Most populous state and worlds 5th largest economy and they need Mexican firefighters to put out fires - how they are going to do it without water I have no idea but obviously NO ONE in CA has any fucking idea how to do it .
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Most populous state and worlds 5th largest economy and they need Mexican firefighters to put out fires - how they are going to do it without water I have no idea but obviously NO ONE in CA has any fucking idea how to do it .
That is all on Gov Newsom, and to some extent, when he was in office, Gov. Schwarzenegger. Not building dams and reservoirs because of worrying about some damned bird.
The people of LA and Cali can fix this but they have to want to fix it.
A bunch of fucking retards, and since you can't fix retardation it will continue.
Throw sand at it? Those fuckers can dig.
They use Mexican and Canadian forestry guys all the time…it’s man power not expertise. Next you’ll discover some of the water bombers we use are Canadian.
Well after reviewing all the information I could , it appears you are correct , relying on Mexican and Canadian forest services and fire fighters and gear has worked out fine just fine for CA. They should absolutely continue just as they have don’t change a thing .
Los Angelans got exactly what they voted for: hundreds of thousands of drug and alcohol addicted, arson inclined anarchists, along with millions of illegal aliens, gang bangers, cartel members, and left wing radicals- all demanding a nanny state.
I really feel for the Americans (a.k.a. conservatives and conserva-tarians) who live there and have to deal with the madness.
I really feel for the Americans (a.k.a. conservatives and conserva-tarians) who live there and have to deal with the madness.
meh......break out the hot dogs and marshmallows.
I wonder if this could be a coordinated terrorist attack perpetrated by middle-eastern actors who crossed the open southern border.
Multiple states use man power from wherever they can get it. You just don’t know shit about fuck.
Side note: fuck cali and a good chunk of the other states, but you’re still retarded.
Fuckers tried to get me to move to Norcal back in the day, fuck that I hate raking lol
I’ve never lived or fought fire in California but I’ve been on enough fires to know that a)there ain’t shit that can be done when the wind is howling and b) when homes are being eaten, you’d take any help you can get. Felons, foreigners, whatever.
@OREGUN is definitely right. For those of you East of here, think tornado level winds blowing in a straight line. This doesn’t even take into account the self generated winds from the fire. We are seeing the effects of 100 years of Smokey the Bear (fire bad) and decades of poor municipal management combined with the 60’s environmental movement. Fuel loads are ridiculous, forests are unhealthy and the infrastructure is decaying rapidly. Too much focus on feel good vs. basic needs. Hell they are using an un-findable fish as cover to hide the failing sewage treatment systems.
Know nothing arm chair quarterback Op would probably get surrounded and burnt to a crisp if he got out there.
I don’t think a lot of folks realize or have seen how crazy fire is other than videos. Imagine a whole section of forest getting heated and off gassing, then it all pretty much burst into flames instantly. It’s not all fire slowly creeping across underbrush and tree tops. They also can make their own weather systems(wind, lightning, thunderstorms). Not to mention billions of hot embers blowing in storm force winds making smoldering hot spots that have to be put out by hand requiring all the man power you can find.
This isn’t even a big fire
Start at 4:57
Hearing people burn to death on the radio or in videos is a shitty time too.
This isn’t even a big fire
Start at 4:57
Hearing people burn to death on the radio or in videos is a shitty time too.
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This was erroneous, Davis was the drive beak from their point of origin. Still don’t understand needing a Safety Inspection on the way TO an incident.
Newscum holding out of state fire equipment at Sacadementia to make sure they met CA CARB (air quality/smog) requirements. There should be a loop hole for equipment in an emergency, although they don’t seem to be doing that to the equipment coming in from Mexico.
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He’s full on retarded if it’s true
Well, since Diesel engines are bad and we need to go full electric.
BTW, I still haven’t seen a charging station anywhere on CA-3 or CA-139 (State Routes in un-populated areas).
hats off to the fire fighters- it’s hard dangerous work and a total shit storm of terror . Never had a problem with em .
I have 0 experience fright if a fire in a major metro area - I’d like to think the first thing is have water - infrastructure that can handle water .
Next qualified firefighters.
Then clear the tinder dead brush.
Control burns and fire breaks
They have or have done none of those things .
No water tanks filled with DEI fat dykes and dummies . So like other places where DEI and anti white racism has taken over most or all worth a fuck left - got fired or were never hired .
So I’ll stand by the statement- no one there seems to have any fucking idea how to stop or prevent the next one .
