using their barrel, using their FB, using their what? I plan on using a 1:7 twist with rl36. I only want around 3000 fps. I dont need a speed demon
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1:7 twist barrel. I think it was mostly RL26. The long bearing surface coupled with the thin jackets people were having them blow up a lot, even when they backed them down under 3K FPS. Sounds like some did get it to work but most gave up on them. Good luck, I was going to go with the 95’s as well but because of all this had my new barrel hand throated for 88 ELD’s.
I had Keith at Phoenix Custom Rifles work out all that. I told him I wanted to run the 95gn SMK’s. He ordered the reamer and it’s a shooter. 1:6.5twist and no separated jackets so far.
Testing some new 22 creed brass. 10 shots at 100yds.
Stay tuned fellas, very exciting announcement coming soon!
Testing some new 22 creed brass. 10 shots at 100yds.
Stay tuned fellas, very exciting announcement coming soon!
VERY NICE! Care to share the specifics on the load data...
Sneak peak for you guys.
Alpha OCD 22 Creedmoor! Been working with a test lot of this brass recently and it has been amazing. This case pictured was hit with a 80gr Berger VLD Target at 3668fps, and then was reloaded 27 additional times with an avg velocity of 3515fps before the large rifle primer pocket lost the ability to reliably hold a primer. Drastically better than previous 22 CM brass from Alpha! Not available to the public yet, but keep an eye on Alpha this summer folks!
Absurd accuracy as well, with a 3-shot group at 600yds measuring under 3/4”. Some luck there for sure... but that’s still very cool to be able to do when testing this new brass from alpha.
I have it on good authority the production brass is even better! We have a full article outlining the performance details in the works and an update to our 22 Creedmoor cartridge guide as well. Stay tuned!.
Alpha OCD 22 Creedmoor! Been working with a test lot of this brass recently and it has been amazing. This case pictured was hit with a 80gr Berger VLD Target at 3668fps, and then was reloaded 27 additional times with an avg velocity of 3515fps before the large rifle primer pocket lost the ability to reliably hold a primer. Drastically better than previous 22 CM brass from Alpha! Not available to the public yet, but keep an eye on Alpha this summer folks!
Absurd accuracy as well, with a 3-shot group at 600yds measuring under 3/4”. Some luck there for sure... but that’s still very cool to be able to do when testing this new brass from alpha.
I have it on good authority the production brass is even better! We have a full article outlining the performance details in the works and an update to our 22 Creedmoor cartridge guide as well. Stay tuned!.
Sneak peak for you guys.
Alpha OCD 22 Creedmoor! Been working with a test lot of this brass recently and it has been amazing. This case pictured was hit with a 80gr Berger VLD Target at 3668fps, and then was reloaded 27 additional times with an avg velocity of 3515fps before the large rifle primer pocket lost the ability to reliably hold a primer. Drastically better than previous 22 CM brass from Alpha! Not available to the public yet, but keep an eye on Alpha this summer folks!
Absurd accuracy as well, with a 3-shot group at 600yds measuring under 3/4”. Some luck there for sure... but that’s still very cool to be able to do when testing this new brass from alpha.
I have it on good authority the production brass is even better! We have a full article outlining the performance details in the works and an update to our 22 Creedmoor cartridge guide as well. Stay tuned!.
When I zoom in on that primer I see concentric circles.....is this from the bolt face or are you using some whiz bang Primers as well?
Pretty sure that is machining marks in my bolt face on the Desert Tech bolt. They tend to not have a very nice finish, and as you can see by the massive primer crater... they don't seem to like having a good fitment between firing pin and its hole either.
Hey it still shoots!Pretty sure that is machining marks in my bolt face on the Desert Tech bolt. They tend to not have a very nice finish, and as you can see by the massive primer crater... they don't seem to like having a good fitment between firing pin and its hole either.
I was just inquiring to ensure I wasn’t missing anything.
I was not trying to criticize the platform.
Thanks for the info. I look forward to wearing out my current brass.
I understand... I was criticizing it. lol I like nice fitting firing pin holes.I was not trying to criticize the platform.
Hey it still shoots!
TS Customs built Benchmark barrel in here... it definitely shoots!
