Range Report 60 gr v-max consistantly to right at 200 yrds help

[coyotesniper]

I have a Rem sps tactical 223 threaded with aac A2 style FH w/ nxs 3.5-15x50mm scope

using Lee 223 dies

win brass, 27gr varget, fed 205 primer, hornady 60gr v-max

This will shoot .5 inch or less at 100 yrd

NO wind

when I move back to 200 yrd with out moving the scope dials the bullets will be 2.75 inch low and always 1 1/2 to the right, and about 3/8 apart. shouldn't they be low at 6 oclock straight down

the Lee seater die leaves a ring on the bullet, almost feels like a slight crush mark but hard to tell, woulfd the mark cause this

at 100 yrd it is dead on

THANKS in advance

 

[user]

Mark never did that for me. If you polish the seater cup and don't size the neck so tight the mark will go away.

I litterly mark up the front of the bullet with pliers and they still shot great. Try them at 250-300 and see what happens. Is that a 10 twist? Parralax free image with edge to edge clarity in scope?

 

[coyotesniper]

Mark never did that for me. If you polish the seater cup and don't size the neck so tight the mark will go away.

I litterly mark up the front of the bullet with pliers and they still shot great. Try them at 250-300 and see what happens. Is that a 10 twist? Parralax free image with edge to edge clarity in scope?

Yes the scope is clear edge to edge
It is a 1/9 twist
I will try it out farther, but I will have to wait until the rain here in Iowa stops and the fields dry up a litttle to gain access

 

[Huckleberry75]

Make sure that your shooting mechanics are sound as well. Gun level, even trigger squeeze straight back etc. Sometimes we forget the basics when looking at the miniscule.

Not pointing fingures or saying anyone othere than myself is guilty of such a malady.

BTW, I just loaded a flight of this exact combo for my SPS tactical, i mean exact. brass, primer, powder charges in 0.2gn intervals from 26.0 to 27.0gns, neck sized with lee collet dies on 1x fireformed brass. As soon as the wind quits and the weather behaves I am out to test them. I know that 26.2gns gives me 3015fps and 26.8 was at 3105fps. Time to fine tune.

 

[Jethro80]

I too loaded some 60 gr vmax last night for my larue stealth 18" barrel 1:8 twist. The hornady manual is showing lower powder charges than what you guys are using. I have not shot the loads yet but I loaded the following per the manual.

22.7 Varget
23.8 Varget
24.9 Varget

All loads are 1X fired Hornady brass FL sized and loaded 2.25 COAL

Now that I've typed all of this I realize you guys are using a different powder. I'm sure that would explain the higher charge size!

Sorry about the rant, I hope I can develop a great load with this bullet as I'm sure it will be great hog and coyote medicine!!

 

[Jethro80]

Okay read the original post again and saw you are indeed using Varget. Did you use published data for those loads? It see,s like a 27 gr charge would be a little much. I'm a new reloaded so of course I could be wrong.

 

[former naval person]

Check the scope/rifle levels. You could have a canting problem.

 

[JSTARSZ]

When you zero at a 100 are you dead center in the bulls-eye? I normally zero at a 100 and then test that at 200 and 300 to see if I am off some. If you are right at a 100 then you are going to be more right at 200 and even more at 300. 100 yards just shows you the POI as the bullet will keep flying at that trajectory so if it is sliding right at 100 it keeps on that path as keeps going further at further right as it flies. I shoot the 60 VMAX a lot in my AR's and I find it to be a decent round and relatively accurate but definitely not the most accurate bullet. If you are checking for accuracy I think I would use a Sierra 69 with the 1-9 twist barrel to test.

I think you need to look at your charges - do you have a chronograph to check speed? 27 grains of Varget is a lot in that little casing. I load quite extensively for the 223 in AR's and Bolt guns and I am at 25 grains with AA 2460 and that is a good middle of the road load - it brings me to 1.5 MOA at 200 and 4.5 at 300 yards for its drops. 27 grains has got to fill that case up - do you hear crunching when you seat the bullet? Also, the marks on your bullet will not cause what you are seeing.

A couple of other questions - what is you COAL and Ogive numbers?

 

[SPEAK338]

Shoot when the wind blows the other direction

 

[Bloody_Tailgate]

I'm with JSTARSZ, if you're just 1/2" right at 100 that will/should put you 1" right at 200. If you're shooting 1/2" groups at 100, that will/should be 1" groups at 200. Now you average those out and you could easily be 1.5-2" right at 200. As said before make sure your mechanics are correct and dial your zero at 200. Then move back up to 100 and see where your POI is. I'd have to guess, if you're shooting consistently your groups will be centered on your POA.