Does anyone have good load data for the 155 Amaxs? Ran across a deal and picked some up.
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This is where I got the info from to test my loads out. I am working with lapua brass to try and replicate the same now. The best Ive found with Lapua so far is 41.8gr of 4064 and 42.4gr of 4064. The 41.8 shot a .47 5 shot group at 100 yards today.
178 gr. AMAX 45.3 gr. Alliant Power Pro 2000mr. 2.822" COAL .015" off lands
Hornady Match brass sized, trimmed to 2.008"
Primer pockets uniformed, flash holes uniformed
WInchester LR primer
2669fps avg. extreme spread 12 fps.
.317" 5 shots @ 100yds.
Rifle, 700 Remmy, Trued action, Rock Creek 1-10 twist M24 profile 5R 25"
Rifle built by Chris Self at Loose Cannon Firearms in Autaugaville AL.
B&C Light Tactical Stock, Vortex Viper 6.5-20x
Shoots fantastic in this rifle, there is a little room to boost velocity up to 2700fps. Zero pressure signs.
I think there may be some accuracy potential left by changing jump to the lands.
Hornady Match brass sized, trimmed to 2.008"
Primer pockets uniformed, flash holes uniformed
WInchester LR primer
2669fps avg. extreme spread 12 fps.
.317" 5 shots @ 100yds.
Rifle, 700 Remmy, Trued action, Rock Creek 1-10 twist M24 profile 5R 25"
Rifle built by Chris Self at Loose Cannon Firearms in Autaugaville AL.
B&C Light Tactical Stock, Vortex Viper 6.5-20x
Shoots fantastic in this rifle, there is a little room to boost velocity up to 2700fps. Zero pressure signs.
I think there may be some accuracy potential left by changing jump to the lands.
Was shooting 175 SMK's from a 1/10 twist Savage w/ great results. Got a model 12 Benchrest w/ 1/12 and it hated the 175's. Just tried this yesterday and shot very well. Twist is actually 1/12.25".
Lapua Brass
45.5g Varget
155g Lapua Scenar
Fed 210 primer
Seated .025 - .030" from lands was best
2956 FPS average (29" barrel)
Lapua Brass
45.5g Varget
155g Lapua Scenar
Fed 210 primer
Seated .025 - .030" from lands was best
2956 FPS average (29" barrel)
Accuracy International AE MK3, 20 inch barrel, 1:12 twist with AI brake.
Hornady match brass
Federal champion large rifle primers
168g Amax bullets
45.7 grains IMR 4064
C.O.L. 2.180 (from the Ojive)
This round has consistently punched 1/4 inch groups within the 100 yard mark and 1/2 inch groups out to 300. Currently getting just over 2700 fps.
Hornady match brass
Federal champion large rifle primers
168g Amax bullets
45.7 grains IMR 4064
C.O.L. 2.180 (from the Ojive)
This round has consistently punched 1/4 inch groups within the 100 yard mark and 1/2 inch groups out to 300. Currently getting just over 2700 fps.
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20 in remmy sps tactical 1/12 twist
Can't find varget so picked up some h4895 my new fav. I have great success with 42, 42.2, 42.4, and 42.6 grains all produced .5 or better moa. @ 100 yards using cci200 and mixed brass 175 smk.
Can't find varget so picked up some h4895 my new fav. I have great success with 42, 42.2, 42.4, and 42.6 grains all produced .5 or better moa. @ 100 yards using cci200 and mixed brass 175 smk.
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Cooper Raptor 22" match barrel 1:10 twist
168 gr SMK
42.0gr RL 15
Lapua Brass
CCI 200 primers
Full length sized brass with trim length of 2.005
2.243 overall length measured from ogive (.020 jump to lands)
0.3 to 0.4 groups
168 gr SMK
42.0gr RL 15
Lapua Brass
CCI 200 primers
Full length sized brass with trim length of 2.005
2.243 overall length measured from ogive (.020 jump to lands)
0.3 to 0.4 groups
45gr R15 behind 155gr Bullets seems to be a good accuracy node in my rifle. Two different bullets, two different cases, two different primers but the same powder charge produce great accuracy for me. These are 10 shot groups.
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The 155gr VLDs averaged 2860fps.
The 155gr Scenars averaged 2870fps.
Here's a validation of the 155gr Scenar load above:
400m, 8" plate, .242 MOA
500m, 8" plate, .309 MOA
Money load in my Savage model 11 Hog Hunter, 20" factory barrel, 1 in 10 twist.
44.0 grains Accurate 4064
Remington brass trimmed to 2.05"
Remington 9 1/2 primers
Sierra 175 grain Matchking seated to 2.815 oal
2,525fps
44.0 grains Accurate 4064
Remington brass trimmed to 2.05"
Remington 9 1/2 primers
Sierra 175 grain Matchking seated to 2.815 oal
2,525fps
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Gun- Savage model 10 FCP-SR(stock) 1:10 twist
175gr SMK
Winchester 7.62x51 brass
Trim length: 2.008
Primer: CCI 200
COAL: 2.822
.005 off lands
40.7grs H335
no chronograph so fps undetermined.
working up 178gr AMAX load now with Varget
175gr SMK
Winchester 7.62x51 brass
Trim length: 2.008
Primer: CCI 200
COAL: 2.822
.005 off lands
40.7grs H335
no chronograph so fps undetermined.
working up 178gr AMAX load now with Varget
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Rem sps varmit 26" 1/12twist
168smk
Lapua brass
Trim :2.005
Coal: 2.800
41.8gn imr4065
Winni primers
This is shooting bugholes.
168smk
Lapua brass
Trim :2.005
Coal: 2.800
41.8gn imr4065
Winni primers
This is shooting bugholes.
I've been tinkering around with a good many bullet powder combos for my .308. It's a custom ( AICS , Jewell hvr, stiller Tac 30, #9 HV Bartlein 1:11.25 at 28") It's been shooting the 185 juggernaut REALLY well with 47 grains of PP2000mr. 2835 fps. However, I think I may switch to IMR 4064. I shot a five shot group at a 3/4" dot and here's what I got.
I'm not sure if this is "fact " but I've got a really good buddy of mine , hide member, that is an ASS KICKER in FTR. He told me that the 185 juggernauts seem to fly "better" I'm the range of 2700 to 2750 fps. Anybody heard that??
Also, he suggested some h4895. What do you guys think??
Here's the rifle
I'm not sure if this is "fact " but I've got a really good buddy of mine , hide member, that is an ASS KICKER in FTR. He told me that the 185 juggernauts seem to fly "better" I'm the range of 2700 to 2750 fps. Anybody heard that??
Also, he suggested some h4895. What do you guys think??
Here's the rifle
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I just chuckled when I saw that one hole, 
Very Nice!
then I shook my head when I read about wanting to try other powders, To what gain?
IMR 4064 is a great powder, is what's believed to be in the FGMM for it's temperature insensitivity and low fluctuations in velocity.
Read this link: http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...ral-gold-medal-match-load-mk-316-mod-0-a.html
BTW, Nice Stick
Very Nice!then I shook my head when I read about wanting to try other powders,
To what gain? IMR 4064 is a great powder, is what's believed to be in the FGMM for it's temperature insensitivity and low fluctuations in velocity.
Read this link: http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...ral-gold-medal-match-load-mk-316-mod-0-a.html
BTW, Nice Stick
I just chuckled when I saw that one hole,
then I shook my head when I read about wanting to try other powders,
IMR 4064 is a great powder, is what's believed to be in the FGMM for it's temperature insensitivity and low fluctuations in velocity.
