That is all on Gov Newsom, and to some extent, when he was in office, Gov. Schwarzenegger. Not building dams and reservoirs because of worrying about some damned bird.Firefighters from Mexico will help fight Eaton blaze, Newsom says
Gov. Newsom said firefighters were en route from Mexico to help fight the Eaton Fire.www.foxla.com
Most populous state and worlds 5th largest economy and they need Mexican firefighters to put out fires - how they are going to do it without water I have no idea but obviously NO ONE in CA has any fucking idea how to do it .
A bunch of fucking retards, and since you can't fix retardation it will continue.
Throw sand at it? Those fuckers can dig.Firefighters from Mexico will help fight Eaton blaze, Newsom says
Gov. Newsom said firefighters were en route from Mexico to help fight the Eaton Fire.
Most populous state and worlds 5th largest economy and they need Mexican firefighters to put out fires - how they are going to do it without water I have no idea but obviously NO ONE in CA has any fucking idea how to do it .
They use Mexican and Canadian forestry guys all the time…it’s man power not expertise. Next you’ll discover some of the water bombers we use are Canadian.Firefighters from Mexico will help fight Eaton blaze, Newsom says
Gov. Newsom said firefighters were en route from Mexico to help fight the Eaton Fire.
Most populous state and worlds 5th largest economy and they need Mexican firefighters to put out fires - how they are going to do it without water I have no idea but obviously NO ONE in CA has any fucking idea how to do it .
Well after reviewing all the information I could , it appears you are correct , relying on Mexican and Canadian forest services and fire fighters and gear has worked out fine just fine for CA. They should absolutely continue just as they have don’t change a thing .
Multiple states use man power from wherever they can get it. You just don’t know shit about fuck.
Fuckers tried to get me to move to Norcal back in the day, fuck that I hate raking lol
@OREGUN is definitely right. For those of you East of here, think tornado level winds blowing in a straight line. This doesn’t even take into account the self generated winds from the fire. We are seeing the effects of 100 years of Smokey the Bear (fire bad) and decades of poor municipal management combined with the 60’s environmental movement. Fuel loads are ridiculous, forests are unhealthy and the infrastructure is decaying rapidly. Too much focus on feel good vs. basic needs. Hell they are using an un-findable fish as cover to hide the failing sewage treatment systems.
Know nothing arm chair quarterback Op would probably get surrounded and burnt to a crisp if he got out there.
He’s full on retarded if it’s true
Well, since Diesel engines are bad and we need to go full electric.
None of this has anything to do with Mexicans helping, or people not knowing how to fight it.
There was literally just a local news report on the number of Oregon personnel and equipment sent south and a description of the safety checks they are given which do not include any smog/emissions testing whatsoever.
It only caught my attention because it was directly addressing the rumor that equipment was being refused for air quality concerns. It basically said they are inspecting to make sure the equipment survived the transit from wherever and then being dispatched in a coordinated way, in an effort to maintain some kind of operational control.
@OREGUN and @akmike47 that is my bad, the info that I saw was leaning towards the CARB side of things. I should have vetted it first. Still, during my careers, I haven’t seen safety checks on the way TO an incident, only on Demobilization.
Now that sounds like a qualified and experienced opinion. And I agree. The fire management philosophy of years past doesn’t seem to hold up in the modern world and is desperately in need of updating. It will require all of the things you mention. Leadership, a re-interpretation of fuel reduction/management, building code updates, a campaign, much like Smokey the Bear and Woodsy Owl, to re-shape the public understanding of the wildland-urban interface, a re-consideration of priorities and home-owner risk tolerance, etc. I’m not sure about the water distribution piece. As I’m sure you well know, water doesn’t really put out wildfires unless it falls from the sky…in which case it’s usually temperatures and humidity levels which really put it out. And hydrants in communities can’t really flow the water needed to directly attack a blocks-wide fire driven by even 40 mph winds. It’s a mess. Oregon in 2020, Colorado in 2022, California, repeatedly. Old assumptions about fire behavior, risk, and prevention are just flat wrong and no one anywhere has any idea how to stop fires like those. But to suggest that the solution is to have more available surface water, a legion of “qualified firefighters” who are all (most importantly not dykes!) straight white men, or brush clearing mandates is just not accurate.
