.22 creedmoor fad or just starting

[Taylorbok]

I've been shooting 90gr berger vld in my 24" 7tw 22 creed. Original load that shot best was 43.1gr 4831sc@ 3220. It sped up and I had to back down to 42.4 to get down to 3225 again. It sped up again to 3350, downloaded to 40.2gr to sit at 3225fps. No pressure signs on brass at 3350 but I would have a few clickers on bolt opening and 3225fps was crazy accurate and fast enough. I'm at 175rds on the barrel so I hope it's settled in and will maintain that speed till it starts slowing down.

That's the same combo I'm shooting. IIRC I'm around 41gr. First barrel started tearing jackets off around 600 rounds and couldn't get it to stop

 

[6brshooter]

That's the same combo I'm shooting. IIRC I'm around 41gr. First barrel started tearing jackets off around 600 rounds and couldn't get it to stop

Good data point. I was hoping to maybe see 800-1k rds but that might be super optimistic. My 2nd 22creed is a pva solus barreled action and I went with an 8tw, 75eldm@3450. My opinion on 22 creed is that the speed/fast tw(7+)/ heavy bullets is a very small operating window. I was blowing up 95smk and some were landing sideways at 3050-3200. In my head, if I'm gonna run a sub 3000fps, I'd just as soon do it in a 22br/dasher or 22gt. The 8tw has been very mild mannered and so far haven't saw a need to retune load. I will say the 75eldm are wicked on beanfield doe kill tags.

I also pushed it to 1365yds the other day. Wind was mild, about 1-1.4mils for wind and 12.5mils drop. Shooter was showing it was mid 1000fps and in the red at that distance. All bullets landed predictably with any deviation being right or left from missed wind call. Apparently the 75eldm handle going transonic well

 

[Taylorbok]

Other thing I've thought about is a 6mm PRC and really throwing the screws to a 109gr Berger.
I'm sure that would be good medicine for Coyotes, not gonna be a volume cartridge either.

 

[dk17hmr]

Oh don't get me wrong. There's been a few who do push the 22cm at insane speeds. I think I've seen on one occasion 3500 to 3700fps (it was a long time and I can't recall exaxtly) with one of the heavier bullets. But I'm mostly seeing lower speeds from most others lol. Just look a few posts above for the 88s at 3000fps example. That's about 22BRA territory.

A lot are loading it slower and to me, I just don't see it viable that way. That's all. The more I think about it, the more I want that 22bra or dasher lol.

If you are referring to my post I loaded and fired the first 100 rounds through my barrel/brass fairly low. To get things settled in. I generally do that and my kids and I shoot pdogs and steel with it before I bother working up faster charge. 3200+ with an 85.5 wasnt hard to achieve and I'm leaving velocity on the table.

 

[gopherslayer]

Hornady has the 100gr ELD-VT that is listed at 3200 fps out of a 24" barrel.

I use 100gr NBT from my 260s. 3150 from a 20” barrel is easy. I’m between 3450 and 3500 from my 28” 260, I need to chronograph it again as I never wrote down the velocity. The load really smacks a deer. All the latest buzzwords of tissue damage and wound channels apply.

I’m loading some at the moment for a couple of my 6.5 CMs. I still have over 400 100gr Amax on the shelf that I was using for reduced plinkers. I should load some full house loads and let one rip for doe season.

 

[6brshooter]

Other thing I've thought about is a 6mm PRC and really throwing the screws to a 109gr Berger.
I'm sure that would be good medicine for Coyotes, not gonna be a volume cartridge either.

Night sniper on here uses a 6prc for thermal yote killing. I'd think a 10ish twist with a 75ish gr vmax or 70gr smk and 6prc speed would be awesome at night as a point and click rig where dialing is gonna be tough and be pretty flat to 340-400ish. Maybe 300ish zero and have no more than 3" above or below poa.

Edit: not sure what his tw and bulket choice is, the specifics above were me spitballing.

 

[Mark McIntire]

The easy button 22 creed is to buy an 8 twist tikka 22-250 and have it opened up to 22 creed. I have 2 that are like that and they shoot comically well. I did an 18 inch one as light as I could set it up and it did a .8 inch 10 round group in load testing.

That is what I had done as well, based on recommendations of several posts I had seen to economically get into a 22 creed. I don't know much about rechambering a barrel, but the "gunsmith" that did mine ended up shortening the barrel about 2". These two inches came off of the chamber end of the rifle. Is that normal when rechambering a rifle or did ne mess up on the first attempt and then cut the barrel shorter and start over and rechamber it?? I didn't notice till after I got the gun home and have been too mad to go back and ask him if he messed up. The gun shoots pretty good 1/2-3/4" 5 shot groups with 65 gr Sierra gamekings, but I would like two more inches of barrel to get me a little more speed.

