223 Tac Division Build

[King_beardsly]

So I’m looking to switch it up for 2024 and run a 223 for tac division coming off running a 6cheatmoor and dasher the last few years. I’m looking for a direct to go with the build, it’ll be either off my “spare” origin or on the current workhorse TL3 in a manners PRS1, but don’t know barrel length or what twist is optional.

 

[Superjet]

A 7 twist 26" barrel is the way to go. If you're planning on using 75 ELDM's a standard 223 wylde chamber works great. The Origin or TL3 will feed well from MDT Polymer 223 mags in my experience.

 

[JBoomhauer]

@b6graham

 

[King_beardsly]

@b6graham

I should have just messaged him from the word jump, he was from my region before leaving for the promise land known as Colorado

 

[JBoomhauer]

I should have just messaged him from the word jump, he was from my region before leaving for the promise land known as Colorado

His .223 was also flatter than my BRA.

 

[jzerfoss]

I'm running a 24" 7 twist proof comp contour with a TBAC Magnus for my 223 Tac Div rifle this year. Can reach the speed limit without hitting pressure with several powders.

 

[King_beardsly]

His .223 was also flatter than my BRA.

That’s impressive

 

[King_beardsly]

I'm running a 24" 7 twist proof comp contour with a TBAC Magnus for my 223 Tac Div rifle this year. Can reach the speed limit without hitting pressure with several powders.

I’m going to assume 75ELDM, I’m looking to run them over the lot of varget I’ve got sitting.

 

[jzerfoss]

I’m going to assume 75ELDM, I’m looking to run them over the lot of varget I’ve got sitting.

Yes, but with varget you might want to go with a 26"+ barrel or maybe a longer throat than a 223 wylde.

 

[King_beardsly]

Yes, but with varget you might want to go with a 26"+ barrel or maybe a longer throat than a 223 wylde.

Good to know, any powders I should look into

 

[b6graham]

His .223 was also flatter than my BRA.

that was such a good shooting gun. just a little bit of butt hurt it caused at the Finale. too bad the ejection was a pain

24" 7 twist. heavy palma. 75gr JLK at 2980. 24.8gr varget

longer barrel will just give you more free speed. kelly shoots a 26" proof prefit on an origin now and it works great. not quite as easy to load for but still perfectly acceptable with some work. my Tac build was pretty exceptional tbf

im moving to xbr8202 for 223. easier to get and can get the same speed. save the varget for my 7SAW and Dasher

 

[jzerfoss]

Good to know, any powders I should look into

H4895(extremely hard to find), 8208xbr, or PP2000mr if you want a ball powder. I'm sure other powders work well also.

 

[stevieb92]

I'm also working on piecing together a .223 PRS build and I'll be following this. I'm planning it for a Origin with a Bartlein (not sure of the contour yet) mounted in a MPA Matrix Pro. A couple questions I'm trying to find answers for...

Is the 75 ELD-M in a Wylde chamber the best bang for the buck in this scenario?

What about the 77 TMK?

Other than the MDT mag, what other magazine options are there?

 

[Rob01]

A 7 twist 26" barrel is the way to go. If you're planning on using 75 ELDM's a standard 223 wylde chamber works great. The Origin or TL3 will feed well from MDT Polymer 223 mags in my experience.

That would be my exact answer. I would not go longer than .223 Wylde for freebore as with the Wylde and the 75 ELDs you can load to .020" off lands at 2.470". You will not want to load longer and that length is safe in the MDT poly mags with an over all length of 2.550". Poly mags run flawlessly in my Manners stocks.

I run a 26" 7 twist Comp contour PVA barrel on my TL3. Get with @bohem and pick one up and you will be happy.

Varget and 8208 both work great in this combo and a friend also uses VV N135 and I picked some up to try but haven't tried it yet.

 

[King_beardsly]

That would be my exact answer. I would not go longer than .223 Wylde for freebore as with the Wylde and the 75 ELDs you can load to .020" off lands at 2.470". You will not want to load longer and that length is safe in the MDT poly mags with an over all length of 2.550". Poly mags run flawlessly in my Manners stocks.

I run a 26" 7 twist Comp contour PVA barrel on my TL3. Get with @bohem and pick one up and you will be happy.

Varget and 8208 both work great in this combo and a friend also uses VV N135 and I picked some up to try but haven't tried it yet.

I’ve got a few barrels for him and all have been hammers, so I’ll give him a call when it’s time.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

I'd just get a Proof SS prefit. $500 gets you a cut rifled 7 twist 26" truck axle that'll shoot little knots.

