6.5 Creedmoor

I have a badger M2008 action with Bartlein 26" barrel. My current load is 42.1gr H4350 pushing the 142gr SMK to 2765fps jammed into the lands. During testing the load it gave me a .30moa group at 500 Next thing I will likely mess with is the seat depth.
 
Wow. Finally found a load tonight.

I made some 130 VLD's last night. Took them out after work tonight. I just blew my own mind.
I'm kinda new at load development, and have previously made 4 other different loads with over 1 moa so I was really hoping to get something together because my factory ammo supply is gone and the online stores aren't in stock, and my previous loads had me doubting myself.

I used 3x fired brass. FL sized it and cut it back down to 1.910.
Berger 130 VLD Hunting
40 grains of V100
CCI 200lr primers
COAL: 2.850 ( I don't have ogive measurements )


3 Shots:
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I couldn't believe myself, thought I had a flier somewhere....3 shots here too:
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IM LOVING THIS V100 AND BERGER 130'S. I don't have a chrony so i don't know speed. Dunno how its gonna be at long range yet either.
 
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Your zero's off :D

I load the 130s at 2.800" to get a .050" jump, but your OAL will depend on your rifle's throat.

I loaded up 20 rounds using the 140 Hybrids on the Satorius at 42.5 gr. +/- .02gr. I wanna see how they shoot compared to what I loaded on using the ChargemMaster.

BTW, it takes about 10-20 minutes for the Satorius to warm up and stabilize. The ChargeMaster take even longer. In fact, I never turn it off.
 
Chargemaster warm up? I just turn mine on and charge away. Seems to work good that way for me. How do you know its not stabilizing until a long warm up time so I know what to look for.
 
I was reading the Berger manual and it said the vlds had a sweet spot and recommended 5 load depths. 10/1000 in lands 10/1000 off lands and subtract by 40/1000 for the next 3. So I did this. I found my rifle shoots better with a jump. 120/1000" jump! 140 vld fgm210m 2.129 to ogive. 42.6 h4350

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Aimsmall, awesome group once again. Can you tell me what your OAL roughly is on average? I can't believe how much difference there is in over length measurements. I HAVE to get a ogive comparator in the .264 but just haven't yet.
 
Any RL-17 data? Or other alternative powder choices?
Hornady:
RL17 is good to go for 120, 130, and 140 grain bullets in their manual. I've loaded bergers with it although didn't do much group testing they shot ok.
Out of their book:
RL17 start load for 120grainer is 40.7gr(2700fps) max 44.3(2950fps) per Hornady
Rl17 start load for their 129 grainer (sst) is 39.2gr(2600fps) max is 43.6gr(2850fps)
RL17 start load for their 140grainer is 38.5gr(2500fps) max is 42gr (2725fps)
These numbers are with Fed210m
 
Hornady:
RL17 is good to go for 120, 130, and 140 grain bullets in their manual. I've loaded bergers with it although didn't do much group testing they shot ok.
Out of their book:
RL17 start load for 120grainer is 40.7gr(2700fps) max 44.3(2950fps) per Hornady
Rl17 start load for their 129 grainer (sst) is 39.2gr(2600fps) max is 43.6gr(2850fps)
RL17 start load for their 140grainer is 38.5gr(2500fps) max is 42gr (2725fps)
These numbers are with Fed210m

I've loaded mine with RL17 with CCI BR2 primer up to 43.8 without pressure signs. Anyone loaded them hotter?
 
It's called drift. Until the electronics warm up the zero and calibration will drift.
Gotcha. Can't say I've seen my unit drift any. My chargemaster has really been through the ringer. Took a tumble off of the 4 wheeler when I was coming down a hill, and my little one got ahold of the cord and yanked it off of my desk once. Its like a Timex I guess. Thanks for the input.
 
Have any of you Creedmoor fellas found a nice niche for Hodgdon HybridV100? It seems this powder is ALWAYS available to me locally, and as such I thought if this pow is worth doing alot of load development for my Savage LRP, I was going to pick up a some more. I would prefer 4350, but I just can't seem to get my hands on the stuff. I have alot of 130 and 140 VLD's, 140 AMAX's, 120 AMAX's, and 142 SMK's.

I have loaded 140 VLD's and 140 AMax's using Hogdon Hybrid V100. I do not find any problems with accuracy or pressure. I just tested the VLD against the AMax using the same load for accuracy. Both produced 5 shot groups of .463"-.465". Shot a total of 5 X 5 shot groups and all were very consistent between the AMax and VLD's.

