25 Creedmoor

And this is better than 6.5-CM ... um ... because ... why? I mean, I'd rather have full availability of reloading components for something I already have that works great for me, than a new caliber that's just a few millimeters different that requires a whole new set of "stuff" to create cartridges. But hey ... to each his own.
 

This one? or a different one?
 
And this is better than 6.5-CM ... um ... because ... why? I mean, I'd rather have full availability of reloading components for something I already have that works great for me, than a new caliber that's just a few millimeters different that requires a whole new set of "stuff" to create cartridges. But hey ... to each his own.
Only thing I can think is less recoil.
 
And this is better than 6.5-CM ... um ... because ... why? I mean, I'd rather have full availability of reloading components for something I already have that works great for me, than a new caliber that's just a few millimeters different that requires a whole new set of "stuff" to create cartridges. But hey ... to each his own.
Stop being poor.
This is quarter bore,
Master Race
 

This one? or a different one?
This one
 

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Were seeing more and more 25CM's pop up on the podium in the PRS matches.

Flatter and less recoil than a 6.5CM, more energy on target and better splash than the little 6's, the 25 is a winner. We've built around a dozen comp rifles in the quarterbore and they all hammer with hardly any load dev. and low single digit SD's. 42.4 gr H4350, Alpha brass, and a 135 Berger seated .020 off is magic. Depending on the rifle this load runs around 2860-2900.
 
Isn't it pretty much the same speed as a 140 eldm with the same BC as the 134 eldm ? Is there really much of a "recoil" difference between these ?

I don't hate it, but to me, the 25cal shines more in the PRC and SAUM length ...
 
Isn't it pretty much the same speed as a 140 eldm with the same BC as the 134 eldm ? Is there really much of a "recoil" difference between these ?

I don't hate it, but to me, the 25cal shines more in the PRC and SAUM length ...


My trued data on the .25 135 berger has it at a .348 G7 per my kestrel, verified drops to 1660 and these fly at 2885 out of a 26" Bartlein. In load dev, I had these as high as 2950 with no pressure.

My 140 ELD-M load with 6.5 CM runs 2825 with a trued BC of .320, once again verified drops to 1660. I load for accuracy first and foremost. Both of these are capable of higher velocities, but the 25 still comes out ahead.

The 25 is a decent bit flatter and has slightly less recoil. In other words, you aren't losing anything going down to the .25, only gaining in every category except a big bullet selection like the 6.5's have.... which really doesn't matter because the 134 ELD-M and 135 Berger shoot so damn well. I thing with the big Hornady marketing push behind the .25, we will see some new bullets pop up soon.

My opinion, if you're going to the 6.5 PRC, you may as well take advantage of the extra power and push the 153.5 or 156 Berger and have a higher BC bullet. The 25-6.5 PRC's I've built for customers have been a little more finicky to tune and the advantages aren't there over a 6.5 PRC with high BC bullets.
 
My trued data on the .25 135 berger has it at a .348 G7 per my kestrel, verified drops to 1660 and these fly at 2885 out of a 26" Bartlein. In load dev, I had these as high as 2950 with no pressure.

My 140 ELD-M load with 6.5 CM runs 2825 with a trued BC of .320, once again verified drops to 1660. I load for accuracy first and foremost. Both of these are capable of higher velocities, but the 25 still comes out ahead.

The 25 is a decent bit flatter and has slightly less recoil. In other words, you aren't losing anything going down to the .25, only gaining in every category except a big bullet selection like the 6.5's have.... which really doesn't matter because the 134 ELD-M and 135 Berger shoot so damn well. I thing with the big Hornady marketing push behind the .25, we will see some new bullets pop up soon.

My opinion, if you're going to the 6.5 PRC, you may as well take advantage of the extra power and push the 153.5 or 156 Berger and have a higher BC bullet. The 25-6.5 PRC's I've built for customers have been a little more finicky to tune and the advantages aren't there over a 6.5 PRC with high BC bullets.
What are your thoughts on 25 x 47, vs 25 Creed?
 
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Been shooting the 25 Creed for a while with R17, stopped at 2980 with no hard extraction.
Backed it down a bit and the rifle seems happy. For whatever reason real low SD numbers
come easy.

135 Berger & R17
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135 Berger & R17
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134 Hornady & R17
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