6.5x47 Lapua

[diggler1833]

150 rounds down the new rebarrel from Fosnaugh Custom Rifles. A Bartlein Barrel mod400 at 25 inches and 1.20" straight no taper.

My Hornady 135 grain A-tips arrived today so I loaded up some with Varget, set the jump to .055" in brand new Peterson brass and lit them off with CCI 450's. Four groups of 5 averaged .303 moa thanks for a sweet shooting rig Eddie!

http://www.fosnaughcustoms.com

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Thats a pretty consistent load there...

 

[LA260]

28" Bartlein 5R 350 rounds on it
123 Scenars 38.0Varget 0.025"" off the lands 2980FPS with Virgin Lapua Brass and 3002FPS 1x fired. Will probably go down to 37.7-37.8 to keep it under 3000.
130 Berger OTM 37.8 Varget 0.025"" off the lands 2922 FPS.

 

[RTTY]

Hello!
I've found a good price for some Hornady HPBT Match 140gn.
My 28"x1.10" barrel have 1:8 twist rate.
Can someone tel me if this ball can work well on the rifle?

Thanks!

 

[powdahound76]

The 140 Hornady works well in a 1/8 twist

They are not the most consistent bullet though.
Example, even with very good loading practices, you might get a flyer at distance you just cant explain. Have seen it more than once with these.


Can you get ahold of Lapua Scenar target bullets?
Their 123, 136, and 139 are more consistent and have shot very well for a lot of folks over the years.

 

[RTTY]

@powdahound76
Thanks for the advice about the consistency of the Hornady 26335...

I use the 139gn Scenar, thei are my standard bullet.

But I would to test some other bullets...

What are the maximum weight for this twist rate?

I found also some Berger 144gn Longo Range Hybrid Target..

And 130gn AR Hybrid OTM

And Hornady A-MAX 140gn

Tnx!

 

[Niles Coyote]

It's a combination of both weight and length that dictate stability in a particular twist rate. But a simple rule of thumb would be most bullets upto the 147gr Hornady ELD should work fine in most situations.

Berger has a good calculator that may be of assistance with their bullets found here.
https://bergerbullets.com/twist-rate-calculator/

 

[powdahound76]

check the Berger site on the 144s.
Havent used them, so not sure.
Should work in 1/8 I would think?

For sure the others will.

The AMAX is an older hornady bullet and discontinued. Replaced with the ELDM line.
Works great and had better QC back when they were made.
If you can get a decent amount of them, likely they will shoot well for you.
Very good at killing deer size critters.

the Berger 130 OTM is great in a 1/8 and a bullet I really like!
It is also good for hunting, have only used on deer, but with great success

 

[RTTY]

It's a combination of both weight and length that dictate stability in a particular twist rate. But a simple rule of thumb would be most bullets upto the 147gr Hornady ELD should work fine in most situations.

Berger has a good calculator that may be of assistance with their bullets found here.
https://bergerbullets.com/twist-rate-calculator/

Stability for 144gn LR Hybrid are 1.79 are good stability.

Whe ave other calculator that have a database with more brand and type of bullets?

Thanks

 

[RTTY]

check the Berger site on the 144s.
Havent used them, so not sure.
Should work in 1/8 I would think?

For sure the others will.

The AMAX is an older hornady bullet and discontinued. Replaced with the ELDM line.
Works great and had better QC back when they were made.
If you can get a decent amount of them, likely they will shoot well for you.
Very good at killing deer size critters.

the Berger 130 OTM is great in a 1/8 and a bullet I really like!
It is also good for hunting, have only used on deer, but with great success

Ok for the advice on the various bullets.

I'm sorry, but I can't share hunting episodes with you, I don't go hunting but only at the range, not for an ethical or environmentalist reason but because I currently don't have time, my outings to the shooting range are much more than frenetic, I dare say almost say "tactics"... in less than 3 hours I can take out 100 rounds of ammunition....

