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.308 Rifle Opinions - LMT vs. Larue

#153
Re: .308 Rifle Opinions - LMT vs. Larue

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Prairie Dog Dundee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well the LMT just jumped ahead in the barrel options department with this https://dbmg-llc.3dcartstores.com/MWS-conversion_p_33.html

What will people come up with that can function in a 308 magazine and function in this rifle? The world just opened up. </div></div>


THAT is a hell of a nice feature! The possibilities are now only limited by dimensions and pressure. Pretty nice. I certainly give LMT their due credit on this.
 
#154
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MidwestPX</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I will have an OBR in a month or so to run a side by side comparison with one of my MWSs and one of my 5.56 carbines. </div></div>

.308 or 5.56?

Maybe you should do a four way comparison- both OBR's along with a .308 and 5.56 LMT.

I'm not even interested in which one is "better" or "best"... I'd just like to see them all run side-by-side!
 
#155
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.308. I'm throwing the AR15 in the mix because I'm going to run all three through some EAG Tactical drills. The AR15 will serve as the baseline and the .308s compared against it. Also planning on accuracy related tests but I'm a practical shooter and am more interested in reliably and repeatably putting hits in an 8" circle as fast as possible. Tight groups are great but not what I work to achieve on a regular basis.
 
#156
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My partner and I were the winners of the International sniper comp 2010. I shot a 20" OBR with a Surefire break, a Magpul CTR stock and the new Nightforce 3.5-15 x 50 FFP with a Horus H58 reticle, My partner shot a 16" OBR with a Surefire break, a Magpul PRS stock and a horusvision 5-20x50 Falcon with a H37 reticle. The guns performed flawlessly throughout the competition. I didn't clean my bore once all week and my partner ran a bore snake through his gun twice after he fired a blank round through it on the stalk. I have no complaints at all with the OBR. Shoot both and see what you think. The truth is any gun that shoots sub MOA groups and is comfortable in your hands is going to be your best bet. I will continue to shoot Larue products until someone comes out with something better.
 
#157
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.J. McQuade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My partner and I were the winners of the International sniper comp 2010. I shot a 20" OBR with a Surefire break, a Magpul CTR stock and the new Nightforce 3.5-15 x 50 FFP with a Horus H58 reticle, My partner shot a 16" OBR with a Surefire break, a Magpul PRS stock and a horusvision 5-20x50 Falcon with a H37 reticle. The guns performed flawlessly throughout the competition. I didn't clean my bore once all week and my partner ran a bore snake through his gun twice after he fired a blank round through it on the stalk. I have no complaints at all with the OBR. Shoot both and see what you think. The truth is any gun that shoots sub MOA groups and is comfortable in your hands is going to be your best bet. I will continue to shoot Larue products until someone comes out with something better. </div></div>

Are you Hoymeyer or Giannelli?



Edit:
Looking at your other posts, and the claim made in this one, I think you should get in touch with lowlight, with a photocopy of the front of your ID card. If you are who you say you are, I will apologize profusely. However, some things aren't really adding up in my mind.
 
#159
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.J. McQuade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They spelt my name wrong, Homeyer. </div></div>

PM sent
 
#161
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoltOveride</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I still cant get over the rail height over bore on the OBR.. too damn high. </div></div>

Doesn't really bother me- it's not like we're talking 1/2". Of course the size of your head would play into it too; it's somewhat relative. I do not have a small head...
 
#162
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J.J. McQuade,
Good to see you on here buddy. Congratulations on the victory at Benning. Great to see you guys put all the pieces together on demand. There have been so many shooting innovations in the last decade (thanks to GWOT) awesome to see two guys approach the field with an open mind and reinvent, then master the basics. See you at the next 2gun.

"Never underestimate my ability to miss an easy shot"-Ed H. any given range day.
 
#163
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoltOveride</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I still cant get over the rail height over bore on the OBR.. too damn high. </div></div>


The Rail height over bore seems to remind me of a MK12 Mod O with a swann sleeve.
 
#165
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.J. McQuade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank's brother, lookin at runnin a 2 day match in April or May. I'll update the site www.range37combatshoot.com
Ought to be fun, thinking of running a pistol, carbine, precision rifle match. Call it a combat 3 gun, keep that shotgun breaching doors where it belongs. </div></div>

That looks like something I'd enjoy!
 