Here is my data:

24" Krieger Barrel
AICS AX Chassis
BAT Tactical Action
Jewell Trigger

140 gr AMax
42.8 grains Hybrid V100
Seated at .06 jump
WLR Primer
Avg Velocity (5 shot) 2822 fps

140 gr VLD
42.8 grains Hybrid V100
Seated at .06 jump
WLR Primer
Avg Velocity (5 shot) 2942 fps

26" Hart Barrel
McMillan A-TH Stock
Stiller Action
Jewell Trigger

140 gr AMax
42.8 grains Hybrid V100
Seated at .06 jump
WLR Primer
Avg Velocity (5 shot) 2891 fps

140 gr VLD
42.8 grains Hybrid V100
Seated at .06 jump
WLR Primer
Avg Velocity (5 shot) 2963 fps
 
30mm, I'm glad to see you doing ok with the V100. I had not crossed paths or heard of others using it and as such felt kind of reluctant to keep pushing load development. It certainly propels my 130vlds nicely, I had problems with the 140's and I think I just need to work my v100 charge up some more. Thanks 30mm!
 
demo, I have had excellent results with Sierra's, VLD's and AMax's all in 140 gr using H4350 or HV100. I am pleased with the accuracy of both powders. I would say that the HV100 seems to meter a little better than the H4350. Today I loaded 200/500 (140 AMax with HV100) rounds needed for a Rifles Only class in May. The burn rate of HV100 is very close to H4350, take a look at the chart. H4350 is # 114, HV100 is # 118. http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Burn Rates_121211.pdf
 
I have loaded 140 VLD's and 140 AMax's using Hogdon Hybrid V100. I do not find any problems with accuracy or pressure. I just tested the VLD against the AMax using the same load for accuracy. Both produced 5 shot groups of .463"-.465". Shot a total of 5 X 5 shot groups and all were very consistent between the AMax and VLD's.

Here is my data:

24" Krieger Barrel
AICS AX Chassis
BAT Tactical Action
Jewell Trigger

140 gr AMax
42.8 grains Hybrid V100
Seated at .06 jump
WLR Primer
Avg Velocity (5 shot) 2822 fps

140 gr VLD
42.8 grains Hybrid V100
Seated at .06 jump
WLR Primer
Avg Velocity (5 shot) 2942 fps

26" Hart Barrel
McMillan A-TH Stock
Stiller Action
Jewell Trigger

140 gr AMax
42.8 grains Hybrid V100
Seated at .06 jump
WLR Primer
Avg Velocity (5 shot) 2891 fps

140 gr VLD
42.8 grains Hybrid V100
Seated at .06 jump
WLR Primer
Avg Velocity (5 shot) 2963 fps

What was your OAL for the 140VLD's and AMAX's? Are you close to compressed loads?
 
demo,

OAL for the AMax is 2.800", not compressed at all. I do not have a 140 VLD to check it right now, but I now have 400 X AMax's loaded with HV100.
 
Sierra 142 SMK 0.025" off lands
42.6gr H4350
Hornady cases full length sized, .0015" setback on shoulder. (no primer pocket work, sorting or trimming)
Fed 210M primers.

Est 2750 fps using actual data from 22" Obermeyer.

Groups in the .3" at 100. Way more consistent in elevation over factory loads past 800yds.
 
Something else to be aware of loading 6.5 CM w/ Hornaday Brass: IMHO, it would be wise to have a pilot hole reamer and a primer pocket uniformer for this brass. Almost every piece of brass has burrs around the pilot hole, some more than others. Also, the primer pocket depths are inconsistent.

Lastly, the web seems to moves every time you shoot the brass and the uniformer will engage the brass even if it was cut to depth with the uniformer before. (Saw this with Hornaday 308 brass also.) Some of the other 6.5CM shooters at the match mentioned that 8-10 reloads is all the brass is good for and to watch for signs of the cases starting to separate at the web. As usual, watch for loose primer pockets too. It was also mentioned the necks can get brittle after 4-5 reloads, so that's a good time to anneal.
 
been shooting the creedmoor for a while now and heres what i know. the brass has been great. primer pockets have been uniform and no burrs in mine. i anneal after 3-5 firings which you should with any brass anyhow. the brass has been great for me and i have no need for anything else. my rifle and load produce amazing groups routinely and by that i mean i have shot 3 shot groups at 1" at 630yds and had the same or near results numerous times so no fluke. my load is 42.9 of 4350 and a jump of .20 with the 140 amax. its very easy to load for and get great results.
 
Mike I just started reaming my flash holes, and am instantly seeing better results. My best loads to date are 40gr HV100 'n a 130VLD(jammed). Other is 41.5 h4350 140 Amax(2.810). I'm not entirely sure if its a fluke or not but I shot these same loads before reaming flash holes and after. The after groups were much more consistant on the target. I don't have a chrony.