 

[Taylorbok]

That is what I had done as well, based on recommendations of several posts I had seen to economically get into a 22 creed. I don't know much about rechambering a barrel, but the "gunsmith" that did mine ended up shortening the barrel about 2". These two inches came off of the chamber end of the rifle. Is that normal when rechambering a rifle or did ne mess up on the first attempt and then cut the barrel shorter and start over and rechamber it?? I didn't notice till after I got the gun home and have been too mad to go back and ask him if he messed up. The gun shoots pretty good 1/2-3/4" 5 shot groups with 65 gr Sierra gamekings, but I would like two more inches of barrel to get me a little more speed.

I'd say he fucked something up because a CM chamber should clean out the existing 22-250 chamber, There's no sense cutting a tenon when it's already there for you

 

[RegionRat]

That is what I had done as well, based on recommendations of several posts I had seen to economically get into a 22 creed. I don't know much about rechambering a barrel, but the "gunsmith" that did mine ended up shortening the barrel about 2". These two inches came off of the chamber end of the rifle. Is that normal when rechambering a rifle or did ne mess up on the first attempt and then cut the barrel shorter and start over and rechamber it?? I didn't notice till after I got the gun home and have been too mad to go back and ask him if he messed up. The gun shoots pretty good 1/2-3/4" 5 shot groups with 65 gr Sierra gamekings, but I would like two more inches of barrel to get me a little more speed.

He really shouldn't have any issues with answering your questions.

If he messed up an attempt, it still wouldn't take 2" to clean it up unless he had trouble with the threads, and even then it doesn't take two inches. Another reason could be that he wanted to get clear of a hardened throat.

When a well used gun is dissected and checked in a lab, you will find the condition of the metal where the throat is worn to be somewhat carbonized and harder than normal.

If he wanted to get into healthy metal, he may have just taken a swag at moving forward to avoid the reamer hitting that worn zone and making a mess. Again, this is just a potential reason that comes up, we have no way of knowing why or what he did to yours. Sometimes you can't move forward two inches because of the bbl profile where it might not have enough diameter.

Maybe count to 10 and cool off, then give them a ring and see what they say.
YMMV

 

[6brshooter]

I'm wondering if he needed a fresh start for a piloted reamer? My Smith rechambered a 6.5x47 2013 barrel to 6.5prc without needing to recut threads or tenon shoulder. I'd say your guy messed up felt he needed the pilot in the bore and cut old chamber off. Surprised there was enough meat left for shoulder.

 

[Mark McIntire]

He really shouldn't have any issues with answering your questions.

If he messed up an attempt, it still wouldn't take 2" to clean it up unless he had trouble with the threads, and even then it doesn't take two inches. Another reason could be that he wanted to get clear of a hardened throat.

When a well used gun is dissected and checked in a lab, you will find the condition of the metal where the throat is worn to be somewhat carbonized and harder than normal.

If he wanted to get into healthy metal, he may have just taken a swag at moving forward to avoid the reamer hitting that worn zone and making a mess. Again, this is just a potential reason that comes up, we have no way of knowing why or what he did to yours. Sometimes you can't move forward two inches because of the bbl profile where it might not have enough diameter.

Maybe count to 10 and cool off, then give them a ring and see what they say.
YMMV

Thanks for good advice, I will stop in and see what he says. It was a brand new gun I purchased just to try and economically get a 22 CM.

My 14 year old daughter started deer hunting 4 years ago and she was very recoil shy so I let her start with my 22-250. I have always thought 22 cal was too small for deer but I know others have had good luck on deer so I thought I would let her try. Well after 5 bang, flop, dead deer (1 really nice 4x4 at 240 yards), I was convinced that a 22-250 with 55 grain SP is adequate for deer. I then saw all the 22 CM buzz and thought it would be flatter and harder hitting than 22-250 with still very mild recoil so might be even better for deer. That is why i wanted to try the 22 CM.

 

[Heretic]

Any good pre-fits out there? Looking to put one together and it seems like they aren't very popular yet.

I got my 22CM from Northland Shooters supply. Gauges, tools, barrel nut, recoil lugs, has it all.

 

[dirtybores]

22 Creed is here to stay for me. If the oppressors take it from me, I'll go back to 22-250 like always. But dang...what a good caliber!

 

[stello1001]

22 Creed is here to stay for me. If the oppressors take it from me, I'll go back to 22-250 like always. But dang...what a good caliber!

Good stuff!

I think you can even shoot 22-250 in 22cm chamber and fireform it.

 

[CA48]

I’ve ran several 22-250 factory ammos through my creed. It’s runs fine and the case comes out .004” shorter than 22creed brass. 50gr vmax superperformance at 3550 in an 18”