Read this link: http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...ral-gold-medal-match-load-mk-316-mod-0-a.html
BTW, Nice Stick
Thanks, but I think your misunderstanding.... That group was shot with IMR 4064... My loads right now are with power pro
2000mr. So that picture was just a 5 shot group I did while loading some .308 stuff for a buddy and decided to try it. The power pro shoots damn good too, not that good though. I'm with ya on the switching thing. If it's not broke ..... Don't fix it
No, I got it. You shot that great group with 4064 & then later said he suggested H4895, (what do you guys think?) It's late I could still be wrong, LOL
Nice stick and shooting in any case
No, I got it. You shot that great group with 4064 & then later said he suggested H4895, (what do you guys think?) It's late I could still be wrong, LOL
Nice stick and shooting in any case
Oh ok I got ya. Yeah, you're right. Screw the 4895. Thanks for the complement. And advice.
My plan is to try loading 168gr HP BT in the Lapua small primer brass with 44gr of Varget.
I also need to know how to adjust for the A-MAX 178gr?
The top load gave me a one hole at 100 yards from a CZ 550 308.
I was very surprised as it was the first time the rifle was fired.
The 44gr load was a hot load so I treated the bore with NuFinish car polish to reduce the drag within the barrel.
I also need to know how to adjust for the A-MAX 178gr?
The top load gave me a one hole at 100 yards from a CZ 550 308.
I was very surprised as it was the first time the rifle was fired.
The 44gr load was a hot load so I treated the bore with NuFinish car polish to reduce the drag within the barrel.
20" barrel bolt
neck sized lc brass
fed. 210m
41.7 gns. 4064
175 berger otm's
seated to magazine depth
My little rifle loves this load...but I wish it would shoot Varget as the 4064 is much more finicky with temperature differences
neck sized lc brass
fed. 210m
41.7 gns. 4064
175 berger otm's
seated to magazine depth
My little rifle loves this load...but I wish it would shoot Varget as the 4064 is much more finicky with temperature differences
For the 2000 MR fans, this is a load I found yesterday during a load workup session.
46.8 gr 2000 MR
Lapua Brass (annealed and neck turned to .014" +/- .0005"
BR-2 Primer
175 SMK (sorted for uniform base/ogive measurement)
2.830" COAL (mag length on my rifle)
2698 fps
SD 5 fps
Rifle:
Remington Action w/PTG one piece bolt.
Benchmark 24" 5-C 1:10 Barrel
B&C "A-5 Style" Stock
Sinclair Tactical Bipod
NightForce 12-42X56 NXS
Triad Tac rear "Bean Bag" rest
Here's the target
Granted this was only a 3-shot load workup group but I have no fear that this load will do just as well in a 10-20-30 shot group based on previous experiences.
Also found that the Berger 185 gr VLD Hunting Bullet "liked" this powder but I started too low in charge weight. When I hit 46.4 gr the groups were still shrinking, the speed was averaging just under 2650, and the SD was dropping with every .4 gr increment. SD of 7.5 is where I ended which was 2.5 fps less than the load prior.
Monday we'll start at 46.4 gr and go up from there until we either hit pressure or find a nice accuracy node.
Unfortunately I'm limited to 100 Y right now for load development as our longer range is undergoing some rebuilding. When finished I'll get to shoot longer distances but I've found that loads for my rifle that shoot like crap do likewise at LR.
46.8 gr 2000 MR
Lapua Brass (annealed and neck turned to .014" +/- .0005"
BR-2 Primer
175 SMK (sorted for uniform base/ogive measurement)
2.830" COAL (mag length on my rifle)
2698 fps
SD 5 fps
Rifle:
Remington Action w/PTG one piece bolt.
Benchmark 24" 5-C 1:10 Barrel
B&C "A-5 Style" Stock
Sinclair Tactical Bipod
NightForce 12-42X56 NXS
Triad Tac rear "Bean Bag" rest
Here's the target
Granted this was only a 3-shot load workup group but I have no fear that this load will do just as well in a 10-20-30 shot group based on previous experiences.
Also found that the Berger 185 gr VLD Hunting Bullet "liked" this powder but I started too low in charge weight. When I hit 46.4 gr the groups were still shrinking, the speed was averaging just under 2650, and the SD was dropping with every .4 gr increment. SD of 7.5 is where I ended which was 2.5 fps less than the load prior.
Monday we'll start at 46.4 gr and go up from there until we either hit pressure or find a nice accuracy node.
Unfortunately I'm limited to 100 Y right now for load development as our longer range is undergoing some rebuilding. When finished I'll get to shoot longer distances but I've found that loads for my rifle that shoot like crap do likewise at LR.
???????? NuFinish makes bore paste? Please tell me more about using car wax in a barrel......
Not WAX! Polish! There is a difference...
A water soluble polymer is not a wax...
I got this information from a top Olympic shooter.
Test a see for yourself as I have and let me know.
Most car "waxes" today contain a fine, non-embedding polishing compound. They can work every bit as good as J-B Bore Brite or others. Another benefit is that car "polishes" contain some solvents that help dissolve deposits like carbon and all without damaging the bore.
It doesn't necessarily have to have to say "Gun" on the product label to work well and it often costs a whole lot less.
I just never had heard of it. I cringe when some say they use WD-40 on guns. Learn something new every day.
I've been messing around with my loads. 168 amax, seated 2.17 to the ogive, 2.8 coal, over 43.5 or 42.5 grains of varget, have it wrote down at home. Use fgmm brass, and federal 210m primers. Was getting 2600-2640 fps out a stock rem. sps tactical 20" barrel 1/12 twist. I am getting sub moa groups at 100 yds. but would love to tighten them up. Anyone else use these components? I also have some imr 4064 to play with.
Pulled some but it looks promising. No chrony. AAC-SD 20" 175smk IMI match brass 43.5 IMR 4064. fed primers. Getting ejector marks? But took 5.8mil to 700yds? Seems slow. Did I screw up something?
Pulled some but it looks promising. No chrony. AAC-SD 20" 175smk IMI match brass 43.5 IMR 4064. fed primers. Getting ejector marks? But took 5.8mil to 700yds? Seems slow. Did I screw up something?
At 5.8mils to 700, that shows about 2645MV, that's not slow and not a surprise that you are getting ejector marks. That's pretty quick for that short tube. My 178's were 2450 with 43.5 of varget in WW brass.
That does sound better. I must have something wrong in JBM. It shows 2500fps. If I have ejector marks at 43.5 but max in the lee manual is 45?????? That seems wicked hot!!!
Load manuals are mearly guidelines, not hard and fast rules. Let your gun tell you what it's pressure limits are, not a generalized reloading manual. Also, IMI brass may have a lower case capacity than WW/RP etc brass, similar to LC brass.
Shot over a crony.
AAC-SD with sure fire brake.
IMI match brass
175 SMK
Fed 210 primers
43.5g IMR 4064
2725fps WITH EJECTOR MARKS!! Primer look ok.
43.2g of IMR 4064 was 2610fps no pressure signs.
Reduce your loads with IMI match brass.
AAC-SD with sure fire brake.
IMI match brass
175 SMK
Fed 210 primers
43.5g IMR 4064
2725fps WITH EJECTOR MARKS!! Primer look ok.
43.2g of IMR 4064 was 2610fps no pressure signs.
Reduce your loads with IMI match brass.
I need some reloading data for my remington 700 aac-sd chambered in .308 Barrel length is 20". I have reloader 15 powder, Norma brass, CCI primers and Berger 155.5 grain bullets. Need to know starter grain for powder and bullet overall length please.
I see you are finally getting the velocity up. Must have been some wrong info put into the ballistics calc!!!
42 grains of IMR 4064 Lapua brass ( fire formed ) bumped 2/1000's and a .334 bushing. 178 amax at 2.230 to ogive. MONEY
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Toying around with new loads in my 5R, think I found a sweet spot. SSA brass FL sized, 168gr Hornady HPBT, federal 210m primer, 43.5 gr IMR 4064 set at 2.800" COAL. I discounted that one round as clean bore/cold bore with possibly some lube still in the barrel. The other 4 did very well. Gonna press more of the same to double check but I think we're good here.
