22 creedmoor

[D̷e̷v̷i̷l̷D̷o̷c̷A̷Z̷]

Pretty sure that is machining marks in my bolt face on the Desert Tech bolt. They tend to not have a very nice finish, and as you can see by the massive primer crater... they don't seem to like having a good fitment between firing pin and its hole either.

Hey it still shoots!

I was just inquiring to ensure I wasn’t missing anything.

I was not trying to criticize the platform.

Thanks for the info. I look forward to wearing out my current brass.

 

[orkan]

I was not trying to criticize the platform.

Hey it still shoots!

I understand... I was criticizing it. lol I like nice fitting firing pin holes.

TS Customs built Benchmark barrel in here... it definitely shoots!

 

[LoanHarvey]

Following!!

 

[orkan]

 

[Landon4]

Anyone here shooting a 22 creed with a short barrel like 18-20” I’m curious what kind of velocity others are getting with the shorter barrels

 

[n00g7]

This was great, both lasted a long time. Haven’t got my build together yet, but AFIK and based on Peterson’s pressure data, that 41.5-7ish of H4350 behind a 80gr would be a relatively stout charge.

Definitely no worries from the LRP brass though given:
45 firings off the Alpha -> Split neck
52 firings off the Peterson -> Stopped due to being near case head separation.

I’ll take either... when I find something in stock.

 

[Scooby-93]

22 Creed is turning out to be my favorite cartridge so far.

75gr Hornady ELD-M
VV N550
40.6gr
CCI 200
3650fps
Krieger, 1:8 twist, 28inch
190 rounds
0.26MOA best grouping at 200 meters so far.

Is that SRP brass? where did you find max velocity at with the n550?

 

[BigSkyRF]

Has anyone tried 6.5 staball with a 75 ELDM? little on the slow side but what if it was run with a hefty dose?

 

[Kocher]

Took the dive into uncharted territory today: 6mm creedmoor brass - necked to 22 creedmoor.
this is went things have gone off the rails.. I heard of the dreaded Donut, but though if I went in steps. (6mm c fls to 260 NS, to 252 ish NS ) all would be good.. Nope!

lip is 251
Shoulder is 257!
1.82 in from lip is 255. This is on the edge of the donut .

 

[Kocher]

Second part of the adventure is picking up a K&m neck turner...
The 22 caliber arbor will not work in other words if your neck down your brass ready to load a bullet like with a 252 it will be too small so you have to neck it down less... try a 260 hmm too big! Try a 251. Too small! Crap... back to the loading Shop. should have purchased the The K&M Press Adapter so I can use the K&M Expand mandrels ... but that would be only if I knew what I was doing... yeah right.
I should’ve picked something like that up along time ago and I would’ve helped when case trimming. Wow, what do you know I actually learned something today.

 

[Kocher]

I’ll go back tomorrow and pick up the mandrels. Something I noticed , the reloading store is pretty much empty, because they really don’t have anything to sell so people. No one can actually load up and shoot anymoor! Noprimers, and powder. Hell no cases or bullets.
Side note, I was in the hospital for three days getting IV antibiotics, and out from work for a week now due to a infection in my hand.. No known cause...
Honestly it’s been the most painful thing I’ve ever went through .. when your finger swells like that there’s nowhere for the swelling to go. Doctors told me they got the most calls about uncontrolled pain at night, when people had hand injuries than they did even with total knees and hips, backs ect.
Anyway..will post more when it gets all picked up and done..
I wish I would’ve just looked on the forum for some ready to go 22creedmoor brass.. did not want the added expense and labor right now
By the way, the 6mm brass i necked down was the Nosler ready to load 50pieces.

 

[Kocher]

Has anyone tried 6.5 staball with a 75 ELDM? little on the slow side but what if it was run with a hefty dose?

I almost picked some up couple months ago for my 6.5 CM @MIDWAY when they had some, but I didn’t plan on shooting that when I would be using only Varmit rounds and had plenty of that type of powder... who knew, I would be picking up a 22CM barrel for gas gun.
If you have some, give it a go. It’s not like you can just go pick up a different powder to use, unless you work at a Hodgdon, or other manufacture. Word is that Alliant is not bringing powder for any of the reloading stores near me, But the Swedes have been talking to dealers and delivering Vihtavuori.
Going to try N555 in the 22CM... because it is about all I have for heavies. Will try 60-80 gr Bullets with varget/ big game, superformance, SW Long Rifle.

