50 Tomahawks for al-Assad -- Mattis Says 20% SAAF Birds Roasted

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I wonder how many "technical advisers" we just smoked?

Ain't we just funkin' now!

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well the US isnt run by a big blubbering pussy anymore...so our enemies better actually start watching themselves, their free reign is over.
 
how many did Germany launch, fk syria, Fk Europe, this is not our fight.

Coalition of The Willing? The coalition is us. It's our fight now, because we sure as shit anted up. Perhaps history will smile kindly upon those who would punish a criminal regime for poisoning children with Sarin.
 
Coalition of The Willing? The coalition is us. It's our fight now, because we sure as shit anted up. Perhaps history will smile kindly upon those who would punish a criminal regime for poisoning children with Sarin.

Just like how history has proven dropping the A bomb's on Japan was the right move. Just because you gotta make a tough choice doesn't make it the wrong one. Unless of course you CNNs version of history
 
So as we start another open ended war with yet another Arab country, yet again with no actual idea of how we will actually make this work,
(As opposed to all our other endless wars in the middle east which are going just so well), perhaps we should maybe ask a few questions:

Starting a war just to prove you are tougher than the last president may sound good to certain people, once you openly start bombing another country, (as opposed to arming and funding rebels under the pretense of "fighting terrorists") it rarely is something you can just walk away from, and it seems we have no actual idea of where this is going than the rest of the wars we are waging.

Was any research done to see who actually might have benefited from the chemical attack? Seems Assad would have little to gain, and it would not be any more strategically useful than what a couple barrel bombs could do.

So what's the plan for Syria, I'm guessing it's going to be like the rest of our plans.... let Saudi funded Sunni extremists slaughter everybody who isn't a Wahhabist while saying that's too bad... and not lifting a finger to stop it... (Did we do a single thing to stop the ISIS slaughter of the Yatzis in Iraq?)

Then after you put in some western puppet stooge that's a traitor to their own people as the "leader" the whole thing falls apart and turns into another Sunni islamist chaos state where every bad actor can have all the fun they want.... oh and of course make enemies out of a couple generations of more people and then bleat on talk shows about why do they hate us?

Maybe if someone actually put forward a plan to accept nothing less than a proper democratic state with true freedom of religion (including.... GASP the freedom to convert from Islam to Christianity), actual human rights (including perhaps you know that Women are actually people), Actual democracy where people can actually vote freely for their government (you know instead of just from a few brutal warlords who made a deal with the CIA). Perhaps a plan to actually set them up with a decent army that does something other than oppress the locals, maybe a police force that doesn't condone kidnapping and keeping little boys as sex slaves while we shut down anyone who objects to it...

So any plan other than get rid of the current government, turn the country over to Islamic extremists to do a full ethnic cleansing and mass genocide (but don't worry they will use bullets, bulldozers, bombs, burning etc.. but will keep their chemical weapons to just Chlorine gas for their genocide.) Then somehow hope for the best? Maybe after they kill everyone they don't like the extremists will suddenly become all nice and friendly?

Good luck!
 
Iran is scared?This will show North Korea we ain't playing around? They will never be impressed until they are dead. They are lovin this shit. Zealots are that way

Russia, Turkey, Kurds, Isis, and god knows who else. 100,000 Iranian troops next door. I hope Trump can finish what Obama left on the back burner.I see a long haul with no real help from anyone else in the world. I see totally fucked up ROE again for us and nothing gets resolved because these fucking idol worshiper have been killing each other for thousands of years.

Only one world leader knew how to deal with them and his name was Vlad.

 
So as we start another open ended war with yet another Arab country, yet again with no actual idea of how we will actually make this work,
(As opposed to all our other endless wars in the middle east which are going just so well), perhaps we should maybe ask a few questions:

Starting a war just to prove you are tougher than the last president may sound good to certain people, once you openly start bombing another country, (as opposed to arming and funding rebels under the pretense of "fighting terrorists") it rarely is something you can just walk away from, and it seems we have no actual idea of where this is going than the rest of the wars we are waging.