#166
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Is it the built-in cant causing the issue? What scope and stock did you try. I shot a Demo with a CTR and a NF 2.5-10 in low rings (can't remember the exact model#). Looks kind of odd, but it lined up the scope really nicely for me, and I like a lower scope than standard.
 
#167
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: FromMyColdDeadHa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it the built-in cant causing the issue? What scope and stock did you try. I shot a Demo with a CTR and a NF 2.5-10 in low rings (can't remember the exact model#). Looks kind of odd, but it lined up the scope really nicely for me, and I like a lower scope than standard. </div></div>Correct, the eye level is good with low rings. You need a riser using an OBR mount or similar high mount. With a riser, it is a non issue, except that you can't use the charging handle with the stock collapsed.
 
#169
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I LOVE my MWS. But Im fickle and that OBR has caught my eye as well. I am running my MWS as a CQB setup. At least at my low level I am doing well in multi gun comps with it. I took 3rd fastest run at a recent match with it. Only 2 5.56's posted a faster time and one of the other two was me with my Colt for 1st fastest. I was the only non 5.56. At this sat match a guy brought an OBR. He let me run 5 rounds of factory Corbon through it at which point I shot 1, 5 round group @ 100 measuring .346 ctc. That caught my attention! Mounting up my USO on the MWS to see what she can do with the cl barrel. Both were 16"ers although the OBR had a PRS on it. I could not tell the difference in weight between them by hand. I have a BC break on mine and he had a Surefire. I could feel no diff in recoil between them but a few others that shot both including the OBR owner said the MWS had less felt recoil. I cant comment on fit and finish because honestly I didnt even think to look as it just doesnt concern me. Only function and performance does.
 
#170
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Funny thing is, GA Precision gave a SSG Shaffer an AR10 in 2002 where he proceeded to win a similar Army competition... so it's nothing new at all, and if you think about it, doing the same thing 8 years later... very late to the party.
 
#171
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Sometimes great ideas are way ahead of their time OR Im always late to the party
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Another detail that comes to mind about the MWS. This one is a little more on the feel side. My MWS very much reminds me of my DSA SA58 FAL in the sense it just feels solid and strong. I would say at this point that it will easily become my goto rifle. It has quickly earned great confidence.
 
#172
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I went with the LMT MWS. I had decided that the switch barrel upper was the way to go for me. The option of a chrome lined blaster that is accurate and getting a quality SS upper for accuracy was two hard to resist.

To have this flexibility on any other platform would have ment to buy a series of uppers at 2K a pop. I can buy 3 different factory barrels for that price. The fact that is a solid rifle without much need for modification is also a plus. I now see why the U.K. MOD went this route.

In reality I would have been happy with the OBR I had on order and I will be happy when I get the POF. We truly live in a great time for AR rifle technology.
 
#173
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Re25</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I went with the LMT MWS. I had decided that the switch barrel upper was the way to go for me. The option of a chrome lined blaster that is accurate and getting a quality SS upper for accuracy was two hard to resist.

To have this flexibility on any other platform would have ment to buy a series of uppers at 2K a pop. I can buy 3 different factory barrels for that price. The fact that is a solid rifle without much need for modification is also a plus. I now see why the U.K. MOD went this route.

In reality I would have been happy with the OBR I had on order and I will be happy when I get the POF. We truly live in a great time for AR rifle technology. </div></div>

That last sentance holds so, so true. What a great time when we can all argue about which AR is the best. The truth is they all rock. I like the feel of the OBR, that's my preference. But the reality is, they are all comparable. Any rifle that shoots sub-minute will probably do in the hands of a competent marksman. Whatever you shoot the best is the best gun for you. I love living in a country where we can bicker about the best way to engage a tgt at long range. But the truth is when push comes to shove, I don't care if the guy next to me has an LMT, LT, or something he built in his garage, as long as he can shoot it. United States of America! fuck yeah!!
Every now and then it helps me to put things in perspective.
 
#174
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That is why I am trying to give some objective observations with my experience on each as it may help someone decide. I choose to leave my personal feelings about ML out of it and just focus on the rifles them selves.
 