 

[Rob01]

Problem is Proof only has a standard .223 Rem chamber. Not what I would use for a Tac rifle.

 

[Superjet]

I’m pretty sure the Proof Chamber is a Wylde chamber. I shot out a PVA 223 wylde and replaced if with a Proof Prefit. Same exact load shot great and was within 15 fps. It’s been a year since I switched so I’m fuzzy on the exact details, but distance to the lands was comparable.

 

[Rob01]

I’m pretty sure the Proof Chamber is a Wylde chamber. I shot out a PVA 223 wylde and replaced if with a Proof Prefit. Same exact load shot great and was within 15 fps. It’s been a year since I switched so I’m fuzzy on the exact details, but distance to the lands was comparable.

They list it as a .223 Rem and I have heard from people it’s shorter freebore than Wylde but guess we would have to check with them. What were you loading 75s to for oal?

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Proof told me the 223 Impact prefits were a Wylde chamber when I asked a few months back.

 

[King_beardsly]

I'd just get a Proof SS prefit. $500 gets you a cut rifled 7 twist 26" truck axle that'll shoot little knots.

I need to find one for 500, I know they are out there just need to find one.

 

[Rob01]

Proof told me the 223 Impact prefits were a Wylde chamber when I asked a few months back.

Will have to check if others like Zermatt prefits are too as like I said I have read complaints about them being short throated and standard .223 Rem so maybe they listened and changed that.

 

[Dead Eye Dick]

While I actually had luck with a 1-9 twist barrel, the safe plan unless shooting 55 grain varmint bullets is all you ever want to load, the 1-7 twist is the safe bet. thinking of going really heavy, a 1-6.5 is the answer.

On the 1-9 barrel, “Luck” is the key word.

 

[King_beardsly]

While I actually had luck with a 1-9 twist barrel, the safe plan unless shooting 55 grain varmint bullets is all you ever want to load, the 1-7 twist is the safe bet. thinking of going really heavy, a 1-6.5 is the answer.

On the 1-9 barrel, “Luck” is the key word.

I’m going to run 75 eldm’s for tac but might play with heavier stuff like the 85.5 from berger, so the 1-7 will be my go to

 

[357Max]

My 26" 1-8 Loves 77 RDF's & stabilizes 88's NP. Just threw together a few loads with 88's to see what kind of speed I could get. Staball Match, AA2520, & Lever gave 2850 without pressure, but that was enough speed to make me happy. Haven't tried 85.5"s yet. It was built for Tac class so mostly focused on 77's. The Match & 2520 easily hit speed limit with the 77's.

 

[King_beardsly]

My 26" 1-8 Loves 77 RDF's & stabilizes 88's NP. Just threw together a few loads with 88's to see what kind of speed I could get. Staball Match, AA2520, & Lever gave 2850 without pressure, but that was enough speed to make me happy. Haven't tried 85.5"s yet. It was built for Tac class so mostly focused on 77's. The Match & 2520 easily hit speed limit with the 77's.

Good to know, I looked at the RDF 77’s and they priced close enough with about the same availability as my trusty 105 hybrids that I’ve gotta over look them unfortunately.

 

[spife7980]

Good to know, I looked at the RDF 77’s and they priced close enough with about the same availability as my trusty 105 hybrids that I’ve gotta over look them unfortunately.

Shooters pro shop. They will be back in stock soon enough

 

[NJRaised]

I’ve got a 1:7, 24” heavy palma, proof. Hammers. In hindsight I’d go 26” and wouldnt be afraid to go with a heavier contour.

 

[King_beardsly]

Shooters pro shop. They will be back in stock soon enough

That’s who I got my 105 RDF’s through for a while

 

[ss7]

Will have to check if others like Zermatt prefits are too as like I said I have read complaints about them being short throated and standard .223 Rem so maybe they listened and changed that.

My TL3 Proof prefit COAL to just off lands with 75 eldm is 2.497"

 

[dgheriani]

25gr of Varget or 23.6gr of 8208 with 75 ELDMs (or 75 BTHPs for practice) at 1.955" BTO has given me 2900+ fps in 3 or so 26" 7tw .223 barrels now with no issues. Feed great from MDT poly or metal mags.

 

[Rob01]

My TL3 Proof prefit COAL to just off lands with 75 eldm is 2.497"

That’s the Wylde then. Glad they started doing those.