Toying around with new loads in my 5R, think I found a sweet spot. SSA brass FL sized, 168gr Hornady HPBT, federal 210m primer, 43.5 gr IMR 4064 set at 2.800" COAL. I discounted that one round as clean bore/cold bore with possibly some lube still in the barrel. The other 4 did very well. Gonna press more of the same to double check but I think we're good here.
these are with a 700 sps varmint 26" 1-12 twist.
175gr SMK
43.5gr varget
federal 210 non match
lapua brass
2.80
avg: 2620
~.5moa at 100yds
155gr lapua scenar
47.2gr varget
federal 210 non match
lapua brass
2.830
avg: 2936 es: 26 sd: 9
~.5moa
have not tested any further than 100yds.
175gr SMK
43.5gr varget
federal 210 non match
lapua brass
2.80
avg: 2620
~.5moa at 100yds
155gr lapua scenar
47.2gr varget
federal 210 non match
lapua brass
2.830
avg: 2936 es: 26 sd: 9
~.5moa
have not tested any further than 100yds.
New 308 Win load data thread on Scout.com. Repost your good data.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=541&f=5533&t=13231190
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=541&f=5533&t=13231190
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Out of a Factory Remington AAC-SD...Shoots one ragged hole
44gr IMR 4064
Federal GM range pickup brass
GM210M primer
168gr Amax
2.84" COAL
~ 2585FPS SD of 14
43.5 and 44gr of Varget also shot very well.
Couldn't get the heavier bullets to work with this particular rifle...kind of odd that the 1:10 twist really prefers the 168gr.
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out of a factory 700 sps varmint. Both about a .5moa load.
47.2gr varget
lapua brass
federal 210 non match primer
155 lapua scenar
2.830
just under 2950 fps
43.5gr varget
lapua brass
federal 210 non match primer
175gr SMK
2.80
not positive on velocity, but i believe its around 2650.
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/08/2014
Shot out of a 23" Rock Creek barrel
155 Lapua Scenar
Lapua case
46.1gr of Varget
2.810 OAL
2880 fps
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43.5gr IMR 4064
FGM210M primer
Lake City LR brass
175 smk's
2.81 COAL
Out of a 24" Schneider 1/12 twist it gets an average of 2700 with an SD of 7
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168gr SMK
FC brass
Win LR primer
42.8gr IMR 4064
COAL 2.85"
175 Barnes Match Burner
FC brass
Win LR primer
42gr IMR4064
COAL 2.85"
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Rifle AI AW
Barrel Factory 1/12 twist, 26" barrel
Chrono Oehler 35p 9 ft from muzzle.
Temp 92.3 F
R.H 28.9
Baro 29.90
Elev 98 feet
Case - Lapua, Cases are full length resized
Primer- GM215M (Federal Magnum Match)
Powder- Varget--44.4 grs
Bullet -Lapua 170 lock Base
Coal - 2.810
2754 fps
This load is just starting to get on the warm side. Primers are just starting to flatten. No sticky bolt lift.
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GAP Crusader spec build
175 SMK
44.2 grains Varget
Black Hills brass (ww) FL sized
Fed 210M primers
0.02" off lands
This load worked the same in two GAP Crusader rifles. 3/8" @ 100 yds and held very good accuracy to 1k.
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I need some data on 208AMAX for a 308. There was a great thread on the old site, can I get someone to re-post some of that data
Thanks!
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TRG22 26"
175SMK
41.1grs of IMR4064
210M
LCLR Brass
2.800"
2570FPS SD9 1.329ms barrel time
.5 MOA due to my ineptness
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Just scroll through the threads. Hope this helps.
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/showthread.php?t=24338
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They are the B476
http://www.lapua.com/en/products/reloading/bullets
I used the mag primers cause that's all I had at the time when I was doing load development.
All the store were dry, couldn't find any standard large rifle primers at the time. I've been using mag primers ever since.
I had to up .4 of a grain with this new lot number. See below.
Must add, that powder was weighed on a Lyman DPS II
I'm going back to beam scales to try and lower the ES and SD.
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L1a1slr, thanks for the link.
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Re: 308 Winchester
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Custom .308 with Stiller Tac 30 , 28" HV 1:11.25 Bartlein, Jewell hvr , AICS
42.0 IMR 4064, 178 amax, Lapua brass, Fgm210m, at 2.230 to ogive. 2725 fps.
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Also, 185 juggernaut
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Other juggernaut load is 47.0 PP2000mr. At 2.850 Coal. ( can't remember ogive ). Same brass and primer.
2830 fps average. 28.5 moa at 1,000 yards with 100 yard zero
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Forgot to add this pic. The flyer was my fault. But the next three were good to go. I simply adjusted horizontal to keep same poa w/o tearing up sticker. (3/4" circle) This is same load as the 42.0 IMR 4064 with 178 amax at 2.230 to ogive.
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Must add, that powder was weighed on a Lyman DPS II
I'm going back to beam scales to try and lower the ES and SD.
I use a Chargemaster for dispensing my powders. I found that closer attention to case prep (neck turning for uniform thickness), Neck sizing with minimal shoulder bump, gives more band from the buck than just weighing with a different scale.
I've also found that sorting newly purchased brass after it's first firing by "straightness" and neck thickness uniformity yields good results. Cases that stay straight after that first firing are more likely to be of uniform thickness throughout the case itself.
OK, it may take me two or three boxes of brass in order to end up with ONE box after sorting but when I do this I sure do get some nice uniform loads with low SD/ES. The rounds even group well at 300 + yards.
My favorite load for my .308 with Benchmark 5-C bbl is 44.1 gr Varget, 175 SMK, Fed or Wolf Primer (I can't tell the difference over the chrono.) with an OAL of 2.825" Need to use a drop tube or be comfortable with the "Varget Crunch".
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308 Winchester
10/07/2014 Last edited 10/21/2014 by Thrust911
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Load Data...
Original Thread: Loads For .308 Winchester
Out of a Factory Remington AAC-SD...Shoots one ragged hole
44gr IMR 4064
Federal GM range pickup brass
GM210M primer
168gr Amax
2.84" COAL
~ 2585FPS SD of 14
43.5 and 44gr of Varget also shot very well.
Couldn't get the heavier bullets to work with this particular rifle...kind of odd that the 1:10 twist really prefers the 168gr.
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/07/2014
out of a factory 700 sps varmint. Both about a .5moa load.
47.2gr varget
lapua brass
federal 210 non match primer
155 lapua scenar
2.830
just under 2950 fps
43.5gr varget
lapua brass
federal 210 non match primer
175gr SMK
2.80
not positive on velocity, but i believe its around 2650.
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/08/2014
Shot out of a 23" Rock Creek barrel
155 Lapua Scenar
Lapua case
46.1gr of Varget
2.810 OAL
2880 fps
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/09/2014
43.5gr IMR 4064
FGM210M primer
Lake City LR brass
175 smk's
2.81 COAL
Out of a 24" Schneider 1/12 twist it gets an average of 2700 with an SD of 7
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/10/2014
| 178 Hornady AMAX - 44.3 GR Winchester 748 - COAL 2.835" - 24" Bartlein Barrel | |||
| 1 | 2732 | ft/s | |
| 2 | 2714 | ft/s | |
| 3 | 2767 | ft/s | |
| 4 | 2749 | ft/s | |
| 5 | 2778 | ft/s | |
| 6 | 2774 | ft/s | |
| 7 | 2749 | ft/s | |
| 8 | 2693 | ft/s | |
| 9 | 2757 | ft/s | |
| 10 | 2762 | ft/s | |
| 11 | 2759 | ft/s | |
| 12 | 2757 | ft/s | |
| 13 | 2765 | ft/s | |
| 14 | 2758 | ft/s | |
| 15 | 2750 | ft/s | |
| 16 | 2741 | ft/s | |
| 17 | 2741 | ft/s | |
| 18 | 2758 | ft/s | |
| Min | 2693 | Max | 2778 |
| Avg | 2750 | S-D | 20.7 |
| ES | 85 |
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/10/2014
| 175 Sierra Match King - 44gr IMR 4064 2.815"/20" Bartlein Barrel | |||
| Shot | Speed | ||
| 1 | 2658 | ft/s | IMR 4064 always gives me the best SD numbers |
| 2 | 2658 | ft/s | |
| 3 | 2656 | ft/s | |
| 4 | 2656 | ft/s | |
| 5 | 2652 | ft/s | |
| 6 | 2651 | ft/s | |
| 7 | 2650 | ft/s | |
| 8 | 2649 | ft/s | |
| 9 | 2647 | ft/s | |
| 10 | 2646 | ft/s | |
| 11 | 2643 | ft/s | |
| 12 | 2640 | ft/s | |
| 13 | 2637 | ft/s | |
| Series | 2 | Shots: | 13 |
| Min | 2637 | Max | 2658 |
| Avg | 2649 | S-D | 6.74 |
| ES | 21 |
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/12/2014
168gr SMK
FC brass
Win LR primer
42.8gr IMR 4064
COAL 2.85"
175 Barnes Match Burner
FC brass
Win LR primer
42gr IMR4064
COAL 2.85"
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/13/2014
Rifle AI AW
Barrel Factory 1/12 twist, 26" barrel
Chrono Oehler 35p 9 ft from muzzle.