#175
Re: .308 Rifle Opinions - LMT vs. Larue

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.J. McQuade</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Re25</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I went with the LMT MWS. I had decided that the switch barrel upper was the way to go for me. The option of a chrome lined blaster that is accurate and getting a quality SS upper for accuracy was two hard to resist.

To have this flexibility on any other platform would have ment to buy a series of uppers at 2K a pop. I can buy 3 different factory barrels for that price. The fact that is a solid rifle without much need for modification is also a plus. I now see why the U.K. MOD went this route.

In reality I would have been happy with the OBR I had on order and I will be happy when I get the POF. We truly live in a great time for AR rifle technology. </div></div>

That last sentance holds so, so true. What a great time when we can all argue about which AR is the best. The truth is they all rock. I like the feel of the OBR, that's my preference. But the reality is, they are all comparable. Any rifle that shoots sub-minute will probably do in the hands of a competent marksman. Whatever you shoot the best is the best gun for you. I love living in a country where we can bicker about the best way to engage a tgt at long range. But the truth is when push comes to shove, I don't care if the guy next to me has an LMT, LT, or something he built in his garage, as long as he can shoot it. United States of America! fuck yeah!!
Every now and then it helps me to put things in perspective. </div></div>

Well said. I think this thread can be closed now.
 
#176
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shane45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is why I am trying to give some objective observations with my experience on each as it may help someone decide. I choose to leave my <span style="font-weight: bold">personal feelings about ML </span>out of it and just focus on the rifles them selves. </div></div>

Too bad there are others here who can't be quite as objective.
 
#177
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ReaperDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shane45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is why I am trying to give some objective observations with my experience on each as it may help someone decide. I choose to leave my <span style="font-weight: bold">personal feelings about ML </span>out of it and just focus on the rifles them selves. </div></div>

Too bad there are others here who can't be quite as objective.</div></div>

too bad you can't learn to stop pushing buttons... maybe another time out would help...
 
#179
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I don't know ML, nor can I say I know Lowlight. But as a member of this board, I do know that the two have a personal issue with each other, and see no benefit to myself or this board in continually throwing the issue up in the owner's face. Nor would I see any benefit in going to wherever ML frequents and throwing it up in his face. But if some guys can't see how jumping into a fight that isn't theirs might not be wise, I hope they are man enough to handle the bites that come from trying to break up a dogfight.....
 
#180
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Good thread with lots of info. I have been in the hunt for a 308 ar for some time. I am not even considering Larue. For several reasons. First, their sales dept doesn't respond to contact, I tried many times. Maybe my emails went to spam. But I also went into their website and contacted them that way. I had questions and had found a few obrs for sale. The second reason is that they are not ambidextrous. Third reason is the 20 moa top. Don't like it. Not worth it in a 308 package and more of a PITA. They are a custom outfit right?, well then make me what I want.

LMT, LWRC, Noveske, Fulton, Armalite, here I come
 
#181
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stellite</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good thread with lots of info. I have been in the hunt for a 308 ar for some time. I am not even considering Larue. For several reasons. First, their sales dept doesn't respond to contact, I tried many times. Maybe my emails went to spam. But I also went into their website and contacted them that way. I had questions and had found a few obrs for sale. The second reason is that they are not ambidextrous. Third reason is the 20 moa top. Don't like it. Not worth it in a 308 package and more of a PITA. They are a custom outfit right?, well then make me what I want.

LMT, LWRC, Noveske, Fulton, Armalite, here I come </div></div>
And I've had the same problem with Noveske and LMT,,,my advice is pick up the phone, thats what I did
 
#182
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tom Olson</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stellite</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good thread with lots of info. I have been in the hunt for a 308 ar for some time. I am not even considering Larue. For several reasons. First, their sales dept doesn't respond to contact, I tried many times. Maybe my emails went to spam. But I also went into their website and contacted them that way. I had questions and had found a few obrs for sale. The second reason is that they are not ambidextrous. Third reason is the 20 moa top. Don't like it. Not worth it in a 308 package and more of a PITA. They are a custom outfit right?, well then make me what I want.