I have 0 experience fright if a fire in a major metro area - I’d like to think the first thing is have water - infrastructure that can handle water .
Next qualified firefighters.
Then clear the tinder dead brush.
Control burns and fire breaks
They have or have done none of those things .
No water tanks filled with DEI fat dykes and dummies . So like other places where DEI and anti white racism has taken over most or all worth a fuck left - got fired or were never hired .
So I’ll stand by the statement- no one there seems to have any fucking idea how to stop or prevent the next one .
None of this has anything to do with Mexicans helping, or people not knowing how to fight it.
California is retarded as a whole and don’t get me started on the water shit, but you’re just as retarded as you imagine everyone else with this dumbass thread based on your admitted ZERO experience
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There was literally just a local news report on the number of Oregon personnel and equipment sent south and a description of the safety checks they are given which do not include any smog/emissions testing whatsoever.
All I can say is if I have to hand cut miles of fire line, and there’s a group to pick from I’d probably choose a bunch of the Mexican national volunteers who chose to come help. I grew up working with Mexicans they dig like mother fuckers
It only caught my attention because it was directly addressing the rumor that equipment was being refused for air quality concerns. It basically said they are inspecting to make sure the equipment survived the transit from wherever and then being dispatched in a coordinated way, in an effort to maintain some kind of operational control.
10 years between USFS and CDF and another 5 in a Rural Vol. FD. No two fires have been the same, be it Wilderness Area, Wildland, Urban interface, or structure. California, Idaho, Nevada, Montana, and Oregon; Desert, Alpine, Timber, and variations/blends of terrain. Engine Crew and Hand Crew. I wouldn’t trade the experiences and places I’ve seen, but my body sure tells me about it.
200 foot flame front that is wind and terrain driven will make you a believer in a higher power.
Back to the topic at hand. Fuels Reduction, proper water delivery systems in place and MAINTAINED, building codes that address LOCAL conditions, and REAL leadership are all key. How many of these were checked off?
In my AO, Tribal Members and long term Families talked about lighting fires in the LATE Autum to clear out under story fuels and promote grasses and forbes growth for game and livestock graze. It also helped keep fuel loads down. This also didn’t account for the natural (lightning) fires that helped keep fuel loads down. Now we put every smoke out and do nothing about decadent and dead vegetation, then wonder why fires are so catastrophic.
We now have ”leadership” that wants to “save” the planet and has NO clue about the natural cycles, self interest (except their own), and how to get different groups to WORK TOGETHER! They have been goose stepping us into this for many years.
@OREGUN and @akmike47 that is my bad, the info that I saw was leaning towards the CARB side of things. I should have vetted it first. Still, during my careers, I haven’t seen safety checks on the way TO an incident, only on Demobilization.
OTH California Regulations/wishes are totally bogus. I can’t do my job without Diesel/IC engines including getting to the job sites, let alone getting anything done. All electric has its place, but not the rural areas of a state as big as California. Some jobs need IC engines until something better is PROVEN!
These rose colored glasses wearing people need a hard dose of reality and These fires are one!
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Now that sounds like a qualified and experienced opinion. And I agree. The fire management philosophy of years past doesn’t seem to hold up in the modern world and is desperately in need of updating. It will require all of the things you mention. Leadership, a re-interpretation of fuel reduction/management, building code updates, a campaign, much like Smokey the Bear and Woodsy Owl, to re-shape the public understanding of the wildland-urban interface, a re-consideration of priorities and home-owner risk tolerance, etc. I’m not sure about the water distribution piece. As I’m sure you well know, water doesn’t really put out wildfires unless it falls from the sky…in which case it’s usually temperatures and humidity levels which really put it out. And hydrants in communities can’t really flow the water needed to directly attack a blocks-wide fire driven by even 40 mph winds. It’s a mess. Oregon in 2020, Colorado in 2022, California, repeatedly. Old assumptions about fire behavior, risk, and prevention are just flat wrong and no one anywhere has any idea how to stop fires like those. But to suggest that the solution is to have more available surface water, a legion of “qualified firefighters” who are all (most importantly not dykes!) straight white men, or brush clearing mandates is just not accurate.
10 years between USFS and CDF and another 5 in a Rural Vol. FD. No two fires have been the same, be it Wilderness Area, Wildland, Urban interface, or structure. California, Idaho, Nevada, Montana, and Oregon; Desert, Alpine, Timber, and variations/blends of terrain. Engine Crew and Hand Crew. I wouldn’t trade the experiences and places I’ve seen, but my body sure tells me about it.
