6.5 Creedmoor

[ctressler]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

The factory stuff is nothing to shake a stick at, it groups well in most rifles.

 

[Rob01]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

Factory 140 AMAX loads are excellent. It's all I shoot at matches and it's never let me down.
3 round at 100

5 rounds at 100

5 rounds at 300. Done in very cold weather. First 3 shots in center then last two to left after i couldn't feel my trigger finger

 

[glocksig40]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

Rob
Are your velocities consistent with multiple lot numbers?
I'm debating buying more loaded ammo I found on sale. I have 400 now but my first source is out right now. The current price with a birthday promo from Midway is $1.14 a round. Have you guys found it cheaper?

Thanks

 

[Rob01]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

There are slight lot to lot variances is velocity like most any ammo but they are all very accurate. Just try and get the same lot number.

Check Powder Valley. They usually have good prices. They list the 140s in stock and at $23.41 a box. Search around the net as well. Also if you plan on buying bulk call and see if they can do a better price.

 

[lead ƒarmer]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

tag

 

[triceratops3]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

I'm loading 42.6 grains of H4350 with a 140 grain amax loaded to 2.10".

The velocity out of my 28" Criterion barrel is probably around 2820fps (estimated using dope out to 1100 yards and JBM)


here is a 5 shot group at 100yards. 3 shots in the bottom hole and 2 in the top.

 

[George Mac]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

Big John,

Thanks for the recipe. It grouped well and the brass/primer look fine. I'll take it out to 1K in June and see what the velocities look like. I was going to hang up the 140 VLD's but that 43.8 worked out to be the sweet spot for accuracy and brass life.

 

[Killswitch Engage]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

george, did you see any ejector marks at all with that load? just curious as i have seen some on my creedmoor brass but no other pressure signs.

thanks

 

[George Mac]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

Not on this load. Anything closer to or over 44.0 and yes but at this point it is looking good.

 

[gau17]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George Mac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not on this load. Anything closer to or over 44.0 and yes but at this point it is looking good. </div></div>

How were the primer pockets?

 

[MDM]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

142 SMK over 41.6 H4350 jumping .015". Vel. 2795. 3 shots at 450yds. About .726" CTC

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I had a good load for the amax but it proved to be a little too hot for my liking in 90+ temps so I started tinkering with milder loads and found this one. Granted I can't do this all the time, but it seems the rifle is capable.

 

[ctressler]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

I just broke into a box of ammo I won at the Score Hight match and noticed that the base to ogive length of this lot of factory loaded Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor Match 140 ammo is not as long as previous lots. Before I was five thou into the lands and now it is just touching them. I measured to see if it was throat wear and it is not. The base to ogive in this lot is just that much shorter. As a result, this lot of ammo is shooting a little slower and my groups opened up a little.

Anybody else encounter this?

 

[gau17]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

CTressler - I found this the other day. I don't know if it's related.

http://www.65creedmoor.com/index.php?topic=625.0

 

[bohem]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

The loads that I shoot in my 6.5 are:

<span style="font-weight: bold">22.5" barrel</span>

41.5gr H4350
140 Amax @ 2.810" OAL length
2650fps @ est 51ksi (per QL)

41.5gr H4350
140 BTHP Match Hornady @ 2.770" OAL length
2650fps @ est 50.5ksi (per QL)

Both loads shoot absolutely lights out, even though they're slow with that shorter barrel.

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

I don't chase lands, I run loads that feed.
41.4-41.6gr H4350 usually gives sub moa consistently in mag length loads of the 139-142 class in everything.

I'm gonna try the Hornady 140BTHP's next, I've been an 140Amax guy for a while....

 

[bohem]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm gonna try the Hornady 140BTHP's next, I've been an 140Amax guy for a while....</div></div>

As a starting point with them, take your Amax load and the OAL of the Amax load, and drop about 0.035-0.040" off the loaded round length with no other changes.

 

[BigJohn141]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George Mac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Big John,

Thanks for the recipe. It grouped well and the brass/primer look fine. I'll take it out to 1K in June and see what the velocities look like. I was going to hang up the 140 VLD's but that 43.8 worked out to be the sweet spot for accuracy and brass life.