Temp 92.3 F
R.H 28.9
Baro 29.90
Elev 98 feet
Case - Lapua, Cases are full length resized
Primer- GM215M (Federal Magnum Match)
Powder- Varget--44.4 grs
Bullet -Lapua 170 lock Base
Coal - 2.810
2754 fps
This load is just starting to get on the warm side. Primers are just starting to flatten. No sticky bolt lift.
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/13/2014 Last edited 10/13/2014 by Surffshr
GAP Crusader spec build
175 SMK
44.2 grains Varget
Black Hills brass (ww) FL sized
Fed 210M primers
0.02" off lands
This load worked the same in two GAP Crusader rifles. 3/8" @ 100 yds and held very good accuracy to 1k.
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/14/2014
I need some data on 208AMAX for a 308. There was a great thread on the old site, can I get someone to re-post some of that data
Thanks!
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/14/2014
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/15/2014 Last edited 10/15/2014 by spawnof918v
TRG22 26"
175SMK
41.1grs of IMR4064
210M
LCLR Brass
2.800"
2570FPS SD9 1.329ms barrel time
.5 MOA due to my ineptness
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/15/2014
L1A1SLR wrote: Rifle AI AW
Barrel Factory 1/12 twist, 26" barrel
Chrono Oehler 35p 9 ft from muzzle.
Temp 92.3 F
R.H 28.9
Baro 29.90
Elev 98 feet
Case - Lapua, Cases are full length resized
Primer- GM215M (Federal Magnum Match)
Powder- Varget--44.4 grs
Bullet -Lapua 170 lock Base
Coal - 2.810
2754 fps
This load is just starting to get on the warm side. Primers are just starting to flatten. No sticky bolt lift.
are those the d46 170 that are discontinued ? and why are you using mag primers?Barrel Factory 1/12 twist, 26" barrel
Chrono Oehler 35p 9 ft from muzzle.
Temp 92.3 F
R.H 28.9
Baro 29.90
Elev 98 feet
Case - Lapua, Cases are full length resized
Primer- GM215M (Federal Magnum Match)
Powder- Varget--44.4 grs
Bullet -Lapua 170 lock Base
Coal - 2.810
2754 fps
This load is just starting to get on the warm side. Primers are just starting to flatten. No sticky bolt lift.
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/16/2014
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Rustybroadhead wrote: I need some data on 208AMAX for a 308. There was a great thread on the old site, can I get someone to re-post some of that data
Thanks!
Here you go buddy, this will take you to the first post by MontanaMarine.Thanks!
Just scroll through the threads. Hope this helps.
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/showthread.php?t=24338
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/16/2014
sakobob wrote:
sakobob,L1A1SLR wrote: Rifle AI AW
Barrel Factory 1/12 twist, 26" barrel
Chrono Oehler 35p 9 ft from muzzle.
Temp 92.3 F
R.H 28.9
Baro 29.90
Elev 98 feet
Case - Lapua, Cases are full length resized
Primer- GM215M (Federal Magnum Match)
Powder- Varget--44.4 grs
Bullet -Lapua 170 lock Base
Coal - 2.810
2754 fps
This load is just starting to get on the warm side. Primers are just starting to flatten. No sticky bolt lift.
are those the d46 170 that are discontinued ? and why are you using mag primers?Barrel Factory 1/12 twist, 26" barrel
Chrono Oehler 35p 9 ft from muzzle.
Temp 92.3 F
R.H 28.9
Baro 29.90
Elev 98 feet
Case - Lapua, Cases are full length resized
Primer- GM215M (Federal Magnum Match)
Powder- Varget--44.4 grs
Bullet -Lapua 170 lock Base
Coal - 2.810
2754 fps
This load is just starting to get on the warm side. Primers are just starting to flatten. No sticky bolt lift.
They are the B476
http://www.lapua.com/en/products/reloading/bullets
I used the mag primers cause that's all I had at the time when I was doing load development.
All the store were dry, couldn't find any standard large rifle primers at the time. I've been using mag primers ever since.
I had to up .4 of a grain with this new lot number. See below.
Must add, that powder was weighed on a Lyman DPS II
I'm going back to beam scales to try and lower the ES and SD.
| 2208 | 44.8 grns | Lot No MEM4979 | ||
| Series | 3 | Shots: | 10 | |
| Min | 2748 | Max | 2783 | |
| Avg | 2765 | S-D | 12 | |
| ES | 35 | |||
| 29 c | 1004 hPa | |||
| Series | Shot | Speed | DA 696 | H 60% |
| 3 | 1 | 2748 | ft/sec | |
| 3 | 2 | 2757 | ft/sec | |
| 3 | 3 | 2751 | ft/sec | |
| 3 | 4 | 2783 | ft/sec | |
| 3 | 5 | 2759 | ft/sec | |
| 3 | 6 | 2762 | ft/sec | |
| 3 | 7 | 2777 | ft/sec | |
| 3 | 8 | 2760 | ft/sec | |
| 3 | 9 | 2777 | ft/sec | |
| 3 | 10 | 2782 | ft/sec | |
| ---- | ---- | ---- | ---- |
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/16/2014
L1a1slr, thanks for the link.
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/17/2014 Last edited 10/17/2014 by excessfreebore
JSTARSZ wrote:
JSTARZ those are moving out! Nice velocities, I've never worked with 748 but this is impressive. Any signs of pressure? thanks for posting.| 178 Hornady AMAX - 44.3 GR Winchester 748 - COAL 2.835" - 24" Bartlein Barrel | |||
| 1 | 2732 | ft/s | |
| 2 | 2714 | ft/s | |
| 3 | 2767 | ft/s | |
| 4 | 2749 | ft/s | |
| 5 | 2778 | ft/s | |
| 6 | 2774 | ft/s | |
| 7 | 2749 | ft/s | |
| 8 | 2693 | ft/s | |
| 9 | 2757 | ft/s | |
| 10 | 2762 | ft/s | |
| 11 | 2759 | ft/s | |
| 12 | 2757 | ft/s | |
| 13 | 2765 | ft/s | |
| 14 | 2758 | ft/s | |
| 15 | 2750 | ft/s | |
| 16 | 2741 | ft/s | |
| 17 | 2741 | ft/s | |
| 18 | 2758 | ft/s | |
| Min | 2693 | Max | 2778 |
| Avg | 2750 | S-D | 20.7 |
| ES | 85 |
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/18/2014
Custom .308 with Stiller Tac 30 , 28" HV 1:11.25 Bartlein, Jewell hvr , AICS
42.0 IMR 4064, 178 amax, Lapua brass, Fgm210m, at 2.230 to ogive. 2725 fps.
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Also, 185 juggernaut
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Other juggernaut load is 47.0 PP2000mr. At 2.850 Coal. ( can't remember ogive ). Same brass and primer.