Was any research done to see who actually might have benefited from the chemical attack? Seems Assad would have little to gain, and it would not be any more strategically useful than what a couple barrel bombs could do.

So what's the plan for Syria, I'm guessing it's going to be like the rest of our plans.... let Saudi funded Sunni extremists slaughter everybody who isn't a Wahhabist while saying that's too bad... and not lifting a finger to stop it... (Did we do a single thing to stop the ISIS slaughter of the Yatzis in Iraq?)

Then after you put in some western puppet stooge that's a traitor to their own people as the "leader" the whole thing falls apart and turns into another Sunni islamist chaos state where every bad actor can have all the fun they want.... oh and of course make enemies out of a couple generations of more people and then bleat on talk shows about why do they hate us?

Maybe if someone actually put forward a plan to accept nothing less than a proper democratic state with true freedom of religion (including.... GASP the freedom to convert from Islam to Christianity), actual human rights (including perhaps you know that Women are actually people), Actual democracy where people can actually vote freely for their government (you know instead of just from a few brutal warlords who made a deal with the CIA). Perhaps a plan to actually set them up with a decent army that does something other than oppress the locals, maybe a police force that doesn't condone kidnapping and keeping little boys as sex slaves while we shut down anyone who objects to it...

So any plan other than get rid of the current government, turn the country over to Islamic extremists to do a full ethnic cleansing and mass genocide (but don't worry they will use bullets, bulldozers, bombs, burning etc.. but will keep their chemical weapons to just Chlorine gas for their genocide.) Then somehow hope for the best? Maybe after they kill everyone they don't like the extremists will suddenly become all nice and friendly?

Good luck!

Yours is a reasonable plea to forethought and planning... but...

the assumption of democracy 'thousand points of light" as a desired system or one that is culturally acceptable is too far a reach. You point to some of the main arguments of why just such an objective is not achievable - at least not militarily. You can't say, 'be civilized or I'll kill you'. It's kind of being what you're trying to get rid of.

There is no sense in invading a country because you don't like their norms and behavior. I don't seriously believe Trump bombed the syrians because the syrians were murderous towards civvies. He bombed them because he's sending a clear and loud message to Messrs: N. Korea, Russia, China and whoever else is on the radar that we don't know about. There is a new sheriff, and if you use tactics that I think can be used against me, well, you'll get a stomping. I hope some folks are second guessing their ICBM programs, their S. China Sea island building, their 'secret' nuclear program and their "i'll just invade Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia this weekend" fantasies.

It's just that kind of a world now. Why? Because the previous Pres. didn't have the balls to do it when his 'line in the sand' was stepped over and his shoes peed on. Something about sparing the rod spoiling the child...
 
Russia is just waking up to this. I might suggest fueling up the trucks and a long weekend in the country with everything you think that you might need for a while.
 
Russia is just waking up to this. I might suggest fueling up the trucks and a long weekend in the country with everything you think that you might need for a while.
Shit I just got home (see "whats your view thread") take me just a few minutes to re-arm and get more provisions.
 
Damn, I head out for a few beers, spend a few hours helping a buddy make a final decision on his first ever AR15 purchase, and the world gets interesting again.

W54/XM-388, as a guy who got to see 4 years of the Afgh lunacy, I totally understand your viewpoint. What I'm hoping for is more of the Reagan/Bush 41 mindset of "Tomahawk Diplomacy" where we said "fuck you and yours" without getting bogged down in Nation Building where no true "nation" has existed since the advent of Islam (generally speaking of course)

Either way, the huge part of me that's been fucking disgusted with our 8 year Worldwide Weakness Tour has got a 'Murica chubby that we just whipped our dick out. I sincerely hope we don't end up stepping on it.
 
Shit I just got home (see "whats your view thread") take me just a few minutes to re-arm and get more provisions.