I can load with VV N140 and N150 Reload Swiss RS50 and Baschieri BP107 powders

 

[Geno C.]

144s do fine in an 8 twist. A bit heavy for this case in my opinion though. That 130gr range is about perfect for most uses

 

[Flyperk]

I have used the 140gr Hornady in an 1:8.5 TW 24” 6.5x47 and they have a great track record.
My go to is the Lapua 139 OTM / Scenar.
Depending on your intended use and loading practice, you should have pretty good results. The factory loads are like laser but for the cost I’ve tried to duplicate them using N550 and both the 139 and 140 gr bullet. I have a lot of both of those bullets. So load them and have fun!!

 

[Dogtown]

N150 and N550 are good powders for shooting >136gr bullets in this cartridge.

 

[Ncwg2boatguy]

@powdahound76
Thanks for the advice about the consistency of the Hornady 26335...

I use the 139gn Scenar, thei are my standard bullet.

But I would to test some other bullets...

What are the maximum weight for this twist rate?

I found also some Berger 144gn Longo Range Hybrid Target..

And 130gn AR Hybrid OTM

And Hornady A-MAX 140gn

Tnx!

130gr AR hybrid work extremly well .

 

[Emerson0311]

I have used some 153.5gr Bergers in an 8T 6.5. No issues at 2520fps and temp of 5 C.

 

[RTTY]

144s do fine in an 8 twist. A bit heavy for this case in my opinion though. That 130gr range is about perfect for most uses

Hi, the people I know who have used or use this caliber mostly use the 139gn Scenar, some have gone as far as the 140gn vld (26414) from Berger.

I have a couple of hundred of 26414 but I haven't used them yet...

The range where I go to shoot is affected, on most days, by windy streams coming from every direction, the field is close to a wind farm, so being able to use light bullets, such as 120gn or 123gn is a rare event...

This is why almost everyone uses heavy bullets, even for other calibers...

 

[RTTY]

I have used the 140gr Hornady in an 1:8.5 TW 24” 6.5x47 and they have a great track record.
My go to is the Lapua 139 OTM / Scenar.
Depending on your intended use and loading practice, you should have pretty good results. The factory loads are like laser but for the cost I’ve tried to duplicate them using N550 and both the 139 and 140 gr bullet. I have a lot of both of those bullets. So load them and have fun!!

Well! I also use the 139gn Scenar almost exclusively, but I also still have the 120gn PPU hpbt match which are not bad at all, they are short bullets but are similar to the Scenar...
I used the factory ammo with the Scenar 136gn L and confirm that they are like lasers...

 

[Geno C.]

Hi, the people I know who have used or use this caliber mostly use the 139gn Scenar, some have gone as far as the 140gn vld (26414) from Berger.

I have a couple of hundred of 26414 but I haven't used them yet...

The range where I go to shoot is affected, on most days, by windy streams coming from every direction, the field is close to a wind farm, so being able to use light bullets, such as 120gn or 123gn is a rare event...

This is why almost everyone uses heavy bullets, even for other calibers...

The 120-123 is a not nearly as good as Berger 130s

 

[Dogtown]

Except in my shorty barrels. I have a 16.5" and a 20" that love the 120 Scenar-L

 

[diggler1833]

I've got two 6.5x47s. One is a laser with the 123gr Scenar, the other shoots the 120 Scenar-L fantastically well.

Both shoot 130gr bullets well too.

 

[Mauser48]

6.5x47 lapua is my next barrel. Do you guys prefer varget or h4350 for most loads? I use varget in other cartridges so I'd like to use it. Was looking at shooting the 123 scenar and 140 hybrid. Might just shoot the 130 berger at all distances.

 

[padom]

6.5x47 lapua is my next barrel. Do you guys prefer varget or h4350 for most loads? I use varget in other cartridges so I'd like to use it. Was looking at shooting the 123 scenar and 140 hybrid. Might just shoot the 130 berger at all distances.