 

[Kocher]

Well the 22 expansion arbor worked like a charm...
Something to note never assume that you’re reloading dies were assembled, that they were actually done correctly.

I found out why my cases didn’t turn straight when I was turning them on the case turner.... the picture it pretty much explains.. not sure if this is done in an automatic machine or if it’s done there by somebody manually either way they screwed up and either I’ll send it to the factory or send back

The threads are toast

 

[Kocher]

Tried 64 grain game changers and 88eld’s.
Loaded with big game a SW long rifle.
Both showed heavy brass swiping aroun 38-40 grains for both bullets.
I am testing today with big game only with reduced loads.
I may have a very tight chamber?
I used magnum primers. My Krono battery was dead .
All of the bullets made it down range and very accurate. don’t want to kill the brass w/o knowing the velocities.
This is a gas gun FYI

 

[nealm66]

Tagging in

 

[Kocher]

For those that have questions about fire forming 22-250 for 22 creedmoor: Or loading it up for your normal 22-250 and throw it in with your 22 CM ammo and let it rip (that by accident) either way you decide to do it ..survived and turned out just fine. And I think accuracy was of no issue.
I included pictures: the first 2 Picts are unfired 6 mm neck down to 22 next to the fired formed 22-250 federal. (Note the dirty neck on the fired case)

The other pictures: 22-250 FF and reloaded , next to a 22 CM necked down and turned, 1-fired, and reloaded case..
22-250 FF case is slightly shorter
Tried to be as detailed as possible hopefully not boring you.

in hindsight it’s possible that I did not need to turn the donut out of the case as it seems that loading these bullets are not seated to the point where it touches the donut.. I did not take any chances, as I figured the gas gun would be sensitive to pressures anyway.

btw. This 2 gen old iPhone can not do close up shots to save its life and my SLR took a crash landing when walking around some Mayan temples.. my mama should’ve told me not to wear flip-flops.
you’ll just have to click on it and zoom in and you should be able to see the detail

 

[Kocher]

Sounds like you need a 3buc brass catcher on your rig and increase your brass recovery.

Those do nothing but cause jams and FtoF’s.
$300 in gas, $3000 Shooting rig, countless hours of load development, four days of vacation used, 18 hour total Drive time, Missed a chance for follow up shot coyote on the run due to a jam caused by $15 brass catcher=Priceless

 

[Kocher]

I could see the use of one of those brass catchers that looks like a enlarged by 20 baseball catchers mitt if you’re shooting prairie dogs and you’ve got a bench set up

 

[orkan]

Gas guns...

Yuck.

 

[Kocher]

Gas guns...

Yuck.

Yeah no kidding especially when I feed them refried beans

 

[Huckleberry75]

Those do nothing but cause jams and FtoF’s.
$300 in gas, $3000 Shooting rig, countless hours of load development, four days of vacation used, 18 hour total Drive time, Missed a chance for follow up shot coyote on the run due to a jam caused by $15 brass catcher=Priceless

Before you jump to a conclusion about this brass catcher, you might want to research what you are disregarding. The 3buc is not like the other cheap net bags and velcro strap POS catchers.

 

[Kocher]

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Before you jump to a conclusion about this brass catcher, you might want to research what you are disregarding. The 3buc is not like the other cheap net bags and velcro strap POS catchers.

i had a feeling that it wasn’t a slang for those strap ons that are at fleet farms and midway. Ex: original purchaser pays 15$ for a brass catcher realizing it isn’t what he had hoped for sells it for the cheap. Guy number 2 picks it up for next to nothing “ I paid 3 bucks for this brass strap on brass catcher”.
Hence the slang “3buck” bras catcher.
Or an omition/typo “3buc” brass catcher.

 

[Kocher]

FYI most brass catcher’s like the 3 Bucc and also the Cadwell fenced in with the braces, do not allow enough space between the attachment point and alignment with the ejection port.
The picture shows with the three Bucc, he had to use flat tall scope mounts. 90% of ARs do not have that style they have a forward one piece . You then have jams, ect as I stated in my original post.

it may work for a 1-8 power scope where are you don’t have anything hanging out the back and mounted forward, but most people have more powerful scopes if they’re going to be using it for small varmints.