I live way too close to a guaranteed secondary target to even think about getting out of Dodge City in an exchange. As it is, the clogged highways would have us trying to run under power lines and over ridges, were there a chance and it came to that. And I don't think I'd be headed anywhere with annual rainfall of 3". That's just insane. Still, who knows how they'll react?
 
Veer you funky dawg love that track .
An appropriate demonstration of 0.001 % of US Mil capability : minimal loss of life and effective infrastructure damage .
The only negative for me is putting up with the snowflake media response over the next week or so ....
 
Veer you funky dawg love that track .
An appropriate demonstration of 0.001 % of US Mil capability : minimal loss of life and effective infrastructure damage .
The only negative for me is putting up with the snowflake media response over the next week or so ....

I just woke up and peeked. Apparently, the body count is 5, and we managed to miss the chemical ordnance in its entirety. RT is going out of their minds, and has reported that US flight ops in the area have been unilaterally suspended. Of course, we will be blamed for every military setback against ISIS/ISIL from here on out, because we obliterated one of their multiple military airfields.
 
You don't gas kids and get off Scott free, that's the message.

I'm going to take it a step further and say that I'm disgusted by some of the shit I've seen typed out here so far about the Syrian gas attack. It doesn't matter where it happens, it doesn't matter what language they speak, it doesn't matter what their parents engage in theologically, what the color of their skin is, or whether or not there's half a chance that you can drag them kicking and screaming towards your particular Message. They're fucking KIDS and they deserve whatever little shot at a small amount of comfort and happiness they can find in this fucked-up world. They don't deserve to die gasping like fish on a river bank, soaked in their own vomit. Real men of good faith defend the innocent and punish the wicked who hurt them. What we did may have been an imperfect response, but I can live with it if it brought about any measure of justice for the 27 children murdered by the al-Assad regime.
 
Just like how history has proven dropping the A bomb's on Japan was the right move. Just because you gotta make a tough choice doesn't make it the wrong one. Unless of course you CNNs version of history

Ummm dropping the A bomb on Japan was the right move.
 
I'm going to take it a step further and say that I'm disgusted by some of the shit I've seen typed out here so far about the Syrian gas attack. It doesn't matter where it happens, it doesn't matter what language they speak, it doesn't matter what their parents engage in theologically, what the color of their skin is, or whether or not there's half a chance that you can drag them kicking and screaming towards your particular Message. They're fucking KIDS and they deserve whatever little shot at a small amount of comfort and happiness they can find in this fucked-up world. They don't deserve to die gasping like fish on a river bank, soaked in their own vomit. Real men of good faith defend the innocent and punish the wicked who hurt them. What we did may have been an imperfect response, but I can live with it if it brought about any measure of justice for the 27 children murdered by the al-Assad regime.

All good points as long as you get the right people with your message.

There is no logical reason for Assad to use chems except for one of these three 1. A fuck up, 2. He doesn't have control of all his forces, 3. He didn't.

Everyone was all gung ho when the North Vietnamese sent PT boats after the Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin....er wait a minute.
 
So as we start another open ended war with yet another Arab country, yet again with no actual idea of how we will actually make this work,
(As opposed to all our other endless wars in the middle east which are going just so well), perhaps we should maybe ask a few questions:

Starting a war just to prove you are tougher than the last president may sound good to certain people, once you openly start bombing another country, (as opposed to arming and funding rebels under the pretense of "fighting terrorists") it rarely is something you can just walk away from, and it seems we have no actual idea of where this is going than the rest of the wars we are waging.

Was any research done to see who actually might have benefited from the chemical attack? Seems Assad would have little to gain, and it would not be any more strategically useful than what a couple barrel bombs could do.

So what's the plan for Syria, I'm guessing it's going to be like the rest of our plans.... let Saudi funded Sunni extremists slaughter everybody who isn't a Wahhabist while saying that's too bad... and not lifting a finger to stop it... (Did we do a single thing to stop the ISIS slaughter of the Yatzis in Iraq?)