200 foot flame front that is wind and terrain driven will make you a believer in a higher power.
Back to the topic at hand. Fuels Reduction, proper water delivery systems in place and MAINTAINED, building codes that address LOCAL conditions, and REAL leadership are all key. How many of these were checked off?
In my AO, Tribal Members and long term Families talked about lighting fires in the LATE Autum to clear out under story fuels and promote grasses and forbes growth for game and livestock graze. It also helped keep fuel loads down. This also didn’t account for the natural (lightning) fires that helped keep fuel loads down. Now we put every smoke out and do nothing about decadent and dead vegetation, then wonder why fires are so catastrophic.
We now have ”leadership” that wants to “save” the planet and has NO clue about the natural cycles, self interest (except their own), and how to get different groups to WORK TOGETHER! They have been goose stepping us into this for many years.
“water doesn’t really put out wildfires unless it falls from the sky…in which case it’s usually temperatures and humidity levels which really put it out.”
I didn’t mention this because I figured I’d get roasted for allegedly agreeing with cali. It’s stupid for them not to have water reserves for any reason and someone should be held accountable for them not having a large reserve. Shit save 1 house with it and it’s something at least.
My neighborhood is required, as a condition of our well permits, to maintain several large ponds as a remedy for the downstream water rights holders. A nice side effect is that if it ever comes time to dip a bucket, the helicopters wont have to go far. I’m not arguing for the draining of those ponds.
If my house was not where it is, I’d have a swimming pool and a large water tank/cistern for that reason alone!My neighborhood is required, as a condition of our well permits, to maintain several large ponds as a remedy for the downstream water rights holders. A nice side effect is that if it ever comes time to dip a bucket, the helicopters wont have to go far. I’m not arguing for the draining of those ponds.
Right now the hydrant at the corner of my property is out of service due to failure (50 years old). ALL municipalities NEED to be constantly repairing/upgrading the infrastructure, be it water, sewer, electrical, gas, or communications. We are PAYING YOU for the basics of life and Safety. Honor the contract!
Obviously the sense of urgency and common sense is overriding all of newsome's bullshit.
Ripe for conquest. If I were a world class asshole instead of a regular one, it's what I'd do.
I'll go so far as to say that these fires are the poster children examples that they should be learning from.
And, it ain't lookin' good.
Check some recent news articles in Cali where they are tearing down dams. Actually dams being removed in Pacific Northwest too I believe. Dams and reservoirs are/have interfered with fish breeding and migration. Environmentalist on the left have pushed for the removal of dams for a long time. Cali gonna keep burning .
Exactly my point
10 years between USFS and CDF and another 5 in a Rural Vol. FD. No two fires have been the same, be it Wilderness Area, Wildland, Urban interface, or structure. California, Idaho, Nevada, Montana, and Oregon; Desert, Alpine, Timber, and variations/blends of terrain. Engine Crew and Hand Crew. I wouldn’t trade the experiences and places I’ve seen, but my body sure tells me about it.
200 foot flame front that is wind and terrain driven will make you a believer in a higher power.
Back to the topic at hand. Fuels Reduction, proper water delivery systems in place and MAINTAINED, building codes that address LOCAL conditions, and REAL leadership are all key. How many of these were checked off?
In my AO, Tribal Members and long term Families talked about lighting fires in the LATE Autum to clear out under story fuels and promote grasses and forbes growth for game and livestock graze. It also helped keep fuel loads down. This also didn’t account for the natural (lightning) fires that helped keep fuel loads down. Now we put every smoke out and do nothing about decadent and dead vegetation, then wonder why fires are so catastrophic.
We now have ”leadership” that wants to “save” the planet and has NO clue about the natural cycles, self interest (except their own), and how to get different groups to WORK TOGETHER! They have been goose stepping us into this for many years.
Lifelong warshtonian here. Yes, two dams were removed. The Glines Canyon dam and the Elwha dam. Both of them were built at the turn of the 20th century to provide power for the pulp and paper mills in Port Angeles. Those mills closed decades ago, so the dams really were no longer serving a purpose. The power needs were/are being served via imported power/transmission lines from sources further down the Olympic Peninsula.
Port Angeles isn't a heavy Industrial town anymore, other than support/maintenance for the fishing and logging industries, which don't require a lot of power.