This was great, both lasted a long time. Haven’t got my build together yet, but AFIK and based on Peterson’s pressure data, that 41.5-7ish of H4350 behind a 80gr would be a relatively stout charge.
Definitely no worries from the LRP brass though given:
45 firings off the Alpha -> Split neck
52 firings off the Peterson -> Stopped due to being near case head separation.
I’ll take either... when I find something in stock.
Took the dive into uncharted territory today: 6mm creedmoor brass - necked to 22 creedmoor.
this is went things have gone off the rails.. I heard of the dreaded Donut, but though if I went in steps. (6mm c fls to 260 NS, to 252 ish NS ) all would be good.. Nope!
lip is 251
Shoulder is 257!
1.82 in from lip is 255. This is on the edge of the donut .
this is went things have gone off the rails.. I heard of the dreaded Donut, but though if I went in steps. (6mm c fls to 260 NS, to 252 ish NS ) all would be good.. Nope!
lip is 251
Shoulder is 257!
1.82 in from lip is 255. This is on the edge of the donut .
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Second part of the adventure is picking up a K&m neck turner...
The 22 caliber arbor will not work in other words if your neck down your brass ready to load a bullet like with a 252 it will be too small so you have to neck it down less... try a 260 hmm too big! Try a 251. Too small! Crap... back to the loading Shop. should have purchased the The K&M Press Adapter so I can use the K&M Expand mandrels ... but that would be only if I knew what I was doing... yeah right.
I should’ve picked something like that up along time ago and I would’ve helped when case trimming. Wow, what do you know I actually learned something today.
The 22 caliber arbor will not work in other words if your neck down your brass ready to load a bullet like with a 252 it will be too small so you have to neck it down less... try a 260 hmm too big! Try a 251. Too small! Crap... back to the loading Shop. should have purchased the The K&M Press Adapter so I can use the K&M Expand mandrels ... but that would be only if I knew what I was doing... yeah right.
I should’ve picked something like that up along time ago and I would’ve helped when case trimming. Wow, what do you know I actually learned something today.
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I’ll go back tomorrow and pick up the mandrels. Something I noticed , the reloading store is pretty much empty, because they really don’t have anything to sell so people. No one can actually load up and shoot anymoor! Noprimers, and powder. Hell no cases or bullets.
Side note, I was in the hospital for three days getting IV antibiotics, and out from work for a week now due to a infection in my hand.. No known cause...
Honestly it’s been the most painful thing I’ve ever went through .. when your finger swells like that there’s nowhere for the swelling to go. Doctors told me they got the most calls about uncontrolled pain at night, when people had hand injuries than they did even with total knees and hips, backs ect.
Anyway..will post more when it gets all picked up and done..
I wish I would’ve just looked on the forum for some ready to go 22creedmoor brass.. did not want the added expense and labor right now
By the way, the 6mm brass i necked down was the Nosler ready to load 50pieces.
Side note, I was in the hospital for three days getting IV antibiotics, and out from work for a week now due to a infection in my hand.. No known cause...
Honestly it’s been the most painful thing I’ve ever went through .. when your finger swells like that there’s nowhere for the swelling to go. Doctors told me they got the most calls about uncontrolled pain at night, when people had hand injuries than they did even with total knees and hips, backs ect.
Anyway..will post more when it gets all picked up and done..
I wish I would’ve just looked on the forum for some ready to go 22creedmoor brass.. did not want the added expense and labor right now
By the way, the 6mm brass i necked down was the Nosler ready to load 50pieces.
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I almost picked some up couple months ago for my 6.5 CM @MIDWAY when they had some, but I didn’t plan on shooting that when I would be using only Varmit rounds and had plenty of that type of powder... who knew, I would be picking up a 22CM barrel for gas gun.
If you have some, give it a go. It’s not like you can just go pick up a different powder to use, unless you work at a Hodgdon, or other manufacture. Word is that Alliant is not bringing powder for any of the reloading stores near me, But the Swedes have been talking to dealers and delivering Vihtavuori.
Going to try N555 in the 22CM... because it is about all I have for heavies. Will try 60-80 gr Bullets with varget/ big game, superformance, SW Long Rifle.