Then after you put in some western puppet stooge that's a traitor to their own people as the "leader" the whole thing falls apart and turns into another Sunni islamist chaos state where every bad actor can have all the fun they want.... oh and of course make enemies out of a couple generations of more people and then bleat on talk shows about why do they hate us?

Maybe if someone actually put forward a plan to accept nothing less than a proper democratic state with true freedom of religion (including.... GASP the freedom to convert from Islam to Christianity), actual human rights (including perhaps you know that Women are actually people), Actual democracy where people can actually vote freely for their government (you know instead of just from a few brutal warlords who made a deal with the CIA). Perhaps a plan to actually set them up with a decent army that does something other than oppress the locals, maybe a police force that doesn't condone kidnapping and keeping little boys as sex slaves while we shut down anyone who objects to it...

So any plan other than get rid of the current government, turn the country over to Islamic extremists to do a full ethnic cleansing and mass genocide (but don't worry they will use bullets, bulldozers, bombs, burning etc.. but will keep their chemical weapons to just Chlorine gas for their genocide.) Then somehow hope for the best? Maybe after they kill everyone they don't like the extremists will suddenly become all nice and friendly?

Good luck!

I don't think it's about starting a war to see who's tougher. Everybody is already freezing out about this being the start to another war. It was about sending a clear cut message to Assad and the rest of the world that America is no longer to be fucked with, and you don't do shit like this and get away with it any more. It was one strategic strike on a military opposites base at an opportune time. The reason it was done at 4:00am was. It just for the element of surprise, it was to limit the casualty loss knowing that not as many personnel would be there at that time. If we really wanted to start a war we would have tKen out all of their air power and other Military installations in one swoop last night but we didn't. I don't think Trump or the administration wants to go full out over there, hence the Tomahawk showers last night.


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Just something to think about...

We know it was a helicopter, we know when it left from the airbase, we know the pilot was eating a falafel sandwich and his nickname was Joe, he had exactly 700 pounds of fuel on board and returned to the air base before he finished his scwarma

but


we don't know if Trump colluded with the Russians during the election and Susan Rice did nothing unethical or illegal.

okay.
 
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All good points as long as you get the right people with your message.

There is no logical reason for Assad to use chems except for one of these three 1. A fuck up, 2. He doesn't have control of all his forces, 3. He didn't.

Everyone was all gung ho when the North Vietnamese sent PT boats after the Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin....er wait a minute.

I'd add another very slim possibility. 4) Russia talked them into using a chem weapon.
 
I'd add another very slim possibility. 4) Russia talked them into using a chem weapon.

To what "test Trump".

Putins got his own problems at home. Trump this week just committed to domestic matters and now Putin wants to draw him into more ham fisted US global involvement.

If that is the case Id say Pelosi and Schumer are colluding with Russia as nothing else could help them so much as getting Trump off domestic policy and entangling him in foreign affairs.


Putin is tired of the EU/Nato encroaching on his borders distracting him from his domestic issues, he has to come to terms still with the fallout of the end of WWII and stalin drawing artificial lines over the historical divisions of people. Stalin gave no account to ethnic/linquistic lines or if he did it was to create minorities where once there were majorities - he gerrymandered his power and now it is causing problems.

I'm all for blasting anyone using chems as an expression of condemnation but you better make sure you give the message to the right party.


 
So if the Russians knew ahead of time did they all put their hands in their pockets and whistle while nonchalantly strolling to the other side of the base? Based on that who's the real asshole in this scenario?

And you know right before the missles hit one of the Syrians looked around and went "Hey where'd all the Russian guys go?"
 
So if the Russians knew ahead of time did they all put their hands in their pockets and whistle while nonchalantly strolling to the other side of the base? Based on that who's the real asshole in this scenario?

And you know right before the missles hit one of the Syrians looked around and went "Hey where'd all the Russian guys go?"

Dog and Pony show.

Cruise missles or fighters which are more agile?

Weren't we told Russia has there top of the line air defenses in Syria. In the past their air defenses were considered good enough that they were highest priority targets.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...ssia-deploying-air-defense-missiles-to-syria/

Did the air defenses get used or targeted? If no why not?