Varget but both shoot great

 

[diggler1833]

6.5x47 lapua is my next barrel. Do you guys prefer varget or h4350 for most loads? I use varget in other cartridges so I'd like to use it. Was looking at shooting the 123 scenar and 140 hybrid. Might just shoot the 130 berger at all distances.

I have both Varget and H4350 loads for the same barrel. Varget with 123gr bullets and H4350 with 130gr ones.

 

[Geno C.]

Varget has been great. 4350 works too though

 

[30338]

Used varget with 135 bergers with great success in 3 different 6.5x47. My fav was IMR4451 with 140s but discontinued.

 

[diggler1833]

I'm pretty sure everything from IMR-4064 to H4350 can be made to run well in the 6.5x47. That is one of the beauties of the cartridge.

 

[RTTY]

Hello someome use the cci400 on this caliber instead of magnum primers?

 

[RTTY]

Ok I think the answer are yes...

I would make some rounds with Berger 140gn vld (code 26414), I have N140, N150, and RS50.

Please can someone tell me and advice for the starting point for load and measures of cartdridge?

Thanks

 

[RTTY]

Hello!
I maked some test with Gordon Reloading Tool for find one node for N150 and Scenar 139gn, barrel length 710mm, twist rate 1:8, OAL 70,4mm.

At 10ºC the node came out with 34,9gn and 805m/s.

The Velocity are ok for paper at 600m or are too low?

The successive node came out at 36,66gn and 838m/s but the GRT allerta meteo that the pressure are too higth,(4078bar/59147psi).

Can some one help me for find a calibrate load that give me an adeguate stability and usability for paper at 600m?

Thanks

 

[diggler1833]

Hello!
I maked some test with Gordon Reloading Tool for find one node for N150 and Scenar 139gn, barrel length 710mm, twist rate 1:8, OAL 70,4mm.

At 10ºC the node came out with 34,9gn and 805m/s.

The Velocity are ok for paper at 600m or are too low?

The successive node came out at 36,66gn and 838m/s but the GRT allerta meteo that the pressure are too higth,(4078bar/59147psi).

Can some one help me for find a calibrate load that give me an adeguate stability and usability for paper at 600m?

Thanks

Without putting my math hat on (I'm on vacation at the moment), I'll say that 59,147 PSI is NOT too high at all for the 6.5x47L. Stick with that if it works, but double check for pressure when it warms up.

 

[padom]

Hello!
I maked some test with Gordon Reloading Tool for find one node for N150 and Scenar 139gn, barrel length 710mm, twist rate 1:8, OAL 70,4mm.

At 10ºC the node came out with 34,9gn and 805m/s.

The Velocity are ok for paper at 600m or are too low?

The successive node came out at 36,66gn and 838m/s but the GRT allerta meteo that the pressure are too higth,(4078bar/59147psi).

Can some one help me for find a calibrate load that give me an adeguate stability and usability for paper at 600m?

Thanks

Your using a tool to find a safe starting point. You need to now do actual testing with your components on your rifle from here to find out where the ACTUAL node is...

Nobody can tell you this exact charge is right where you will be. The point of collecting data from others and tools like Gordons or Quickload is to find a safe starting point. From there, you gotta put the work in and test for yourself in your rifle...

Good Luck and report back what you find after you test

 

[RTTY]

Without putting my math hat on (I'm on vacation at the moment), I'll say that 59,147 PSI is NOT too high at all for the 6.5x47L. Stick with that if it works, but double check for pressure when it warms up.

Hello @diggler1833 , thanks for the fast reply!
I hope your vacation are on the tropical place...

For this pressure I can use only new brass or I can charge also brass with 9 or 10 firing at 35gn with 69,5mm of OAL?
For warm up the load come down of about half grain...

 

[RTTY]

Your using a tool to find a safe starting point. You need to now do actual testing with your components on your rifle from here to find out where the ACTUAL node is...