</div></div>

Glad its working out for you. I switched to hybrids and backed the powder down and I am getting great results. As for primer pockets with the 43.8 and BR2 primers, I had a few that were getting loose after 2-3 firings that hot but brass is cheap enough so I can just buy more. If you are worried about brass life then stick to the 42.5 range IMO. I bought a few of the 210 primers that I am going to try out once the weather starts cooling off again and work slows down.

 

[dmpowder]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

Just confirmed this load today as it will be my deer load for this season.

Factory Savage 11THXP

140gr Hornady SST
40grs. IMR 4831
CCI 200
2.185 off the Ogive

at 100
.522
-.264
-------
.258

 

[1MoreAR]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

Tag, got some 142 SMK on the way and of course a rifle.

 

[Furtaker_.223]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

TAG

 

[Tackman11]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

Tag

 

[my human host]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

I'm sitting on a ton of Varget and decided to try it with the 130 grain Berger target vld's for shits and grins. The results were a little suprising.

I was able to break 2900 fps out of my 8.5 twist 26 in Brux with the best accuracy around 2875. Primers looked good. I thought I felt the slightest bit of extra effort to extract with the load that ran 2925.

Has this happened to anyone else, or is my barrel a freak?

I'm hesitant to post charge weights because my stash of Varget seems to burn a bit slower than usual.

 

[para1505]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

there is a lot of help info in this topic. I just got mine finished and just started the barrel breakin procedure. My gunsmith recomended that I do he said I would be happier with it and it would pay off in the long run. Can,t wait to start the load development. For this breaken roundsI am using,
Hornady brass
CCI BR2 primers
142 HPBT SMK
32grn of H4350
I took a 2 Day vacation to start the barrel breaken. Hell even had a good time doing it, Oh yea I can do that off of my front porch

 

[Pointblanktx]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

I just pulled open two factory rds. I had because I was getting over 2820fps out of a 24" Bartlein and this is what I found in my lot of factory rds. Kind of surprising...

 

[OneShotJim]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

Which factory rounds were these? Hornady 140gn Amax? Thanks.

 

[Pusher591]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

WOW! That's alot of powder, they must have had an extremely slow burning lot. I have 2 new lot numbers so I'm gonna pull a couple from each lot and see what they say.

What lot number are are the pictures from?

 

[Pointblanktx]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**


Yes, they are Factory Hornady 140 Amax's.

Lot # was 3121614

 

[JSF]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

I have ben popping primers with factory 140 amax out of a Surgeon and GAP10. Needless to say the groups are not very good. Not sure what is going on with Hornady as they have always shot great for me.

 

[Pusher591]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have ben popping primers with factory 140 amax out of a Surgeon and GAP10. Needless to say the groups are not very good. Not sure what is going on with Hornady as they have always shot great for me. </div></div>

What lot number for you JSF? I know a few who have been popping primers with a particular lot number, just so happens that lot number shoots great in my rifle.

PM me and let me know. If the your lot number is the one that works for me I can swap it out from another lot I have.

 

[COTTON_00]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

Hope someone can help i have a gap built 6.5 creedmoor surgeon action bartlin barrel 1-8.5 twist i want to run the 140 berger hybrids fedral match primers going to be feeding from a mag does anyone have a similar set up and or load devopment they would like to share.

 

[Aimsmall55]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

Is anybody running the 140's with hybrid 100 v? It's not an extreme powder but it's a little slower than h4350 and gives more velocity. Or so the new Hornady manual says

 

[BigJohn141]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

Cotton, I am running hybrids and 42.5 of h4350 at .040 off with great results. This is out of a Surgeon Scalpel.

Aim, I actually have a pound of 100v but just haven't had time to load it up with hybrids to see what happens

 

[Aimsmall55]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COTTON_00</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hope someone can help i have a gap built 6.5 creedmoor surgeon action bartlin barrel 1-8.5 twist i want to run the 140 berger hybrids fedral match primers going to be feeding from a mag does anyone have a similar set up and or load devopment they would like to share.</div></div>

I have a Gap built Creedmor in a Crusader with a Templar action. 8.5 twist. I'm seeing 1/4 moa results with 42.4 h4350 and fgm 210 m with 140 amax and bergers. Loaded to 2.810". Velocity is 2750. (slow lot I guess )

 

[gafferq2xl]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

Question for you guys reloading;

1)What dies are you using?
2)What size bushing?