This is all so stupid. Like we have learned nothing from close to 30 years of useless war.

Its made a good career for some Raytheon guys I guess.
 
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To what "test Trump".

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I guess that would depend on what they thought Trump's reaction would be. They've stopped communicating with our mil on what/where to keep our aircraft away from one another making it a lot more dangerous place. Could they take advantage of that some way? Maybe get more involved with their forces and limit our mil in the country? I aint got a clue. For all I know some al-qaeda type had a 155mm chem rd stuck under his bed when Syria bombed his house.
 
I guess that would depend on what they thought Trump's reaction would be. They've stopped communicating with our mil on what/where to keep our aircraft away from one another making it a lot more dangerous place. Could they take advantage of that some way? Maybe get more involved with their forces and limit our mil in the country? I aint got a clue. For all I know some al-qaeda type had a 155mm chem rd stuck under his bed when Syria bombed his house.

Your last sentence is probably closer to the truth.
 
I'm going to take it a step further and say that I'm disgusted by some of the shit I've seen typed out here so far about the Syrian gas attack. It doesn't matter where it happens, it doesn't matter what language they speak, it doesn't matter what their parents engage in theologically, what the color of their skin is, or whether or not there's half a chance that you can drag them kicking and screaming towards your particular Message. They're fucking KIDS and they deserve whatever little shot at a small amount of comfort and happiness they can find in this fucked-up world. They don't deserve to die gasping like fish on a river bank, soaked in their own vomit. Real men of good faith defend the innocent and punish the wicked who hurt them. What we did may have been an imperfect response, but I can live with it if it brought about any measure of justice for the 27 children murdered by the al-Assad regime.



Has veer gone sjw?

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You don't gas kids and get off Scott free, that's the message.

Amen brother. While I do my best to adhere to the cowboy wisdom of "Don't mess with something that isn't bothering you", sometimes you just gotta take a swipe at the bad guys snout. I do not discount the point made by W54/XM-388 as it is a thinking mans position. My conscious (yes, I know what that can get you) dictates another few tomahawks headed right for Assad's commode as he's taking a morning shit. One thing, among many, that I hate Jimmy Carter for is Executive Order 12036.
 
Ya, that's why I said it was the right move. The bleeding hearts will cry about bombing Assad just like they cry about the A bomb

Okay we are in agreement.

I thought it refreshing last week when in response to the death of civilians during a strike on ISIS the response was in war people get killed.

Those civilians were not killed because we did something with disregard, those people were killed because ISIS was using them as human shields.

Entering into war is frivolous and cruel if you don't realize the only way to make it less harmful is to end it as fast as possible by going after the enemy wherever they are.

Its done to limit suffering on both sides.

15 years of war in the Middle east is a crime. This war of jabs fails to take into account every once in awhile we give the enemy time to give us a damaging body blow. Tyson these guys in the first 24 seconds and get the fuck out.

 
I'm going to take it a step further and say that I'm disgusted by some of the shit I've seen typed out here so far about the Syrian gas attack. It doesn't matter where it happens, it doesn't matter what language they speak, it doesn't matter what their parents engage in theologically, what the color of their skin is, or whether or not there's half a chance that you can drag them kicking and screaming towards your particular Message. They're fucking KIDS and they deserve whatever little shot at a small amount of comfort and happiness they can find in this fucked-up world. They don't deserve to die gasping like fish on a river bank, soaked in their own vomit. Real men of good faith defend the innocent and punish the wicked who hurt them. What we did may have been an imperfect response, but I can live with it if it brought about any measure of justice for the 27 children murdered by the al-Assad regime.

It's a common reaction to protect children for some.
The real trick is to get the folks of these areas to care about their own and their neighbors.
You can't discount the ideology that wastes children like these.
Golda Meir said it best, "Peace will come when they love their children more than they hate us"
Her statement can be applied in the entire region.