LMT, LWRC, Noveske, Fulton, Armalite, here I come </div></div>
And I've had the same problem with Noveske and LMT,,,my advice is pick up the phone, thats what I did </div></div>

LMT was very fast response as was Armalite. Haven't gone to Fulton or Noveske. LWRC was also very prompt with their responses. Even KAC who is known to be slow was faster. Due to my work it was easier to contact via email with my questions to many different companies. Getting on the phone takes time and usually involves multiple calls. Emails are easy.

But you are probably right. A phone call would probably have solved it.
 
#185
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Nothing to do with pushing buttons, frank... like you're so paranoid about. I asked a question about the LMT because the LMT is actually my front runner for a .308 gas gun and noticed that your are now censoring any word that has [censored] in it. I just wondered if you were doing that in all foums. And yes you are.

So not only are you shutting down legit conversation about a gun because YOU are too small to keep your personal issues with someone else out of the forums, but you're imposing your small minded and childish shit on the rest of us. What if someone wanted to start a thread about the [censored] itself??? Are you preventing that discussion. And not only that, but your little [censored] censorship is censoring my PMs. Are you fucking serious?

Kick me off if you want because I speak my mind and I don't suck your dick like many folks here do. But either way, you are showing yourself as the petty child you are. And I will make sure that LMT knows that you have driven off a potential customer because of your censorship. The LMT was honestly my front-runner - but you have soured me to it because of your BS. I know LMT could give a rat's ass about me, but I guaran-damn-tee you I'm not the only one around here who thinks this about you. Whatever ML does to make an ass of himself on line is his business. But I think you need to look in the mirror pretty hard when you talk about someone making an ass of themselves.

And you really SHOULD read your own tagline. It's comical and incredibly ironic when I read some of the stuff you post and then read that right below it.

And I wonder how long you'll let this post stand before you remove it because you're afraid of the truth.
 
#186
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You're a clown and can't leave well enough alone...

Try going and reading the 6 pages of bullshit ML is spewing about me.. why should I give him free press, or anything else. The man attacked me, continues to call people in an effort to shut me up just like he did back then.

If you dont' like the way I am running site, hit the door, you're the one who can't let shit go, you have to poke your finger in my eye every chance you get, clearly.

This wasn't about you, so why do I care you can't talk about ML -- he claims i am editing things, and doing all sort of stuff -- well there it is, now there is no denying it -- yes ML and any discussion of him is PNG on, so get over it.

He wants me to keep quiet, sure, now I have no reason to mention his name, it's that simple.

Speak your mind, great, call me out every chance you get, how about a PM, but now you want public displays --
 
#188
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And I suppose your newly new found balls doesn't have anything to do with the fact you were banned before. Clearly you felt it was unfair, so now it is hate everything I say or do --- and we talk about small minded.

if you stomp your feet louder and strenuously object I will think about it harder.
 
#189
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ReaperDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing to do with pushing buttons, frank... like you're so paranoid about. I asked a question about the LMT because the LMT is actually my front runner for a .308 gas gun and noticed that your are now censoring any word that has [censored] in it. I just wondered if you were doing that in all foums. And yes you are.

So not only are you shutting down legit conversation about a gun because YOU are too small to keep your personal issues with someone else out of the forums, but you're imposing your small minded and childish shit on the rest of us. What if someone wanted to start a thread about the [censored] itself??? Are you preventing that discussion. And not only that, but your little [censored] censorship is censoring my PMs. Are you fucking serious?

Kick me off if you want because I speak my mind and I don't suck your dick like many folks here do. But either way, you are showing yourself as the petty child you are. And I will make sure that LMT knows that you have driven off a potential customer because of your censorship. The LMT was honestly my front-runner - but you have soured me to it because of your BS. I know LMT could give a rat's ass about me, but I guaran-damn-tee you I'm not the only one around here who thinks this about you. Whatever ML does to make an ass of himself on line is his business. But I think you need to look in the mirror pretty hard when you talk about someone making an ass of themselves.

And you really SHOULD read your own tagline. It's comical and incredibly ironic when I read some of the stuff you post and then read that right below it.