Thanks

 

[Stone842]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

Redding Type S Full-length Sizer die
Redding Competition Seater die
Redding Ti Nitride Bushing size 0.290, which will give you a ~.001 neck tension. This is sufficient for a bolt gun.

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

Should finally have some 140 BTHP's to try out later this week.

I also have some 130 Berger VLD Match coming, anyone shooting them in the Creedmoor? I know the 6.5x47 and 6.5SLR kids seem to be liking them.

 

[Aimsmall55]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

42.4 h4350
140 vld
Fgm210m@ 2.810"
2747 with chrony @ 10 ft
Gap Crusader 27" bartlein 8.5 twist

520 yards resulted in a group that was .75" 3 shots. (was hunting my green field/ range & all I had was 5 rounds). Come up was right at 10.6 moa. Great round !!

 

[Aimsmall55]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

130 vld with 44.0 h4350 at 2.140 to ogive
Fgm210m. New brass
Gap Crusader 8.5 twist 27" bartlein
62 degrees 93 humidity 400 asl

1) 2923
2) 2925
3) 2931
4) 2917
5) 2919

Chrony at 10' Shot bugholes.
Ran brass in tumbler and polished them up, no ejector marks, primers are ok, bolt opened w/ normal "feel".

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

^^^ cool!

I just tried 43.8, 44.1 and 44.4 H4350 under 130 VLDs today, three 5 shot groups at 100 each today. 43.8 and 44.4 shot .518 and .513 moa receptively. The 43.8 had the smallest group, but also the biggest (.29 and .73). Odd thing is the 44.1 was just under an inch on all three groups.
I think I'm just at the top of one node with the lower charge and at the bottom of another node with the 44.4 charge.

I'm gonna try the 44.4 again with a .020" deeper seat (I was at 2.169-2.170" ogive) as I dragged a couple tips on my 591's receiver.

Oh-
Surgeon 591
Crescent Custom cut 8.5 Bartlein 27" w/JEC brake

 

[Huckleberry75]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aimsmall55</div><div class="ubbcode-body">130 vld with 44.0 h4350 at 2.140 to ogive
Fgm210m. New brass
Gap Crusader 8.5 twist 27" bartlein
62 degrees 93 humidity 400 asl

1) 2923
2) 2925
3) 2931
4) 2917
5) 2919

Chrony at 10' Shot bugholes.
Ran brass in tumbler and polished them up, no ejector marks, primers are ok, bolt opened w/ normal "feel". </div></div>

Looking good Aimsmall. It seems that we think a lot alike. I just dropped off part with Mr Beanland for a 26" 8.5tw creedmore, with plans for the 130vld.

 

[Blanman]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^ cool!

I just tried 43.8, 44.1 and 44.4 H4350 under 130 VLDs today, three 5 shot groups at 100 each today. 43.8 and 44.4 shot .518 and .513 moa receptively. The 43.8 had the smallest group, but also the biggest (.29 and .73). Odd thing is the 44.1 was just under an inch on all three groups.
I think I'm just at the top of one node with the lower charge and at the bottom of another node with the 44.4 charge.

I'm gonna try the 44.4 again with a .020" deeper seat (I was at 2.169-2.170" ogive) as I dragged a couple tips on my 591's receiver.

Oh-
Surgeon 591
Crescent Custom cut 8.5 Bartlein 27" w/JEC brake</div></div>

Nice! You get any velocities for those loads? I'm interested in trying out some of the 130 gr class myself

 

[Aimsmall55]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Huckleberry75</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aimsmall55</div><div class="ubbcode-body">130 vld with 44.0 h4350 at 2.140 to ogive
Fgm210m. New brass
Gap Crusader 8.5 twist 27" bartlein
62 degrees 93 humidity 400 asl

1) 2923
2) 2925
3) 2931
4) 2917
5) 2919

Chrony at 10' Shot bugholes.
Ran brass in tumbler and polished them up, no ejector marks, primers are ok, bolt opened w/ normal "feel". </div></div>

Looking good Aimsmall. It seems that we think a lot alike. I just dropped off part with Mr Beanland for a 26" 8.5tw creedmore, with plans for the 130vld. </div></div>

You will not regret it!!! With the added velocity, the 130 will shoot almost as far as the 140. One thing is for sure.... A lot flatter shooting.