10 years between USFS and CDF and another 5 in a Rural Vol. FD. No two fires have been the same, be it Wilderness Area, Wildland, Urban interface, or structure. California, Idaho, Nevada, Montana, and Oregon; Desert, Alpine, Timber, and variations/blends of terrain. Engine Crew and Hand Crew. I wouldn’t trade the experiences and places I’ve seen, but my body sure tells me about it.
200 foot flame front that is wind and terrain driven will make you a believer in a higher power.
Back to the topic at hand. Fuels Reduction, proper water delivery systems in place and MAINTAINED, building codes that address LOCAL conditions, and REAL leadership are all key. How many of these were checked off?
In my AO, Tribal Members and long term Families talked about lighting fires in the LATE Autum to clear out under story fuels and promote grasses and forbes growth for game and livestock graze. It also helped keep fuel loads down. This also didn’t account for the natural (lightning) fires that helped keep fuel loads down. Now we put every smoke out and do nothing about decadent and dead vegetation, then wonder why fires are so catastrophic.
We now have ”leadership” that wants to “save” the planet and has NO clue about the natural cycles, self interest (except their own), and how to get different groups to WORK TOGETHER! They have been goose stepping us into this for many years.
“water doesn’t really put out wildfires unless it falls from the sky…in which case it’s usually temperatures and humidity levels which really put it out.”
My neighborhood is required, as a condition of our well permits, to maintain several large ponds as a remedy for the downstream water rights holders. A nice side effect is that if it ever comes time to dip a bucket, the helicopters wont have to go far. I’m not arguing for the draining of those ponds.
If my house was not where it is, I’d have a swimming pool and a large water tank/cistern for that reason alone!My neighborhood is required, as a condition of our well permits, to maintain several large ponds as a remedy for the downstream water rights holders. A nice side effect is that if it ever comes time to dip a bucket, the helicopters wont have to go far. I’m not arguing for the draining of those ponds.
Obviously the sense of urgency and common sense is overriding all of newsome's bullshit.
Ripe for conquest. If I were a world class asshole instead of a regular one, it's what I'd do.
I'll go so far as to say that these fires are the poster children examples that they should be learning from.
Check some recent news articles in Cali where they are tearing down dams. Actually dams being removed in Pacific Northwest too I believe. Dams and reservoirs are/have interfered with fish breeding and migration. Environmentalist on the left have pushed for the removal of dams for a long time. Cali gonna keep burning .
Exactly my point
10 years between USFS and CDF and another 5 in a Rural Vol. FD. No two fires have been the same, be it Wilderness Area, Wildland, Urban interface, or structure. California, Idaho, Nevada, Montana, and Oregon; Desert, Alpine, Timber, and variations/blends of terrain. Engine Crew and Hand Crew. I wouldn’t trade the experiences and places I’ve seen, but my body sure tells me about it.
200 foot flame front that is wind and terrain driven will make you a believer in a higher power.
Back to the topic at hand. Fuels Reduction, proper water delivery systems in place and MAINTAINED, building codes that address LOCAL conditions, and REAL leadership are all key. How many of these were checked off?
In my AO, Tribal Members and long term Families talked about lighting fires in the LATE Autum to clear out under story fuels and promote grasses and forbes growth for game and livestock graze. It also helped keep fuel loads down. This also didn’t account for the natural (lightning) fires that helped keep fuel loads down. Now we put every smoke out and do nothing about decadent and dead vegetation, then wonder why fires are so catastrophic.
We now have ”leadership” that wants to “save” the planet and has NO clue about the natural cycles, self interest (except their own), and how to get different groups to WORK TOGETHER! They have been goose stepping us into this for many years.
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I admittedly know nothing of firefighting except it’s dangerous as hell - especially these wildfires. A few of those videos posted here demonstrates how quickly it can hit the fan. With that said, you answered a question I had. I’ve been wondering to myself…if they really want to put those fires out they need a LOT more planes dumping water because a fire hose just cannot put out that quantity of water and as you said lower the temp and raise the humidity in the dump location. I can see firehoses and trenches as prevention and a slowing down/containment technique if one is content with letting it burn out. Where houses/businesses are en masse, that’s not really an option - I guess for normal folks, not Pretty Boy with aviators and his moot mayor.
Out of curiosity has Mother Nature started her reclamation?
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