*update
I loaded up 50 rounds into brand new Hornady brass last night and 4 flash holes out of the box had complete "threads"(imagine the look of a stripped thread still in a bolt hole) or shards of brass covering the flash holes partially.
 
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Just to be clear - I am not knocking the Hornaday brass at all. Just making observations.

BTW, I full length resize in a Redding bushing die every time. The die is set to bump the shoulder back ~.001 and I use the .288 bushing. I do not use an expander ball. Also, I trim the cases to 1.920". Concentricity on the loaded rounds is <= .0015". I run the primer pocket uniformer every time as a gauge to see how much the web is moving. Once the pilot holes have been reamed, they are good.

FWIW, I shot 140 Amax factory at a match this weekend as I wanted to claim the brass. Let's just say I'll not be doing that again. My reloads shoot much better.
 
Does anybody shoot the 129 gr. Interbond Superformance ammo from Hornady? I found some for sale and since I can't find the damn amax stuff anywhere, I thought i'd give it a try. Thanks.
 
Anyone know what components the new Nosler factory ammo is supposed to use?

Quoted from Geo-erosive: "Nosler is introducing a long range AccuBond and one of the calibers is 6.5 mm. It is 129 grains and has a BC of 0.561 and a SD of 0.264. This BC is higher than Berger's 130 grain VLD bullets. The Noslers are looking to be $8.00 more than the Bergers. MidwayUSA is expecting them in stock in late March.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/137565/nosler-accubond-long-range-bullets-264-caliber-65mm-264-diameter-129-grain-bonded-spitzer-boat-tail-box-of-100"
 
I've heard of people Varget for 120 gr bullets.

On another note, the dope on my 140 hybrids came out to 2854fps yesterday. It seems as though there may not be any velocity difference between CCI200 primers and Fed 210s. I plan to get some loaded up with both this week and test Friday or Saturday.
 
This last weekend I ran the loads I did with my Satorius scale. Charge was weighed to 42.52 +/- .02 of H4350. After running the dope to get the velocity I got 2854 fps with the 140 Hybrids. This was with the CCI 200s. This weekend I am going to compare CCI 200s to Fed 210s - I doubt I see a diff.
 
I shot this ladder test today:

Sierra 142 SMK
Fully prepped new Hornady brass
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V
CCI #200 primers
COAL 2.780"

The results weren't as conclusive as I wanted though.
 

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I'm stoked. Got some more loads put together this past week. And nailed 2 loads; one for 120amax the other 130vld berger. Finally, I'm nearly done trying to get my gun to shoot sub moa!
These aren't rare groups. At 300feet I shot 3 groups all nearly the exact same sizes as these two. It might not be a big deal to you all, but I'm pumped and wanted to share. All groups were 5 shots, and the gun is zeroed for my 140amax load (which needs major work)


label is wrong, load is 38.6 of Varget and 120amax


This is the load im zeroed for at least until I shoot the rest of it out. At which point I'm going all out 130vld and 120amax's.
 
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Finally got around to doing a little bit of testing. I loaded 50 rounds of 42.52 H4350 with Fed 210 primers and 140 Hybrids and shot it in the match at Peacemaker Saturday. My initial shots at 1000+ plus were about ~.3mil low and about .2 mil low in the 800-900 yard range so I was wondering if they might be a little slower than the identical rounds loaded with CCI 200 primers. Although later I shot my 308 at the 860 target and it was .3 mil low too, so I wonder if the ranges giver for the targets were right. More on that later.

Sunday I shot the Short Course and Head Hunter at TVP with the 130 VLDs with 44.0 H4350 and CCI 200s. I shot really well scoring 102 out of 120 on the short course and 10 of 20 on the Head Hunter. However, I did have a few fliers and I was missing a lot of shots about .2 mil high. Afterwards, when I got back to the bench at 1000, I should have hit at 7.8 mil. Turned about to be 7.5mil. Even at 7.5 mil I would get the occasional .2 mil high shot. Hmmm.

Last I tested the 140 Hybrids again at 1K with Fed 210 and CCI 200 primers. At 1000 there is less than .1 mil difference in elevation. The Fed 210s might be a hair faster, but it's really too close to tell.

Here is the more later part. I recently picked up a Satorius scale that weighs in .02 increments. I had been loading with my ChargeMaster which only goes to .1. Well, I can tell you the CM's dispersion on the Satorius is about+/- .1gr. With the extruded powders on the Satorius you pick a target number +/- .02, lets say 42.52 because the individual grains of powder will weight anywhere from .02 - .05. So anything that's 42.50 - 42.54 gets loaded. After doing this and comparing the vertical dispersion at 1K for Chargemaster loads vs. Satorius loads it's half. With the CM loads the elevation is good enough to stay on a 10" plate at 1000 90% of the time, with the Satorius loads it's 100%. That explains the fliers with the 130s. (That and they are running about 40-50 fps faster than I thought, ~2980 fps)

Just food for thought.
 