2830 fps average. 28.5 moa at 1,000 yards with 100 yard zero
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/18/2014
Forgot to add this pic. The flyer was my fault. But the next three were good to go. I simply adjusted horizontal to keep same poa w/o tearing up sticker. (3/4" circle) This is same load as the 42.0 IMR 4064 with 178 amax at 2.230 to ogive.
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/18/2014
Must add, that powder was weighed on a Lyman DPS II
I'm going back to beam scales to try and lower the ES and SD.
I've also found that sorting newly purchased brass after it's first firing by "straightness" and neck thickness uniformity yields good results. Cases that stay straight after that first firing are more likely to be of uniform thickness throughout the case itself.
OK, it may take me two or three boxes of brass in order to end up with ONE box after sorting but when I do this I sure do get some nice uniform loads with low SD/ES. The rounds even group well at 300 + yards.
My favorite load for my .308 with Benchmark 5-C bbl is 44.1 gr Varget, 175 SMK, Fed or Wolf Primer (I can't tell the difference over the chrono.) with an OAL of 2.825" Need to use a drop tube or be comfortable with the "Varget Crunch".
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/27/2014 Last edited 10/31/2014 by 07yzryder
Rifle: rem 700 blueprinted action
barrel: krieger 19" 1:10
bullet: 185 berger juggernaut
Powder: 43.3 grains varget
Length: 2.11 to ogive (.02 jump)
primer: CCI 200
Brass: Lapua
Velocity: 2611.8 average
SD: 10.31
ES: 11
Grouped 1.7" @200 and 3.3@ 400
ETA: with no wind this just shot 1.1 inch at 200
Data says this load is good to 1190 yards before going sub so ill hopefully test that soon.
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/28/2014
Remington 700 26 inch Bartlein barrel 175 SMK 43.8 varget Lapua Brass Fed 210 primer COAL 2.855 2748 FPS 4.3 SD 10 ES
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/03/2014
Anybod have any suggestions for accuracy loads using 168gr Amax and TAC?
Thanks,
John
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/05/2014
ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/327886_.html&page=1
Bullet weight: 168 grains. HPBT
Start load: 40.1 grains (2475 – 2575 Ft/p/sec)
Maximum load: 44.5 grains (2700 – 2800 Ft/p/sec).
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/12/2014
GAP Crudader. 1:11.25 22" bartlein.
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5 shots at 110 yards.
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The lower group was shot from my 6.5 creedmor. It isn't relative.
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/12/2014
44.1 gr Varget
178 a-max
Hornady match brass trimmed to 2.010
CCI BR2's
Neck sized only with lee collet die, gives me about .0015 neck tension
Seated at 2.235" to Ogive
Awesome load for my SPS Varmint, it's solid out to 1k. Don't have a chrono but 2650 has me right on with Ballistic AE
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/18/2014
TRG-22 with a 26" Bartlein barrel
44.3gr Varget
BR2 primer
Lapua case
185gr Berger Hybrids
2.300 OAL
2720 fps
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/18/2014
Many good loads for 308:
For 175 SMKs and Win/BHA brass:
42.4 gr IMR 4895 (a little on the slow side, but OMFG accurate!)
47.5 gr PP 2000-MR (zippy)
45.0 gr Varget
For 168 SMKs and Win/BHA brass:
46.0 gr Varget
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/19/2014 Last edited 11/19/2014 by Diver160651
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Lapua Brass: Neck turned (skimmed to .0145)
FL Sized - neck bushing .334
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/19/2014
Larue OBR 1:11.25 Twist 20inch
M118LR clone using Varget
175Gr SMK, 42.5gr Varget, LC 07 LR Brass [trimmed, not weighed], magazine length
[Not even remote pressure signs.]
String 1 - 9 Shots - Warm Rifle (as oppsoed to cold or scortching hot):
Low: 2548.41(ft/sec)
High: 2567.87
Adv: 2558.00
Variation: 19.46 (ft/sec)
SD: 7.21
1: 2553.79
2: 2558.65
3: 2553.25
4: 2567.87
5: 2564.61
6: 2564.07
7: 2548.41
8: 2562.44
9: 2548.95
Grouping was about 1 inch... 4-5 shots in the center at about 1/2 inch, rest circling around the edges about 1 to 1.25 inches. [Second time using the rifle...]
Seems like a winner in a Larue 20 inch OBR.
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/27/2014 Last edited 10/31/2014 by 07yzryder
Rifle: rem 700 blueprinted action
barrel: krieger 19" 1:10
bullet: 185 berger juggernaut
Powder: 43.3 grains varget
Length: 2.11 to ogive (.02 jump)
primer: CCI 200
Brass: Lapua
Velocity: 2611.8 average
SD: 10.31
ES: 11
Grouped 1.7" @200 and 3.3@ 400
ETA: with no wind this just shot 1.1 inch at 200
Data says this load is good to 1190 yards before going sub so ill hopefully test that soon.
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Re: 308 Winchester
10/28/2014
Remington 700 26 inch Bartlein barrel 175 SMK 43.8 varget Lapua Brass Fed 210 primer COAL 2.855 2748 FPS 4.3 SD 10 ES
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/03/2014
Anybod have any suggestions for accuracy loads using 168gr Amax and TAC?
Thanks,
John
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/05/2014
Hondo64d wrote:
Anybod have any suggestions for accuracy loads using 168gr Amax and TAC?
Thanks,
John
thread here has an email from ramshot with a starting load. hopefully at least that gives ytou some where to start .Anybod have any suggestions for accuracy loads using 168gr Amax and TAC?
Thanks,
John
ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/327886_.html&page=1
Bullet weight: 168 grains. HPBT
Start load: 40.1 grains (2475 – 2575 Ft/p/sec)
Maximum load: 44.5 grains (2700 – 2800 Ft/p/sec).
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/12/2014
GAP Crudader. 1:11.25 22" bartlein.
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5 shots at 110 yards.
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The lower group was shot from my 6.5 creedmor. It isn't relative.
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/12/2014
44.1 gr Varget
178 a-max
Hornady match brass trimmed to 2.010
CCI BR2's
Neck sized only with lee collet die, gives me about .0015 neck tension
Seated at 2.235" to Ogive
Awesome load for my SPS Varmint, it's solid out to 1k. Don't have a chrono but 2650 has me right on with Ballistic AE
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/18/2014
TRG-22 with a 26" Bartlein barrel
44.3gr Varget
BR2 primer
Lapua case
185gr Berger Hybrids
2.300 OAL
2720 fps
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/18/2014
Many good loads for 308:
For 175 SMKs and Win/BHA brass:
42.4 gr IMR 4895 (a little on the slow side, but OMFG accurate!)
47.5 gr PP 2000-MR (zippy)
45.0 gr Varget
For 168 SMKs and Win/BHA brass:
46.0 gr Varget
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/19/2014 Last edited 11/19/2014 by Diver160651
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| 308 Deviant 1-10 26” | Powder | Grains | Primmer | COAL | OGIVE | RIFLE LANDS | FPS | |
| TRIM 2.005 Chamber 1.571 | COAL | OGIVE | ||||||
| 175gr SMK | Varget | 43.5 | FGMM | 2.84 | 2.255 | 2.840 | 2.265 | 2745 |
Lapua Brass: Neck turned (skimmed to .0145)
FL Sized - neck bushing .334
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/19/2014
Larue OBR 1:11.25 Twist 20inch
M118LR clone using Varget
175Gr SMK, 42.5gr Varget, LC 07 LR Brass [trimmed, not weighed], magazine length
[Not even remote pressure signs.]
String 1 - 9 Shots - Warm Rifle (as oppsoed to cold or scortching hot):
Low: 2548.41(ft/sec)
High: 2567.87
Adv: 2558.00
Variation: 19.46 (ft/sec)
SD: 7.21
1: 2553.79
2: 2558.65
3: 2553.25
4: 2567.87
5: 2564.61
6: 2564.07
7: 2548.41
8: 2562.44
9: 2548.95
Grouping was about 1 inch... 4-5 shots in the center at about 1/2 inch, rest circling around the edges about 1 to 1.25 inches. [Second time using the rifle...]