 

[Gtscotty]

I need to find one for 500, I know they are out there just need to find one.

Add to cart for extra awesomeness, you can pick up an HLR .150 lug to run TL3 barrels on an origin and still be under $500.

Proof Research Pre-Fit Cut Rifled Stainless Zermatt TL3/SL3 Barrels

Stocky's Stocks Afternmarket Rifle Stock Supplier

www.stockysstocks.com

My 26" 1-8 Loves 77 RDF's & stabilizes 88's NP. Just threw together a few loads with 88's to see what kind of speed I could get. Staball Match, AA2520, & Lever gave 2850 without pressure, but that was enough speed to make me happy. Haven't tried 85.5"s yet. It was built for Tac class so mostly focused on 77's. The Match & 2520 easily hit speed limit with the 77's.

What loads did you run with Staball-M and 88s? I'm using Staball-M with 75 ELDs, and am really starting to like it.

My TL3 Proof prefit COAL to just off lands with 75 eldm is 2.497"

Same, I'm running a TL3 barrels on an Origin with an HLR lug and I'm ~2.493" at the lands with 75 ELDs, running 20 off at ~2.47 feeds great from an MDT poly mag.

To be fair though, when I emailed Proof and asked what the freebore was on this rifle they said:

"Hi Gtscotty,

These are on the tight side of SAAMI.

DJ"

 

[King_beardsly]

Add to cart for extra awesomeness, you can pick up an HLR .150 lug to run TL3 barrels on an origin and still be under $500.

Proof Research Pre-Fit Cut Rifled Stainless Zermatt TL3/SL3 Barrels

Stocky's Stocks Afternmarket Rifle Stock Supplier

www.stockysstocks.com

What loads did you run with Staball-M and 88s? I'm using Staball-M with 75 ELDs, and am really starting to like it.



Same, I'm running a TL3 barrels on an Origin with an HLR lug and I'm ~2.493" at the lands with 75 ELDs, running 20 off at ~2.47 feeds great from an MDT poly mag.

To be fair though, when I emailed Proof and asked what the freebore was on this rifle they said:

"Hi Gtscotty,

These are on the tight side of SAAMI.

DJ"

I completely forgot about stockys, and I recently ordered one of the .150 lugs from hunts since I’ve got a few barrels for the TL that could use to be thrown on the origin.

 

[357Max]

What loads did you run with Staball-M and 88s? I'm using Staball-M with 75 ELDs, and am really starting to like it.

I ran 24.1 - 24.7 with the Staball Match & 88’s. Just set them at 2.5” or 1.934 with Hornady comparator.
24.7 was 2847
This was in IVI brass that’s on the small side for capacity.
My chamber is Wylde.

 

[never_summer]

Shoot a 26” osprey from pva with a wylde chamber. Get 2,920 fps with 24.2gr varget and 75gr eldm. 1:7 twist

 

[King_beardsly]

Anyone play around with the stuff from preferred barrel blanks? I’ve got one on my RimX and it definitely shoots better then me, also I know holtworks runs them with great success but more options are better than one.

 

[JBoomhauer]

Add to cart for extra awesomeness, you can pick up an HLR .150 lug to run TL3 barrels on an origin and still be under $500.

Proof Research Pre-Fit Cut Rifled Stainless Zermatt TL3/SL3 Barrels

Stocky's Stocks Afternmarket Rifle Stock Supplier

www.stockysstocks.com

What loads did you run with Staball-M and 88s? I'm using Staball-M with 75 ELDs, and am really starting to like it.



Same, I'm running a TL3 barrels on an Origin with an HLR lug and I'm ~2.493" at the lands with 75 ELDs, running 20 off at ~2.47 feeds great from an MDT poly mag.

To be fair though, when I emailed Proof and asked what the freebore was on this rifle they said:

"Hi Gtscotty,

These are on the tight side of SAAMI.

DJ"

Was also told that proof was not Wylde, but within Saami specs.

 

[JBoomhauer]

24.5 Varget gets me 2882 in a Bartlein Wylde Chamber. Good accuracy too.

 

[Lightning8]

I am using TAC in a 26inch 223 Wylde with 75ELDMs and 80SMKs - great powder for speed and flows through Dillon powder drops reliably.

 

[Superjet]

They list it as a .223 Rem and I have heard from people it’s shorter freebore than Wylde but guess we would have to check with them. What were you loading 75s to for oal?

I'm at 2.45 OAL. Barrel was ordered around August of 2022 from Front Range.