And I wonder how long you'll let this post stand before you remove it because you're afraid of the truth. </div></div>

So do you have an armadillo shaped dildo with [censored]'s name on it too? I bet you even have lube flavored like his steak rub. You sound like a butt buddy fan boy of his products. The guy may have good products but if he tried starting shit about me trying to damage my reputation I wouldn't stand for his shit either! I won't suck Franks cock but he is still right on the issue. Don't call out frank having fan boys following him around and then act like one for the other side. It's a bit hypercritical.
 
#190
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I does make me chuckle that the brother of "he whose name shall not be uttered" actually prefers a competitor's system over ML's.

I'd say whose, but that'd be in bad taste....
 
#194
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Here is my [censored] - retired my 7005R - LOL guess I made my username too soon
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Love the [censored].
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EDIT!
whoa.... guess I should of read the last page instead of the first page first... what's the deal with the name of a rifle being censored?! yikes...
 
#195
Re: .308 Rifle Opinions - LMT vs. [censored]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

This wasn't about you, so why do I care you can't talk about ML -- he claims i am editing things, and doing all sort of stuff -- well there it is, now there is no denying it -- yes ML and any discussion of him is PNG on, so get over it.

</div></div>

What does PNG mean?
 
#196
Re: .308 Rifle Opinions - LMT vs. [censored]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You're a clown and can't leave well enough alone...

Try going and reading the 6 pages of bullshit ML is spewing about me.. why should I give him free press, or anything else. The man attacked me, continues to call people in an effort to shut me up just like he did back then.

If you dont' like the way I am running site, hit the door, you're the one who can't let shit go, you have to poke your finger in my eye every chance you get, clearly.

This wasn't about you, so why do I care you can't talk about ML -- he claims i am editing things, and doing all sort of stuff -- well there it is, now there is no denying it -- yes ML and any discussion of him is PNG on, so get over it.

He wants me to keep quiet, sure, now I have no reason to mention his name, it's that simple.

Speak your mind, great, call me out every chance you get, how about a PM, but now you want public displays -- </div></div>

1st of all - you want me to PM you??? I got fucking banned for having the common sense to send you a respectful PM the last time so I could keep it OUT of public displays and now you want me to PM you???

Frank, 2nd of all I'm not chasing you around trying to poke a finger in anything. YOU are the one who childishly brought up your little spat with ML in a PUBLIC forum, not me.

Look dude, I have NO IDEA what your issue with ML is, nor do I care. I rarely ever frequent ARFCOM. I've never met nor spoken to the man and I'm not a [censored] fanboy by any stretch. In fact I own far more LMT products than I do [censored]. I own exactly ONE [censored] upper and I don't think the dillo is particularily a very good steak rub. And ML may very well be a coward for all I know as well as an incredible douche for attacking you. But the sad thing is you don't even realize that YOU are just as big of a coward and a douche for stooping to his level. "Whaahh, ML attacked me! Whahh, I need everyone's sympathy."

YOU are the one who jumped into a decent thread discussing the technical merits of two different rifles and YOU are the one who shit all over it by bringing up your personal spat with ML. Sadly, you don't even realize that this 5 page thread would have ended at 1 and YOU have given WAY more ink to ML than if you had confined your comments to the merits or lack of of said rifles. I'm just sayin'.....

Yes, praise the lord and pass the ammunition - this is YOUR site and if you want to censor the word [censored] - knock yourself out. Its just incredibly childish. If you had any balls and sense.... you would have manned up and put a sticky on the top of this forum and explained in an adult manner that discussion of [censored] products and particularily the [censored] rifle is NOT a valid topic for discussion, similar to your group shot policu. At least we would have respected you for that rather than your little censorship game. Totally childish... but hey, its your site. have a nut.
 
#198
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carnivore</div><div class="ubbcode-body">PNG = Persona Non Grata = Fully unacceptable or unwelcome, especially to a foreign government: The diplomat was persona non grata. </div></div>

Gotcha. Thanks.
 
#199
Re: .308 Rifle Opinions - LMT vs. [censored]

You know what Reaper Driver is right -- I have been completely wrong and this thread has gotten out of control and I have let ML push me in a negative direction, so with that I will lock this thread, and remove the censor of the LT name and product.

Sorry for the side track to all on here.
 
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