Seems like a winner in a Larue 20 inch OBR.
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/20/2014
I'm just getting started with a Howa 1500, 24" heavy barrel in .308.
Only load I have so far that the gun that it really seems to like is:
155 Amax
Hornady Match Brass
IMR 4064 46grns
Fed 210
Can anybody tell me how much 4064 to start with using LC brass. I figured to drop down to 44 grns for starters. Any suggestions appreciated. Have a bunch of LC brass and I wanted to see if I can get close to the load listed above accuracy wise and near the velocity which is at 2930 with my friends chrono.
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/21/2014
Accuracy International AT - 24 Inch 1:12 - with AI muzzle break.
175gr Berger Match OTM Tactical
Lapua Brass
Federal 210M
44.5gr AR2208 (Varget)
CAOL 2.880
Jump 0.020
2740fps
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/25/2014
Rem 700 SPS Tac. 20" 1:12
175 SMK's (seconds)
41.5 H4895
LC 04 brass
CCI BR2 primers
Center 3 shots outlier is cold bore. I shot the other two and adjusted my zero.
Top 3 groups are five shots each. I have a very unstable platform to shoot from, so most of the dispersion is me. The last group I changed my position and sucked it in...it will do better.
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/25/2014 Last edited 12/05/2014 by Aimsmall55
Custom built .308. Stiller Tac 30 action on a 28" Bartlein HV 1:11.25
43.3 grains of Varget, fgm210m, lapua brass, 185 Juggernaut @ 2.210 to ogive.
Oehler35P Chronograph at 15'
58 degrees F
4 shots with a SD of 4 and averaging 2657 fps. So it's about 2680 at muzzle.
3/4" Dot circle. .20 moa
105 yards
[IMG2=JSON]{"alt":" photo 725CD661-7F97-478E-87AB-C5D31B57AD67_zpskhyxjdwa.jpg","data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i1355.photobucket.com\/albums\/q715\/Todd_Ellis\/shooting%20pics\/725CD661-7F97-478E-87AB-C5D31B57AD67_zpskhyxjdwa.jpg"}[/IMG2]
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/27/2014
168gr SMK
44.4gr IMR 4064
FC Brass
2,780fps
24" AINA barrel (Bartlein 5r 1:12")
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12/06/2014
44.3 varget. ( little warm fellas, proceed working up to it) 178 amax at 2.225 to ogive (2.861"). Lapua brass, FGM210M, 28" Bartlein 1:11.25, stiller Tac 30 action.
Haven't Chono'd it yet but I imagine it's some where in the 2760 to 2790 fps range.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/06/2014
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--- Aimsmall55 wrote:
44.3 varget. ( little warm fellas, proceed working up to it) 178 amax at 2.225 to ogive (2.861"). Lapua brass, FGM210M, 28" Bartlein 1:11.25, stiller Tac 30 action.
Haven't Chono'd it yet but I imagine it's some where in the 2760 to 2790 fps range.
---------------------------------------------
New to this and learning.
What are you jumping them then? Im jumping the 175smk .010 out of my 5R. Started working up 178AMAX jumping at .020 while trying to run an OCW on it.
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12/08/2014
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--- eicas wrote:
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--- Aimsmall55 wrote:
44.3 varget. ( little warm fellas, proceed working up to it) 178 amax at 2.225 to ogive (2.861"). Lapua brass, FGM210M, 28" Bartlein 1:11.25, stiller Tac 30 action.
Haven't Chono'd it yet but I imagine it's some where in the 2760 to 2790 fps range.
---------------------------------------------
New to this and learning.
What are you jumping them then? Im jumping the 175smk .010 out of my 5R. Started working up 178AMAX jumping at .020 while trying to run an OCW on it.
---------------------------------------------
I'm jumping about 50/1000". They and the 185 juggernauts like to jump in my rifle.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/09/2014
Hey All, I didn't see anything in reading thru, but does anyone have info on the 168gr Berger Hybrid's Load data and or results? 24 inch 1:11.25 Bartlein Also does anyone have the Berger Reloading book? Trying to figure out if it is worth $30 if I am only planning to use it for this one bullet.
Much thanks!
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/10/2014
aimsmall:
Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/16/2014 Last edited 12/16/2014 by 07yzryder
would the twist speed effect velocity? im running a 10 twist.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/18/2014
As a general rule, a 1:10 will stabilize better with bigger bullets and shorter bbls. However , a 1:12 usually pushes a 175 grain pill a little faster than a 1:10.
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12/20/2014
Anyone have a 308 load using 178 amax's and Reloader 15? This will be for my GAP-10 that should be getting finished soon.
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12/25/2014
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/26/2014
43.1 grains RL15, seat bullet to 2.8 C.O.A.L.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/26/2014
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--- Pack51479 wrote:
Anyone have a 308 load using 178 amax's and Reloader 15? This will be for my GAP-10 that should be getting finished soon.
---------------------------------------------
I started working up a load using RE15, 175AMAX, and Lapua brass for my Remington 7005R. It just didndt seem to like them as much as the 175SMK so I just kind of stopped the process. Perhaps revisit it again. I'm going to try some of the Berger 175gr OTM Tacticals as I read they are a secant/tangent hybrid and are perhaps more tolerent to jump that the AMAX. The COAL on those AMAX loads juping them .010 or 020 was nuts.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/30/2014
Anyone have any reloading data for Reloader 17 for Nosler 168gr Custom comp, SMK 175gr and Hornady 155 and 178 Amax? I cant seem to find it anywhere for these bullets.
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/05/2015
Has anyone used the Hornady 178 BTHP? I've got about 300 of them. I've got Varget, Rl-15, 4895, and some 748.
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/08/2015
I'm interested too. I just bought 1600 of them . Varget, rl15' and imr 4064
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--- BobM2 wrote:
Has anyone used the Hornady 178 BTHP? I've got about 300 of them. I've got Varget, Rl-15, 4895, and some 748.
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/13/2015
Norma Brass @ 2.005"
168gr SMK
41.5 gr H4895
Federal GM210
2.800" COAL (2.246 ogive)
Easy .5 MOA at 200 yards, smallest groups was about 3/4" at 200 yards. All rounds touching end to end if i do my part. Somewhere around 2600 FPS out of my Remington 700 5R Milspec 24"
43.5 GR was the max load which grouped O.K., I have yet to play with seating depth though.
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/20/2014
I'm just getting started with a Howa 1500, 24" heavy barrel in .308.
Only load I have so far that the gun that it really seems to like is:
155 Amax
Hornady Match Brass
IMR 4064 46grns
Fed 210
Can anybody tell me how much 4064 to start with using LC brass. I figured to drop down to 44 grns for starters. Any suggestions appreciated. Have a bunch of LC brass and I wanted to see if I can get close to the load listed above accuracy wise and near the velocity which is at 2930 with my friends chrono.
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/21/2014
Accuracy International AT - 24 Inch 1:12 - with AI muzzle break.
175gr Berger Match OTM Tactical
Lapua Brass
Federal 210M
44.5gr AR2208 (Varget)
CAOL 2.880
Jump 0.020
2740fps
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/25/2014
Rem 700 SPS Tac. 20" 1:12
175 SMK's (seconds)
41.5 H4895
LC 04 brass
CCI BR2 primers
Center 3 shots outlier is cold bore. I shot the other two and adjusted my zero.
Top 3 groups are five shots each. I have a very unstable platform to shoot from, so most of the dispersion is me. The last group I changed my position and sucked it in...it will do better.
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/25/2014 Last edited 12/05/2014 by Aimsmall55
Custom built .308. Stiller Tac 30 action on a 28" Bartlein HV 1:11.25
43.3 grains of Varget, fgm210m, lapua brass, 185 Juggernaut @ 2.210 to ogive.