B&T = 250 buck brass catcher. There is another brand that is similar to the B&T.
H&K 800 buck brass catcher. I realize most posters on sniperhide (yep I am ASSuming) don’t shoot gas guns but shoot bolt guns that would work fine with the 3bucc and other fenced in type but not with the most of the AR types.
Heck what am I doing I should design my own and call it an 80 Buck brass catcher!
Didn’t mean any disrespect, but I have had some expletives with the inexpensive brass catchers on my ar’s.
perhaps it could be my scope mount has more material than others.
Cheers

 

[Huckleberry75]

The mounting restrictions are definitely the weak point in the 3 buc catcher. Haven't really found a decent solution that I like yet.

 

[Kocher]

Have 5lbs of IMR 4350 and 4955 to try on the way.

I found a couple of things: I didn’t have a heavy buffer in the tube have a =h2
ordered a H3(3 tungsten )
I am concerned I can not get to the max charge w/out destroying the cases. Will be very difficult to find an accuracy node if I am 2grains under it.

 

[nealm66]

Would anyone happen to have a recommended start load for 90 gr bergers with n570? Might be too slow but would like to give it a try.

 

[223762]

The 22 creed barrel now has 660 rounds of prs shooting on it. It has grown .012. Accuracy is still awesome. Velocity holding at 3130ish. I’ve had zero bullets coming apart. I clean the barrel after every time I shoot it. I have not looked in a bore scope yet. The barrel is the new Bartlein BB material. I can see the bullet in air when in a good prone position. I can see the impacts also. Its looking good so far.

 

[Davehc130]

The 22 creed barrel now has 660 rounds of prs shooting on it. It has grown .012. Accuracy is still awesome. Velocity holding at 3130ish. I’ve had zero bullets coming apart. I clean the barrel after every time I shoot it. I have not looked in a bore scope yet. The barrel is the new Bartlein BB material. I can see the bullet in air when in a good prone position. I can see the impacts also. Its looking good so far.

what twist is your barrel? what bullet are you shooting...I just got my 3R 6.5 Twist....shot a few 90 and 95s....load was way to slow...2900 ish with N565....going to try around 41 grains to see if I can get it up to 3100ish

 

[223762]

what twist is your barrel? what bullet are you shooting...I just got my 3R 6.5 Twist....shot a few 90 and 95s....load was way to slow...2900 ish with N565....going to try around 41 grains to see if I can get it up to 3100ish

Its 219x224 5R gain twist 7.6 to 6.7. Where did you get a 3R? Shooting the 95SMK. I’m shooting a mild load of h4350. I could push them to 3250 pretty easy, but I really don’t see the need. Plus we have a speed limit.

 

[Davehc130]

Its 219x224 5R gain twist 7.6 to 6.7. Where did you get a 3R? Shooting the 95SMK. I’m shooting a mild load of h4350. I could push them to 3250 pretty easy, but I really don’t see the need. Plus we have a speed limit.

got the barrel from Preferred Barrels.....are you having any pressure signs with H4350? I stayed away from 4350 with the heavy bullets...went with N565....maybe I should try H4350?

 

[223762]

got the barrel from Preferred Barrels.....are you having any pressure signs with H4350? I stayed away from 4350 with the heavy bullets...went with N565....maybe I should try H4350?

I’m not seeing any pressure. I’m using alpha SRP brass. My load is 39.6 of h4350 and cci 450 primers. I’ve shot this load in 30 degree to 90 degree. If you try h4350. Start around 37 grains and go up from there.

 

[Davehc130]

I’m not seeing any pressure. I’m using alpha SRP brass. My load is 39.6 of h4350 and cci 450 primers. I’ve shot this load in 30 degree to 90 degree. If you try h4350. Start around 37 grains and go up from there.

thanks..i have the same brass

 

[Taylorbok]

Would anyone happen to have a recommended start load for 90 gr bergers with n570? Might be too slow but would like to give it a try.

I'm running 90gr bergers with H4831SC 43.3gr getting me around 3200 fps in Lapua SRP brass, if that helps you at all

 

[nealm66]

I stopped at 2950 with h1000 but just slight cratering. Going to try 6.5 staball hopefully next week

 

[nealm66]

Thank you though. None of that on hand .