Nobody can tell you this exact charge is right where you will be. The point of collecting data from others and tools like Gordons or Quickload is to find a safe starting point. From there, you gotta put the work in and test for yourself in your rifle...

Good Luck and report back what you find after you test

Yes @padom you are right!
I shoot from about less than 2 year, and reloading are pretty much simple, but understan why the reloading work are job for scientist...
So please you and some other can help me to escape from the starting point?
Can explain how I can make my test?
I've also the Garmin Xero C1.

 

[diggler1833]

Hello @diggler1833 , thanks for the fast reply!
I hope your vacation are on the tropical place...

For this pressure I can use only new brass or I can charge also brass with 9 or 10 firing at 35gn with 69,5mm of OAL?
For warm up the load come down of about half grain...

I cant stress enough to do your own load development, and trust more what your brass says than an online tool. Look for obvious pressure signs. If they exist, then don't use that higher load at all.

Assuming that you are using Lapua brass, I'd bet that you can get many loadings on it, even if you are around 59K. Used brass is fine, just check it every cycle. If the primers go in or come out with no resistance..it's time to scrap that piece of brass. I'm also assuming a quality chamber in the barrel and annealing (case head separation and neck splitting).

Guys have been hot rodding (loading up to very high pressures) the 6.5x47 for a long time. Much of that has to do with the brass quality.

That being said, I personally stick with the lower node. I am the minority here however. Out to just 600 yards you aren't giving much up if you run it 30 m/s slower...that's only about 19cm difference in drop, and less than 4cm difference in wind with the 139gr Scenar.

Speed will matter more as you go out further.

I run 123gr bullets at about 860m/s, and 130s about 830m/s.

You'll have to forgive me if I don't try to use the metric system anymore this week.

 

[RTTY]

I cant stress enough to do your own load development, and trust more what your brass says than an online tool. Look for obvious pressure signs. If they exist, then don't use that higher load at all.

Assuming that you are using Lapua brass, I'd bet that you can get many loadings on it, even if you are around 59K. Used brass is fine, just check it every cycle. If the primers go in or come out with no resistance..it's time to scrap that piece of brass. I'm also assuming a quality chamber in the barrel and annealing (case head separation and neck splitting).

Guys have been hot rodding (loading up to very high pressures) the 6.5x47 for a long time. Much of that has to do with the brass quality.

That being said, I personally stick with the lower node. I am the minority here however. Out to just 600 yards you aren't giving much up if you run it 30 m/s slower...that's only about 19cm difference in drop, and less than 4cm difference in wind with the 139gr Scenar.

Speed will matter more as you go out further.

I run 123gr bullets at about 860m/s, and 130s about 830m/s.

You'll have to forgive me if I don't try to use the metric system anymore this week.

Good morning @diggler1883,
yes you are right, I would read pressure signs from my brass (yess also, I use only Lapua brass, (on Italy start to find some other brand from USA but the price are much higher than the EU brand, export, import, duties,..) and I can't trust only on the reloading simulation.

I tumble my brass wet with steel media, so I can check also the inner for sign thet indicate head case separation.
Also I anneal after single firing with induction machine made by my self.
My rifle chamber are a bit tiny respect CIP specifications.

I use at 99% of the time 139gn Scenar because on the range have too wind (the range are on big area with Eolic turbines), some time use 120gn, but on very rare accasions.

And you and other members forgive me if I don't maked attention to convert my metric datas on imperial standard, sorry!

Thanks again!

 

[5RWill]

Anyone tried Staball match yet with 6.5x47? About to transition to loading on my Dillon and wanted to see if anyone had any good results. I have a 8lb jug of it. Was going to try it for 308 and 6.5x47 since the burn rate is so similar to varget.

 

[Guns&WhiteWater]

Interested in this also. Was thinking of picking up a jug to save reloading time.