Oehler35P Chronograph at 15'
58 degrees F
4 shots with a SD of 4 and averaging 2657 fps. So it's about 2680 at muzzle.
3/4" Dot circle. .20 moa
105 yards
[IMG2=JSON]{"alt":" photo 725CD661-7F97-478E-87AB-C5D31B57AD67_zpskhyxjdwa.jpg","data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i1355.photobucket.com\/albums\/q715\/Todd_Ellis\/shooting%20pics\/725CD661-7F97-478E-87AB-C5D31B57AD67_zpskhyxjdwa.jpg"}[/IMG2]
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/27/2014
168gr SMK
44.4gr IMR 4064
FC Brass
2,780fps
24" AINA barrel (Bartlein 5r 1:12")
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/06/2014
44.3 varget. ( little warm fellas, proceed working up to it) 178 amax at 2.225 to ogive (2.861"). Lapua brass, FGM210M, 28" Bartlein 1:11.25, stiller Tac 30 action.
Haven't Chono'd it yet but I imagine it's some where in the 2760 to 2790 fps range.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/06/2014
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--- Aimsmall55 wrote:
44.3 varget. ( little warm fellas, proceed working up to it) 178 amax at 2.225 to ogive (2.861"). Lapua brass, FGM210M, 28" Bartlein 1:11.25, stiller Tac 30 action.
Haven't Chono'd it yet but I imagine it's some where in the 2760 to 2790 fps range.
---------------------------------------------
New to this and learning.
What are you jumping them then? Im jumping the 175smk .010 out of my 5R. Started working up 178AMAX jumping at .020 while trying to run an OCW on it.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/08/2014
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--- eicas wrote:
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--- Aimsmall55 wrote:
44.3 varget. ( little warm fellas, proceed working up to it) 178 amax at 2.225 to ogive (2.861"). Lapua brass, FGM210M, 28" Bartlein 1:11.25, stiller Tac 30 action.
Haven't Chono'd it yet but I imagine it's some where in the 2760 to 2790 fps range.
---------------------------------------------
New to this and learning.
What are you jumping them then? Im jumping the 175smk .010 out of my 5R. Started working up 178AMAX jumping at .020 while trying to run an OCW on it.
---------------------------------------------
I'm jumping about 50/1000". They and the 185 juggernauts like to jump in my rifle.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/09/2014
Hey All, I didn't see anything in reading thru, but does anyone have info on the 168gr Berger Hybrid's Load data and or results? 24 inch 1:11.25 Bartlein Also does anyone have the Berger Reloading book? Trying to figure out if it is worth $30 if I am only planning to use it for this one bullet.
Much thanks!
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/10/2014
aimsmall:
Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/16/2014 Last edited 12/16/2014 by 07yzryder
Aimsmall55 wrote: Custom built .308. Stiller Tac 30 action on a 28" Bartlein HV 1:11.25
43.3 grains of Varget, fgm210m, lapua brass, 185 Juggernaut @ 2.210 to ogive.
Oehler35P Chronograph at 15'
58 degrees F
4 shots with a SD of 4 and averaging 2657 fps. So it's about 2680 at muzzle.
3/4" Dot circle. .20 moa
105 yards
[IMG2=JSON]{"alt":" photo 725CD661-7F97-478E-87AB-C5D31B57AD67_zpskhyxjdwa.jpg","data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i1355.photobucket.com\/albums\/q715\/Todd_Ellis\/shooting%20pics\/725CD661-7F97-478E-87AB-C5D31B57AD67_zpskhyxjdwa.jpg"}[/IMG2]
that load kills it in my rifle as well, just trying to figure out how my MV is so high.... im running 43.3 @ 2.11 to the ogive. but out of a 19 inch barrel and getting 2611FPS at 10 feet. The MV is confirmed on my app as my drop chart is perfect to 1k.43.3 grains of Varget, fgm210m, lapua brass, 185 Juggernaut @ 2.210 to ogive.
Oehler35P Chronograph at 15'
58 degrees F
4 shots with a SD of 4 and averaging 2657 fps. So it's about 2680 at muzzle.
3/4" Dot circle. .20 moa
105 yards
[IMG2=JSON]{"alt":" photo 725CD661-7F97-478E-87AB-C5D31B57AD67_zpskhyxjdwa.jpg","data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i1355.photobucket.com\/albums\/q715\/Todd_Ellis\/shooting%20pics\/725CD661-7F97-478E-87AB-C5D31B57AD67_zpskhyxjdwa.jpg"}[/IMG2]
would the twist speed effect velocity? im running a 10 twist.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/18/2014
As a general rule, a 1:10 will stabilize better with bigger bullets and shorter bbls. However , a 1:12 usually pushes a 175 grain pill a little faster than a 1:10.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/20/2014
Anyone have a 308 load using 178 amax's and Reloader 15? This will be for my GAP-10 that should be getting finished soon.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/25/2014
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/26/2014
Pack51479 wrote:
Anyone have a 308 load using 178 amax's and Reloader 15? This will be for my GAP-10 that should be getting finished soon.
Try the M118LR load.Anyone have a 308 load using 178 amax's and Reloader 15? This will be for my GAP-10 that should be getting finished soon.
43.1 grains RL15, seat bullet to 2.8 C.O.A.L.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/26/2014
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--- Pack51479 wrote:
Anyone have a 308 load using 178 amax's and Reloader 15? This will be for my GAP-10 that should be getting finished soon.
---------------------------------------------
I started working up a load using RE15, 175AMAX, and Lapua brass for my Remington 7005R. It just didndt seem to like them as much as the 175SMK so I just kind of stopped the process. Perhaps revisit it again. I'm going to try some of the Berger 175gr OTM Tacticals as I read they are a secant/tangent hybrid and are perhaps more tolerent to jump that the AMAX. The COAL on those AMAX loads juping them .010 or 020 was nuts.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/30/2014
Anyone have any reloading data for Reloader 17 for Nosler 168gr Custom comp, SMK 175gr and Hornady 155 and 178 Amax? I cant seem to find it anywhere for these bullets.
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/05/2015
Has anyone used the Hornady 178 BTHP? I've got about 300 of them. I've got Varget, Rl-15, 4895, and some 748.
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/08/2015
I'm interested too. I just bought 1600 of them . Varget, rl15' and imr 4064
---------------------------------------------
--- BobM2 wrote:
Has anyone used the Hornady 178 BTHP? I've got about 300 of them. I've got Varget, Rl-15, 4895, and some 748.
---------------------------------------------
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/13/2015
Norma Brass @ 2.005"
168gr SMK
41.5 gr H4895
Federal GM210
2.800" COAL (2.246 ogive)
Easy .5 MOA at 200 yards, smallest groups was about 3/4" at 200 yards. All rounds touching end to end if i do my part. Somewhere around 2600 FPS out of my Remington 700 5R Milspec 24"
43.5 GR was the max load which grouped O.K., I have yet to play with seating depth though.
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/14/2015
Does anybody have any info for 155 grain berger hbrids and imr 4064.
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/18/2015
Have used them and love them. I load them just like 175 SMK's. They sort well with uniform weights and lengths. Only complaint is that others seem to like them too and I've had difficulties finding them in the quantities I want. When I do I order 1k at a time.
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/18/2015
If the weather cooperates I will be shooting the 178 tommorow imr4064
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--- BobM2 wrote:
Has anyone used the Hornady 178 BTHP? I've got about 300 of them. I've got Varget, Rl-15, 4895, and some 748.
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/19/2015
41.6 gr in mixed brass with federal 210 primers running 2.80 coal
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/19/2015 Last edited 01/19/2015 by savagesavy
Savage 11 vt 24" 1:10 factory tube
Hornady match brass
Fed 210 primers
Nosler 180 gr ballistic tip
41.5 gr RL15
2.83 COAL
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/22/2015
Can anyone share their experiences using IMR 4064 with 168 AMAX? I'm seeing starting/max charges all over the place... Some say start at 36gr with a max of 41gr, some say start at 40-41.5gr with a max of 45-46gr. My Hornady manual lists very low charges compared to other sources, but the loads are under their ".308 Service Rifle" section (there is no load with 4064 in the regular .308 section) so maybe that's why.