 

[ruger6.5]

I tried a search with no luck, has anyone used reloader 22 in a 22 creedmoor using a 95 gr. sierra hpbt

 

[nealm66]

Was noticing today ADG 22 creedmoor brass has very loose headspace, like 7-9 thousands more than any 6.5 brass I’ve loaded. Definitely needs fire formed and wondering if it weakened the brass

 

[Zback]

Guys I am thinking about trying some Hammer Bullets in my 22 creed AR 10 with a 22"proof carbon barrel with 7.5 twist. I was talking to the bullet company and they were telling me I could shoot essentially projectiles in the 30gr range up to 73gr range. Does this sound correct?

 

[nealm66]

Id say no on 73. Says 7 twist and they are spot on with required twist in my experience. Excellent bullets though. Slightly less pressure with than regular bullets so stay on the faster burn rate side

 

[Zback]

anybody else have any thoughts

 

[triumph001]

The bullet manufacturer is generally the authority on what twist their bullets require to perform properly. If you don’t trust their recommendations then buy some heavier than 73 grains shoot them and report back.

 

[Kocher]

anybody else have any thoughts

Looking at other posts of setup's....
You should have NO issue running those.. 90grain + should not be an issue.
I am deducting this by what others have ran in there 22 CM.
I am not sure about if the heavy bullets will feed well though, as 100grainers in 6mm Creedmoor ar10 gassers have had some of the bullets not feeding well... NOT ALL, but some of those heavies, and this may relate to the 22 CM as well if up in the 100 grainers, but I will not be running them, as 1- there NOT available, not what I want for varmints, and they are expensive. 77 -88grains will be great for my needs.

Example:
Perterson's Brass says for the MAX load of 22 creedmoor with 80gr bullet withH4350 is 36.3 and has a 62.223 psi pressure.
Yet EVERYONE is loading this WAY over this MAX... w/o issue... in fact on PETERSON's website they say the "DO NOT USE THE BELOW LOADS IN YOUR RIFLE" EXP 80 Grain BERGER VLD TARGET H4350 with 40.5 Grains with a Velocity of 3,500 FPS with a pressure of 77,343 PSI..

On one hand a manufacture.... says you MUST HAVE a 1/7 or greater twist to run over a 75 bullet.... yet guys do-in-it all day long with 88's grainers
And the manufacture of brass says "NO WAY can you have a load of 40 grains of H4350 in the 22CM yet everyone on this website is doing in in spades, w/o issue. (Have yet to see a video of someone loosing there face or eye on "screw u Tube.com" yet)
I will not be loading them that hot in my Gasser.

In terms of this 22 creedmoor, the manufactures recommendations have been that, recommendations.

I will also add, that I have been running 88 grain ELD's out of a 22 inch 1/7 twist AR10 22 creedmoor gas passer. Have yet to check accuracy extremes, but so far it seems good. (not had time to mess with loads)
Hope that helps.... you can always page through the 12 pages and decide.

 

[nealm66]

Hammers are different. I tried running the 75’s in my 7 twist hoping the additional speed would compensate. Not even close. The 83’s are excellent

 

[Kocher]

FYI guys shooters world 4350 is in stock 8 pound at Midway they have the 1 pound in stock as well

 

[CarbonMTN]

FYI guys shooters world 4350 is in stock 8 pound at Midway they have the 1 pound in stock as well

And it’s all gone…. Damn I’m slower than molasses…

 

[Kocher]

And it’s all gone…. Damn I’m slower than molasses…

Shooters World SW4350 S070-05 Smokeless Gun Powder 1 lb

Shooters World SW4350 is the slowest of all the 4350 derivatives. As such, it has broad capabilities in moderate calibers where other 4350 derivatives...

www.midwayusa.com

Negative ghostwriter they got plenty in stock still

 

[longrange2]

Anyone know where I can pick up a couple hundred new Peterson 22 Creedmoor cases? I missed out on a box of 500 and haven’t seen any available since.

 

[waspocrew]

Anyone know where I can pick up a couple hundred new Peterson 22 Creedmoor cases? I missed out on a box of 500 and haven’t seen any available since.

Peterson .22 Creedmoor Casing Box of 50 PCC22CRD50 For Sale - EuroOptic

Peterson .22 Creedmoor Casing Box of 50 PCC22CRD50 For Sale

www.eurooptic.com

 

[longrange2]

Thanks! I don’t know how I missed that, I was just on the Eurooptic page earlier today looking for Lapua 6.5 PRC brass.

 

[Kocher]

Complaint is they don’t have a very good search engine on that website
I guess says that’s also why you don’t find them coming up when you do a search for say 22 Creedmoor brass