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Well the 22 expansion arbor worked like a charm...
Something to note never assume that you’re reloading dies were assembled, that they were actually done correctly.
I found out why my cases didn’t turn straight when I was turning them on the case turner.... the picture it pretty much explains.. not sure if this is done in an automatic machine or if it’s done there by somebody manually either way they screwed up and either I’ll send it to the factory or send back
The threads are toast
Something to note never assume that you’re reloading dies were assembled, that they were actually done correctly.
I found out why my cases didn’t turn straight when I was turning them on the case turner.... the picture it pretty much explains.. not sure if this is done in an automatic machine or if it’s done there by somebody manually either way they screwed up and either I’ll send it to the factory or send back
The threads are toast
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Tried 64 grain game changers and 88eld’s.
Loaded with big game a SW long rifle.
Both showed heavy brass swiping aroun 38-40 grains for both bullets.
I am testing today with big game only with reduced loads.
I may have a very tight chamber?
I used magnum primers. My Krono battery was dead .
All of the bullets made it down range and very accurate. don’t want to kill the brass w/o knowing the velocities.
This is a gas gun FYI
Loaded with big game a SW long rifle.
Both showed heavy brass swiping aroun 38-40 grains for both bullets.
I am testing today with big game only with reduced loads.
I may have a very tight chamber?
I used magnum primers. My Krono battery was dead .
All of the bullets made it down range and very accurate. don’t want to kill the brass w/o knowing the velocities.
This is a gas gun FYI
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For those that have questions about fire forming 22-250 for 22 creedmoor: Or loading it up for your normal 22-250 and throw it in with your 22 CM ammo and let it rip (that by accident) either way you decide to do it ..survived and turned out just fine. And I think accuracy was of no issue.
I included pictures: the first 2 Picts are unfired 6 mm neck down to 22 next to the fired formed 22-250 federal. (Note the dirty neck on the fired case)
The other pictures: 22-250 FF and reloaded , next to a 22 CM necked down and turned, 1-fired, and reloaded case..
22-250 FF case is slightly shorter
Tried to be as detailed as possible hopefully not boring you.
in hindsight it’s possible that I did not need to turn the donut out of the case as it seems that loading these bullets are not seated to the point where it touches the donut.. I did not take any chances, as I figured the gas gun would be sensitive to pressures anyway.
btw. This 2 gen old iPhone can not do close up shots to save its life and my SLR took a crash landing when walking around some Mayan temples.. my mama should’ve told me not to wear flip-flops.
you’ll just have to click on it and zoom in and you should be able to see the detail
I included pictures: the first 2 Picts are unfired 6 mm neck down to 22 next to the fired formed 22-250 federal. (Note the dirty neck on the fired case)
The other pictures: 22-250 FF and reloaded , next to a 22 CM necked down and turned, 1-fired, and reloaded case..
22-250 FF case is slightly shorter
Tried to be as detailed as possible hopefully not boring you.
in hindsight it’s possible that I did not need to turn the donut out of the case as it seems that loading these bullets are not seated to the point where it touches the donut.. I did not take any chances, as I figured the gas gun would be sensitive to pressures anyway.
btw. This 2 gen old iPhone can not do close up shots to save its life and my SLR took a crash landing when walking around some Mayan temples.. my mama should’ve told me not to wear flip-flops.
you’ll just have to click on it and zoom in and you should be able to see the detail
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Those do nothing but cause jams and FtoF’s.
$300 in gas, $3000 Shooting rig, countless hours of load development, four days of vacation used, 18 hour total Drive time, Missed a chance for follow up shot coyote on the run due to a jam caused by $15 brass catcher=Priceless
Yeah no kidding especially when I feed them refried beans
Before you jump to a conclusion about this brass catcher, you might want to research what you are disregarding. The 3buc is not like the other cheap net bags and velcro strap POS catchers.
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Hence the slang “3buck” bras catcher.
Or an omition/typo “3buc” brass catcher.
i had a feeling that it wasn’t a slang for those strap ons that are at fleet farms and midway. Ex: original purchaser pays 15$ for a brass catcher realizing it isn’t what he had hoped for sells it for the cheap. Guy number 2 picks it up for next to nothing “ I paid 3 bucks for this brass strap on brass catcher”.