Finally got around to doing a little bit of testing. I loaded 50 rounds of 42.52 H4350 with Fed 210 primers and 140 Hybrids and shot it in the match at Peacemaker Saturday. My initial shots at 1000+ plus were about ~.3mil low and about .2 mil low in the 800-900 yard range so I was wondering if they might be a little slower than the identical rounds loaded with CCI 200 primers. Although later I shot my 308 at the 860 target and it was .3 mil low too, so I wonder if the ranges giver for the targets were right. More on that later.

Sunday I shot the Short Course and Head Hunter at TVP with the 130 VLDs with 44.0 H4350 and CCI 200s. I shot really well scoring 102 out of 120 on the short course and 10 of 20 on the Head Hunter. However, I did have a few fliers and I was missing a lot of shots about .2 mil high. Afterwards, when I got back to the bench at 1000, I should have hit at 7.8 mil. Turned about to be 7.5mil. Even at 7.5 mil I would get the occasional .2 mil high shot. Hmmm.

Last I tested the 140 Hybrids again at 1K with Fed 210 and CCI 200 primers. At 1000 there is less than .1 mil difference in elevation. The Fed 210s might be a hair faster, but it's really too close to tell.

Here is the more later part. I recently picked up a Satorius scale that weighs in .02 increments. I had been loading with my ChargeMaster which only goes to .1. Well, I can tell you the CM's dispersion on the Satorius is about+/- .1gr. With the extruded powders on the Satorius you pick a target number +/- .02, lets say 42.52 because the individual grains of powder will weight anywhere from .02 - .05. So anything that's 42.50 - 42.54 gets loaded. After doing this and comparing the vertical dispersion at 1K for Chargemaster loads vs. Satorius loads it's half. With the CM loads the elevation is good enough to stay on a 10" plate at 1000 90% of the time, with the Satorius loads it's 100%. That explains the fliers with the 130s. (That and they are running about 40-50 fps faster than I thought, ~2980 fps)

Just food for thought.

Ski golf, how many rounds you got down the tube and have you noticed any change in accuracy or speed ? For those of you wondering .... We have the same rig
 
I'm about 500+ rounds down the tube. Need to update my round count book to be sure (108 rounds this weekend). Barrel seems to be speeding up a bit. At least that is what the dope says. I do have an FTE brake on the front of mine which may make a difference.

Was teamed with a guy Sunday shooting a 6.5-284 that he's running 140s at 2870 (pretty conservative for that cartridge). Since I was the wind test dummy, I was giving all the wind calls, when he believed me he hit, when he didn't he missed. Also, I had 4 fliers on the head hunter that would have been hits if the elevation would have been right on. Oh well - next time.
 
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Does anybody shoot the 129 gr. Interbond Superformance ammo from Hornady? I found some for sale and since I can't find the damn amax stuff anywhere, I thought i'd give it a try. Thanks.

Just started doing load dev on my new rifle, ran some of this last night to get it sighted in and shot a group with it. 3 Shot group was .388 with me behind the rifle. Seems to really like that load. So I'm going to try and copy it. Still working on 120 and 140 amax loads.
 
Finished up some load development last night. Strange thing was i was seeing some ejector swipes on some very low charges. Is this normal? Could it be the brass? For instance I had 3 rounds of 120 amax over 40.4 gr of RL17 and I received ejector swipe on these but not the higher loads of RL17 under the 120's until i hit the final charge weight of 43.8 gr. Seemed kind of odd.

I loaded all loads in .4 increments trying RL17 and H4350. OAL was 2.737 which puts it about .080 off the lands with the 140 amaxes.

I loaded the 120 amaxes with RL17 only so far and seated them at 2.710 (book oal)

I was pleasantly surprised at how well the factory 129 SST Superformance shot.

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Freshly annealed cases
42.5gr H4350
CCI or Federal Match Primers
Sierra 140gr Match Kings
Dies set up so COAL is equivalent to factory match dimensions

Holds 10-ring elevation at 600 yards on an F-class target through a 20+ round string of fire...wind calls are on me.



Back of target:

 
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I measured my once fired Hornady brass and it looks like the shoulders either didn't move or only moved a half thousandth compared to unfired Hornady brass from the same box. Anyone else see this, or is my measuring suspect? I'm using a comparator gage to measure the shoulder with an admittedly cheap-ass pair of calipers. I have real calipers arriving Wednesday and will double check it.
 
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