One quick question, I cleaned my bore and I shot a few amaxs to clean out the chemicals. Strange thing is shots 1&2 were dead on. Then 3,4&5 were all in one hole but 3/4 to 1" lower than the first two. You think it was just the cleaning ? It made me so worried that I took the scope rings off , lock tighted them and torqued to specs. Rings were Mark 4 steel. Was a bit confused....

 

[JCH]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

anyone shooting the 100gr Amax?

Thinking they will make good coyote rounds.

 

[para1505]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

seems most of the shooters in this topic are getting good accuracy with 41 grain or more with H4350. Mine is the other way. The only descent group I was able to get was I put 10 rounds in a 1/2" group @ 100yds with
H4350 39.4gn
Federal#210
140gn AMAX @ the lands
The barrel I am using is a Broughton 1:8 twist 5C
I also tried 142gn SMK HPBT but I hav tried any of them @ the lands yet. I was trying them at 10thousnd jump. The AMAX's did not like the jump eithe.

 

[Medic1736]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

42 of 4350 works for me but Im on a factory barrel. 140amax with 210m primers seems to hit whatever I aim at and very little need to worry about a cross wind

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoomerTG1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^ cool!

I just tried 43.8, 44.1 and 44.4 H4350 under 130 VLDs today, three 5 shot groups at 100 each today. 43.8 and 44.4 shot .518 and .513 moa receptively. The 43.8 had the smallest group, but also the biggest (.29 and .73). Odd thing is the 44.1 was just under an inch on all three groups.
I think I'm just at the top of one node with the lower charge and at the bottom of another node with the 44.4 charge.

I'm gonna try the 44.4 again with a .020" deeper seat (I was at 2.169-2.170" ogive) as I dragged a couple tips on my 591's receiver.

Oh-
Surgeon 591
Crescent Custom cut 8.5 Bartlein 27" w/JEC brake</div></div>

Nice! You get any velocities for those loads? I'm interested in trying out some of the 130 gr class myself </div></div>

No, didn't have a chrono. Same load through blklabs rifle is 2960ish, so I'm sure I'm somewhat close to those numbers.
Once I play with seating depths (gonna try the 44.4 a little shorter-good load does me no good if it hangs up in a practical match on me) and a little more tweaking and assure they shoot well at distance I'll chrono.
I don't chase chrono numbers, I tend to "believe" the bullet-if a load shoots well at distance I don't worry about SD and all that. I've gone nuts before with a load that shot lights out and the chrono told me it couldn't be. From a chrono I just need a speed that matches reality for ballistics programs...

 

[Blanman]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

^Yup, I'm the same with chronographs, I just use them as a starting reference point. Haven't even used a chrono for my new barrel, no need. Like you said, real world trumps any chronograph.

 

[Huckleberry75]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aimsmall55</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Huckleberry75</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aimsmall55</div><div class="ubbcode-body">130 vld with 44.0 h4350 at 2.140 to ogive
Fgm210m. New brass
Gap Crusader 8.5 twist 27" bartlein
62 degrees 93 humidity 400 asl

1) 2923
2) 2925
3) 2931
4) 2917
5) 2919

Chrony at 10' Shot bugholes.
Ran brass in tumbler and polished them up, no ejector marks, primers are ok, bolt opened w/ normal "feel". </div></div>

Looking good Aimsmall. It seems that we think a lot alike. I just dropped off part with Mr Beanland for a 26" 8.5tw creedmore, with plans for the 130vld. </div></div>

You will not regret it!!! With the added velocity, the 130 will shoot almost as far as the 140. One thing is for sure.... A lot flatter shooting.

One quick question, I cleaned my bore and I shot a few amaxs to clean out the chemicals. Strange thing is shots 1&2 were dead on. Then 3,4&5 were all in one hole but 3/4 to 1" lower than the first two. You think it was just the cleaning ? It made me so worried that I took the scope rings off , lock tighted them and torqued to specs. Rings were Mark 4 steel. Was a bit confused.... </div></div>

Probably just swabbing out the bbl on #1&2. I bet if you ran another group of 5 through, everything would settle back into place. That's a prime example of why i never hunt with a clean bore.

 

[JCH]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

18" Bartlein 8.5 twist with SAS Arbiter Suppressor
44.5gr H4350
130gr Berger Hunting VLD
CCI 200 primers
2810fps

nice little group

 

[Pointblanktx]

Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

Has anyone tried any loads using H414 or Hybrid 100V?