I'm a recreational fisherman and the idea of restoring the salmon runs is very attractive to me (but not at the expense of those communities that rely on that power (which they didn't/don't)). I'm not generally friendly towards environmentalists, particularly with their "give me an inch and I'll take a mile" approach to things.
But, in the case of these two dams in warshington state, I was kind of glad to see them go. They were removed for the right reasons.
Port Angeles isn't a heavy Industrial town anymore, other than support/maintenance for the fishing and logging industries, which don't require a lot of power.
I'm a recreational fisherman and the idea of restoring the salmon runs is very attractive to me (but not at the expense of those communities that rely on that power (which they didn't/don't)). I'm not generally friendly towards environmentalists, particularly with their "give me an inch and I'll take a mile" approach to things.
But, in the case of these two dams in warshington state, I was kind of glad to see them go. They were removed for the right reasons.
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Californians 'angry' amid devastating wildfires, asking where high tax dollars went: local researcher
A Los Angeles County resident and research fellow says locals are wondering what their tax dollars are going toward as officials struggle to contain devastating wildfires.
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So as of today - fires still buring that can be seen from space . Power failure- electric truck failures water failures, 1/5 of the agreed upon amount dead understory removed .
Still seeing a bunch of brown dykes running the show - still not seeing any water flowing .
I guess I rushed to judgement and everything is fine before and during the fire everything was smooth and everyone gets a fucking trophy for participation.
If only the CA residents paid extortionate fees and taxes then I’m sure there would have been money equipment and resources to deal with - another fire that happens every fucking year
I think CA has a forestry management problem. When fires get that big there isn't much can be done but just watch the show at that point. I am almost 50 so my memory goes back to the 80s till now and I don't recall as a kid in the 80s CA ever having fires the way they do now.
I admittedly know nothing of firefighting except it’s dangerous as hell - especially these wildfires. A few of those videos posted here demonstrates how quickly it can hit the fan. With that said, you answered a question I had. I’ve been wondering to myself…if they really want to put those fires out they need a LOT more planes dumping water because a fire hose just cannot put out that quantity of water and as you said lower the temp and raise the humidity in the dump location. I can see firehoses and trenches as prevention and a slowing down/containment technique if one is content with letting it burn out. Where houses/businesses are en masse, that’s not really an option - I guess for normal folks, not Pretty Boy with aviators and his moot mayor.
Hence my earlier comment on the DC-10 and 747 approach to dumping. Seems reasonable to dump a shit ton of stuff; but then again, it also seems to be more of a cost/benefit to have those crop dusters flying all over which are designed for low altitude flying in the first place. I Just don’t understand why we as taxpayers don’t demand at the state or federal level for more airborne firefighting equipment. One or two crop duster planes cost a hell of a lot less than all these non-essential programs like building gymnasiums, soccer fields, baseball/softball parks , concert amphitheaters - while those are nice they should not have priority over the basics (sort of like Justine Bateman said).
Or, better yet, contract out a service that has planes and make it work via capitalism!!!
Out of curiosity has Mother Nature started her reclamation?
I’m curious. When I went to Yosemite, which IMO is one of the most amazing areas in the world, I was told that Hetch Hetchy was even more beautiful. I didn’t go over there and would imagine you’d have to have a boat. But they’ve been trying to get that dam removed for years and at 100+ years old and in the Republic of Disrepair, maybe it’s time. That’s about the only dam I can see as removal MAY Be a good thing from a Mother Nature perspective - but no water then for the Bay Area. Perhaps there are others as you said that affect the salmon run and sockeye salmon is good stuff!!
Also, one should be able to engage arsonists as enemy targets that need interdiction.
Los Angeles wildfires death toll rises to 16 as Gavin Newsom faces new firefighting funding scrutiny
California authorities have confirmed a new death toll of 16 as wildfires continue to rage around Los Angeles on Sunday. Meanwhile, Gov. Gavin Newsom is facing criticism for approving a budget that slashed $100 million in firefighting and fire prevention funding.
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Nope not water or quality candidates or understory mitigation- equity in hiring was the driving force - publicly stated .
So any who stayed on knew what the deal was .
Now I have 0 experience fighting fired in LA basin BUT I’d never had guessed that DEI hiring was the sure fire way to go about preparing for the annual fire season - fire season cause it happens every year.
Couple this with the LA fire chief saying the most important thing was being rescued by someone that looks like you , black brown and gay lbgqlmnop. Guess I’ll just have to go with the experts and not criticize.