R
 
So Russia just ceased to cooperate over air space coordination. The US should create no fly zones in Syria while Turkey, Jordan, Iraq do the same . Russia needs to get kicked the fuck our of there, cleaning up another Obama mess. If any more chemical attacks come it will be time for the heavy hitters to come out to play.

And I am in agreement with VEER, those people, any people don't deserve to have died like that. Anybody that sides with chemical attacks is a shitstain on a crackwhores mattress.
 
everyone laughs at the prepper until SHTF and then they want his help. I dont think i would be worried about next week. maybe next month though.

If you are really a prepper, you should not be telling people who are not also preppers. The unprepared have numbers in their favor.

It is my feeling that President Trump will not take America to war over this. It is my guess that President Trump, Sec Tillerson & Sec Mattis are resetting expectations for how America will respond to evil, and it is their intension to avoid a great power conflict. I hope they get it right.
 
If you are really a prepper, you should not be telling people who are not also preppers. The unprepared have numbers in their favor.

It is my feeling that President Trump will not take America to war over this. It is my guess that President Trump, Sec Tillerson & Sec Mattis are resetting expectations for how America will respond to evil, and it is their intension to avoid a great power conflict. I hope they get it right.

im not a prepper. i dont have enough land or time to be a prepper. but i do agree with you and this is a pinky flexing that we are letting the world know that we are not pussies any more. we wont let you get away with this shit.
 
Here's what I don't understand, ever since Russia has come to help the Assad regime they have had the advantage over the rebels. Using chemical weapons on civilians doesn't make sense for Assad because he already has the upper hand. What makes sense to me is that someone else used these weapons to motivate others to join the fight against Assad.

Assad knows that using chemical weapons would bring outside forces into play, he saw what happened in Iraq. Also, the Obama admin negotiated a deal to remove the chemical weapons from Syria as a way to stay out of Syria. Now I am not oblivious to the fact that the Syrian military wasn't going to give up all of there chemical weapons. Soviet doctrine was to use chemical weapons as a defensive move and then counter attack. The Soviets/Russians have been training the Syrian Army for decades.

I just can't wrap my head around on what did Assad have to gain from this. We should all be asking who had something to gain by using chemical weapons on civilians and I am pretty sure it wasn't Assad or Russia as their assets just were bombed last night.
 
Here's what I don't understand, ever since Russia has come to help the Assad regime they have had the advantage over the rebels. Using chemical weapons on civilians doesn't make sense for Assad because he already has the upper hand. What makes sense to me is that someone else used these weapons to motivate others to join the fight against Assad.

Assad knows that using chemical weapons would bring outside forces into play, he saw what happened in Iraq. Also, the Obama admin negotiated a deal to remove the chemical weapons from Syria as a way to stay out of Syria. Now I am not oblivious to the fact that the Syrian military wasn't going to give up all of there chemical weapons. Soviet doctrine was to use chemical weapons as a defensive move and then counter attack. The Soviets/Russians have been training the Syrian Army for decades.

I just can't wrap my head around on what did Assad have to gain from this. We should all be asking who had something to gain by using chemical weapons on civilians and I am pretty sure it wasn't Assad or Russia as their assets just were bombed last night.

Just a thought and maybe i am way off but wouldnt he benefit from it by having the US attack ( which we did) and then russia makes a bigger footprint in the area (which they are doing now) that would give him even more power to win his civil war?

 
Just a thought and maybe i am way off but wouldnt he benefit from it by having the US attack ( which we did) and then russia makes a bigger footprint in the area (which they are doing now) that would give him even more power to win his civil war?

Russia is not that crazy to comply with that sort of intrigue/suckering.

I see no advantage to Assad for using chems.

Why does Putin want to test Trump when he has basically already been neutered by the Obam leftovers and the establishment. He could have at his leisure sat back and laughed at appellate court justices shitting on Potus.

War tends to unify political opponents.

I don't see any upside for Assad in using chems. Two or three barrel bombs would have been as effective.