. Chose this chambering for it's reliability in extracting and ejecting smaller cases. Everything has worked flawless so far. </div></div> </div></div>
Sure, here ya go...
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Plane jane .243 Youth. Designated truck gun. Running 105gr Hunting VLDs at 2700fps pretty nice package.
Plane jane .243 Youth. Designated truck gun. Running 105gr Hunting VLDs at 2700fps pretty nice package.
Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: julle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ejd049</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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This is sweet! Whats the weight? </div></div>
Thanks, it is right at 13lbs on the bathroom scales.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: julle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ejd049</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This is sweet! Whats the weight? </div></div>
Thanks, it is right at 13lbs on the bathroom scales.
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Blackops 2, your rifle is too long for this thread. My pants just got looser haha, this is the 16-18" snub nose thread.
Blackops 2, your rifle is too long for this thread. My pants just got looser haha, this is the 16-18" snub nose thread.
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How? The barrel is 18" it might look longer in the pic but it's most certainly not
How? The barrel is 18" it might look longer in the pic but it's most certainly not
Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
This is my old Tikka T3 Lite coyote rifle in .243 that I had cut down to 16 1/2" and a Vias micro brake installed. Worked great on yotes,fox,bobcat,rabbit,etc., out to 300 yards or so.
This is my old Tikka T3 Lite coyote rifle in .243 that I had cut down to 16 1/2" and a Vias micro brake installed. Worked great on yotes,fox,bobcat,rabbit,etc., out to 300 yards or so.
Re: 16-18 inch shorty rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith at PCR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cigarcop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 18"
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Now look at those barrel flutes! </div></div>damn sexy gun porn and some people think them short barrels cant shoot over 300 yds ...i heard this crap for years with todays powders etc dumb rasses !
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith at PCR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cigarcop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 18"
Now look at those barrel flutes! </div></div>damn sexy gun porn and some people think them short barrels cant shoot over 300 yds ...i heard this crap for years with todays powders etc dumb rasses !
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I decided to try out the DTA SRS since I was looking for a compact bolt gun. I haven't shot it yet so I'm not sure how I'm going to like it, but the size is great. Mine is the standard SRS with a 22" 308 barrel. Below are pictures comparing the SRS to my AIAW with a 20" barrel and Mk12 with an 18" barrel.
I decided to try out the DTA SRS since I was looking for a compact bolt gun. I haven't shot it yet so I'm not sure how I'm going to like it, but the size is great. Mine is the standard SRS with a 22" 308 barrel. Below are pictures comparing the SRS to my AIAW with a 20" barrel and Mk12 with an 18" barrel.
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^^^ Not exactly 16"-18" but we'll forgive you.
That 11" barrelled .223 looks sexy as Hell. Is that a LTR stock on the rifle? What's the brand of the barrel & supressor you're using?
I bet it's fairly noisey without the supressor. I was considering a 6x45mm (6mm/.223) SBR for a future project.
Cool beans man.
^^^ Not exactly 16"-18" but we'll forgive you.
That 11" barrelled .223 looks sexy as Hell. Is that a LTR stock on the rifle? What's the brand of the barrel & supressor you're using?
I bet it's fairly noisey without the supressor. I was considering a 6x45mm (6mm/.223) SBR for a future project.
Cool beans man.
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The last pic in my post above, from left to right: 18", 16", 20", 11", and 16"
Pac-nor super match is whats on my little .223 with an AAC spr/m4. Yes, with no can it makes your insides hurt.
The last pic in my post above, from left to right: 18", 16", 20", 11", and 16"
Pac-nor super match is whats on my little .223 with an AAC spr/m4. Yes, with no can it makes your insides hurt.
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ptaylor: your 11" build makes me happy inside. I think those snubnose rifles are coming out of the woodwork on this forum and telling me I need one...
ptaylor: your 11" build makes me happy inside. I think those snubnose rifles are coming out of the woodwork on this forum and telling me I need one...