Hence the slang “3buck” bras catcher.
Or an omition/typo “3buc” brass catcher.
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FYI most brass catcher’s like the 3 Bucc and also the Cadwell fenced in with the braces, do not allow enough space between the attachment point and alignment with the ejection port.
The picture shows with the three Bucc, he had to use flat tall scope mounts. 90% of ARs do not have that style they have a forward one piece . You then have jams, ect as I stated in my original post.
it may work for a 1-8 power scope where are you don’t have anything hanging out the back and mounted forward, but most people have more powerful scopes if they’re going to be using it for small varmints.
B&T = 250 buck brass catcher. There is another brand that is similar to the B&T.
H&K 800 buck brass catcher. I realize most posters on sniperhide (yep I am ASSuming) don’t shoot gas guns but shoot bolt guns that would work fine with the 3bucc and other fenced in type but not with the most of the AR types.
Heck what am I doing I should design my own and call it an 80 Buck brass catcher!
Didn’t mean any disrespect, but I have had some expletives with the inexpensive brass catchers on my ar’s.
perhaps it could be my scope mount has more material than others.
Cheers
The picture shows with the three Bucc, he had to use flat tall scope mounts. 90% of ARs do not have that style they have a forward one piece . You then have jams, ect as I stated in my original post.
it may work for a 1-8 power scope where are you don’t have anything hanging out the back and mounted forward, but most people have more powerful scopes if they’re going to be using it for small varmints.
B&T = 250 buck brass catcher. There is another brand that is similar to the B&T.
H&K 800 buck brass catcher. I realize most posters on sniperhide (yep I am ASSuming) don’t shoot gas guns but shoot bolt guns that would work fine with the 3bucc and other fenced in type but not with the most of the AR types.
Heck what am I doing I should design my own and call it an 80 Buck brass catcher!
Didn’t mean any disrespect, but I have had some expletives with the inexpensive brass catchers on my ar’s.
perhaps it could be my scope mount has more material than others.
Cheers
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The mounting restrictions are definitely the weak point in the 3 buc catcher. Haven't really found a decent solution that I like yet.
Have 5lbs of IMR 4350 and 4955 to try on the way.
I found a couple of things: I didn’t have a heavy buffer in the tube have a =h2
ordered a H3(3 tungsten )
I am concerned I can not get to the max charge w/out destroying the cases. Will be very difficult to find an accuracy node if I am 2grains under it.
I found a couple of things: I didn’t have a heavy buffer in the tube have a =h2
ordered a H3(3 tungsten )
I am concerned I can not get to the max charge w/out destroying the cases. Will be very difficult to find an accuracy node if I am 2grains under it.
The 22 creed barrel now has 660 rounds of prs shooting on it. It has grown .012. Accuracy is still awesome. Velocity holding at 3130ish. I’ve had zero bullets coming apart. I clean the barrel after every time I shoot it. I have not looked in a bore scope yet. The barrel is the new Bartlein BB material. I can see the bullet in air when in a good prone position. I can see the impacts also. Its looking good so far.
what twist is your barrel? what bullet are you shooting...I just got my 3R 6.5 Twist....shot a few 90 and 95s....load was way to slow...2900 ish with N565....going to try around 41 grains to see if I can get it up to 3100ish
Its 219x224 5R gain twist 7.6 to 6.7. Where did you get a 3R? Shooting the 95SMK. I’m shooting a mild load of h4350. I could push them to 3250 pretty easy, but I really don’t see the need. Plus we have a speed limit.
got the barrel from Preferred Barrels.....are you having any pressure signs with H4350? I stayed away from 4350 with the heavy bullets...went with N565....maybe I should try H4350?
I’m not seeing any pressure. I’m using alpha SRP brass. My load is 39.6 of h4350 and cci 450 primers. I’ve shot this load in 30 degree to 90 degree. If you try h4350. Start around 37 grains and go up from there.
I'm running 90gr bergers with H4831SC 43.3gr getting me around 3200 fps in Lapua SRP brass, if that helps you at all