I've seen many pet loads with 4064 and the 168smk in the 44-46gr range, but I'm unsure if the longer bearing surface and/or different shape of the AMAX would make those loads produce too much pressure. I've already loaded up some rounds from 37-45gr for an OCW test (5rds each in increments of .4gr with FC brass trimmed to 2.009 at a COAL of 2.800), but haven't gotten a chance to test them yet.
Obviously I'm starting at the low end of the spectrum and working up while watching for pressure signs, but any experience or recommendations with this combo would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/25/2015
For the guys loading the 178gr amax bullets, what die set are you using? I have a set of the Hornady Series I custom grade dies and the seating stem leaves a ring around the top of the bullet. I ordered the custom seating stem for the amax bullets to go in it but it still makes a slight impression into the bullet jacket. I am loading 44gr of Varget in Federal brass with a COAL of 2.85.
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Re: 308 Winchester
02/02/2015
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--- 07yzryder wrote:
would the twist speed effect velocity? im running a 10 twist.
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Yes sir it would. A 1:10 twist is going to stabilize better, but you won't get get the velocity as say a 1:12 or 1:11.25.
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Re: 308 Winchester
02/07/2015
Subsonic load
208 amax
11gr trail boss
2.860" coal
Stabilized in my 1:10, and shot sub moa.
No chrono data
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Re: 308 Winchester
02/11/2015
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--- Chelette wrote:
For the guys loading the 178gr amax bullets, what die set are you using? I have a set of the Hornady Series I custom grade dies and the seating stem leaves a ring around the top of the bullet. I ordered the custom seating stem for the amax bullets to go in it but it still makes a slight impression into the bullet jacket. I am loading 44gr of Varget in Federal brass with a COAL of 2.85.
---------------------------------------------
Had the same thing happening with a set from whidden gunworks. I am pretty sure it has to do with the extra length the tip provides and how high the powder will be on a loaded 308 case. They shot fine I read somewhere that using a powder that isnt in big pellets like the IMR4064 I was using would cure it. After shooting a few rounds and seeing it had no impact on the accuracy I decided I didnt really care.
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/14/2015
Does anybody have any info for 155 grain berger hbrids and imr 4064.
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/18/2015
Have used them and love them. I load them just like 175 SMK's. They sort well with uniform weights and lengths. Only complaint is that others seem to like them too and I've had difficulties finding them in the quantities I want. When I do I order 1k at a time.
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/18/2015
If the weather cooperates I will be shooting the 178 tommorow imr4064
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--- BobM2 wrote:
Has anyone used the Hornady 178 BTHP? I've got about 300 of them. I've got Varget, Rl-15, 4895, and some 748.
---------------------------------------------
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/19/2015
eicas wrote:
---------------------------------------------
--- Pack51479 wrote:
Anyone have a 308 load using 178 amax's and Reloader 15? This will be for my GAP-10 that should be getting finished soon.
---------------------------------------------
I started working up a load using RE15, 175AMAX, and Lapua brass for my Remington 7005R. It just didndt seem to like them as much as the 175SMK so I just kind of stopped the process. Perhaps revisit it again. I'm going to try some of the Berger 175gr OTM Tacticals as I read they are a secant/tangent hybrid and are perhaps more tolerent to jump that the AMAX. The COAL on those AMAX loads juping them .010 or 020 was nuts.
I run rl15 in all my 308.---------------------------------------------
--- Pack51479 wrote:
Anyone have a 308 load using 178 amax's and Reloader 15? This will be for my GAP-10 that should be getting finished soon.
---------------------------------------------
I started working up a load using RE15, 175AMAX, and Lapua brass for my Remington 7005R. It just didndt seem to like them as much as the 175SMK so I just kind of stopped the process. Perhaps revisit it again. I'm going to try some of the Berger 175gr OTM Tacticals as I read they are a secant/tangent hybrid and are perhaps more tolerent to jump that the AMAX. The COAL on those AMAX loads juping them .010 or 020 was nuts.
41.6 gr in mixed brass with federal 210 primers running 2.80 coal
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/19/2015 Last edited 01/19/2015 by savagesavy
Savage 11 vt 24" 1:10 factory tube
Hornady match brass
Fed 210 primers
Nosler 180 gr ballistic tip
41.5 gr RL15
2.83 COAL
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/22/2015
Can anyone share their experiences using IMR 4064 with 168 AMAX? I'm seeing starting/max charges all over the place... Some say start at 36gr with a max of 41gr, some say start at 40-41.5gr with a max of 45-46gr. My Hornady manual lists very low charges compared to other sources, but the loads are under their ".308 Service Rifle" section (there is no load with 4064 in the regular .308 section) so maybe that's why.
I've seen many pet loads with 4064 and the 168smk in the 44-46gr range, but I'm unsure if the longer bearing surface and/or different shape of the AMAX would make those loads produce too much pressure. I've already loaded up some rounds from 37-45gr for an OCW test (5rds each in increments of .4gr with FC brass trimmed to 2.009 at a COAL of 2.800), but haven't gotten a chance to test them yet.
Obviously I'm starting at the low end of the spectrum and working up while watching for pressure signs, but any experience or recommendations with this combo would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/25/2015
For the guys loading the 178gr amax bullets, what die set are you using? I have a set of the Hornady Series I custom grade dies and the seating stem leaves a ring around the top of the bullet. I ordered the custom seating stem for the amax bullets to go in it but it still makes a slight impression into the bullet jacket. I am loading 44gr of Varget in Federal brass with a COAL of 2.85.
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Re: 308 Winchester
02/02/2015
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Aimsmall55 wrote: Custom built .308. Stiller Tac 30 action on a 28" Bartlein HV 1:11.25
43.3 grains of Varget, fgm210m, lapua brass, 185 Juggernaut @ 2.210 to ogive.
Oehler35P Chronograph at 15'
58 degrees F
4 shots with a SD of 4 and averaging 2657 fps. So it's about 2680 at muzzle.
3/4" Dot circle. .20 moa
105 yards
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that load kills it in my rifle as well, just trying to figure out how my MV is so high.... im running 43.3 @ 2.11 to the ogive. but out of a 19 inch barrel and getting 2611FPS at 10 feet. The MV is confirmed on my app as my drop chart is perfect to 1k.43.3 grains of Varget, fgm210m, lapua brass, 185 Juggernaut @ 2.210 to ogive.
Oehler35P Chronograph at 15'
58 degrees F
4 shots with a SD of 4 and averaging 2657 fps. So it's about 2680 at muzzle.
3/4" Dot circle. .20 moa
105 yards
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would the twist speed effect velocity? im running a 10 twist.
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Yes sir it would. A 1:10 twist is going to stabilize better, but you won't get get the velocity as say a 1:12 or 1:11.25.
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Re: 308 Winchester
02/07/2015
Subsonic load
208 amax
11gr trail boss
2.860" coal
Stabilized in my 1:10, and shot sub moa.
No chrono data
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Re: 308 Winchester
02/11/2015
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--- Chelette wrote:
For the guys loading the 178gr amax bullets, what die set are you using? I have a set of the Hornady Series I custom grade dies and the seating stem leaves a ring around the top of the bullet. I ordered the custom seating stem for the amax bullets to go in it but it still makes a slight impression into the bullet jacket. I am loading 44gr of Varget in Federal brass with a COAL of 2.85.
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Had the same thing happening with a set from whidden gunworks. I am pretty sure it has to do with the extra length the tip provides and how high the powder will be on a loaded 308 case. They shot fine I read somewhere that using a powder that isnt in big pellets like the IMR4064 I was using would cure it. After shooting a few rounds and seeing it had no impact on the accuracy I decided I didnt really care.
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